Few managers in the history of the game have worked under more extreme circumstances than Moyes has this season.
It appears appointing Moyes was the Glazers' best ever move.
As for the "then what?" part, we'll need divine intervention when the next management faces a mini-crisis, "losing the dressing room" in the process. Just read Ogden reporting about the furious bunch of Cleverley, Young and Welbeck after they were disciplined for partying last week. It's about time the manager loses confidence in some of his players, and he needs the summer to show them exactly that. Could you imagine replacing a manager before getting rid of Cleverley, Young, Nani et al?
Blaming Moyes for this awful season is obviously the easiest practice, but it's quite obvious that even the most vocal anit-Moyes posters don't have a fecking clue what to do next. van Gaal? Are you serious? nevermind the mention Giggs, Solskjaer and CQ (???) are getting...I recall people even suggesting Cantona after one of our many defeats this season...
For 3/4's of the season the press have wrapped him in cotton-wool.Few managers in the history of the game have worked under more extreme circumstances than Moyes has this season.
What are these extreme circumstances? I am genuinely interested to know what about our club/situation was so extreme that apart from Moyes no other manager has had to deal with. Obviously following SAF is one thing but apart from that I cannot think of anything else.
The press have given him a free pass for most of the season and the players are taking the most flak. Injuries to key players are part and parcel of the game. Nothing new there.
For 3/4's of the season the press have wrapped him in cotton-wool.
Yes, that's the thing I was referring to. That small issue. No manager could replicate what SAF did here, particularly with the dross and mutiple perma-crocked individuals we currently have in the squad. Personally I'd take Moyes and a long-term plan offering future stability than a quick-fix van Gaal tenure that may give us better short-term chances of top 4. Do you want a manager who'll be busy this summer with the WC to prepare us for next season? Does anyone think that van Gaal would be interested in the club's success beyond his short stint here?
so if we are this shite at Christmas next season...languishing (taking the results from christmas onwards this season) in 10/11th position, you would be quite happy to continue with the Moyes plan? Not criticising, just genuninely interested...
Yes, that's the thing I was referring to. That small issue. No manager could replicate what SAF did here, particularly with the dross and mutiple perma-crocked individuals we currently have in the squad. Personally I'd take Moyes and a long-term plan offering future stability than a quick-fix van Gaal tenure that may give us better short-term chances of top 4. Do you want a manager who'll be busy this summer with the WC to prepare us for next season? Does anyone think that van Gaal would be interested in the club's success beyond his short stint here?
Yeah, because Moyes is doing such a sterling job that we know he is the answer to helping us stabilize the club once again and take it forward towards glory. Regarding the statement about the "dross and mutiple perma-crocked individuals we currently have in the squad", it is the same shite which really pisses me off. No one here claims we should be walking the league and winning the CL. But this squad is infinitely better than what we have shown this season and the only change from last season to this is the change of guard in the manager's position. So I will attribute it to Moyes not being capable enough of getting the best out of our players.
His non-stop rant of how we are not good enough, before the season even started, was mind-numbingly stupid. As a manager myself I can absolutely assure you, you cannot deride your team/sub-ordinates in public, let alone in the media, and expect them to work hard for the cause.
He'll be sacked after the fourth place finish becomes mathematically impossible or after the season's end. There is no way back for him.
Yeah, because Moyes is doing such a sterling job that we know he is the answer to helping us stabilize the club once again and take it forward towards glory. Regarding the statement about the "dross and mutiple perma-crocked individuals we currently have in the squad", it is the same shite which really pisses me off. No one here claims we should be walking the league and winning the CL. But this squad is infinitely better than what we have shown this season and the only change from last season to this is the change of guard in the manager's position. So I will attribute it to Moyes not being capable enough of getting the best out of our players.
His non-stop rant of how we are not good enough, before the season even started, was mind-numbingly stupid. As a manager myself I can absolutely assure you, you cannot deride your team/sub-ordinates in public, let alone in the media, and expect them to work hard for the cause.
You want to play good attacking football with Rooney, van Persie, Mata, Kagawa, Nani and Januzaj? You need better players to do that. Spend spend spend.
But still none of the top clubs even considered him when they were started to look for new managers end of last season or even before that. Except one club that is.Moyes was highly rated in England.
Few managers in the history of the game have worked under more extreme circumstances than Moyes has this season.
But still none of the top clubs even considered him when they were started to look for new managers end of last season or even before that. Except one club that is.
And lots of managers have been highly rated before, and failed miserably when they have taken on jobs that are too big for them.
Excuses. This is Manchester United. And lots of managrs have worked under pressures like this. It's called managing a top club.
Managing Real Madrid or Barcelona is actually more difficult, Ferguson's ghost or not. You don't get to have the final say in transfers, fans won't tolerate bad results so pressure is on you all the time and you won't be passed as successful if you merely finish 4th - they want trophies over there.
Moyes has had a free pass here. He inherited a title winning team full of young talented players and was allowed to spend around £100m to improve it (we had the money to buy Herrera and Coentrao only he didn't spend it) and people would have been happy with a decent top 4 finish while playing okay football. He has brought all the pressure upon himself by failing to unbelievable extents. Mind you he's still being clapped onto the field by matchgoing fans, it's a wonderful job to have where you are constantly praised and people believe in you even though you are absolutely inept.
It's anyone but Moyes at this stage.
If there's no top manager available, then I'd be willing to try Solskjær as a temporary solution(and long term should he succeed). The way I see it, Solskjær and Moyes are polar opposites. Solskjær is in charge of a crappy team, but tries to implement a style of football that suits a top team. He's too ambitious and adventurous for his own good, and thus he's in danger of being relegated. He's just not good at playing to "survive". He's always had a lot of financial backing and natural winners around him, whether it's for the United reserves or for Molde in Norway.
In United, Solskjær would be welcomed with open arms from the players, seeing as he's a legend. And he wouldn't try to grind results. He'd expect our players to attack with purpose and confidence, just the way Fergie intended. You might think that it's a risk, but really, is it more of a risk than it was for Barca to hire Pep? At least Solskjær already has a lot of experience as a manager. And we're already as far down as a team of our skill can possibly get, so it's not like Solskjær would make things worse.
Klopp is my first choice, but if he's not available, then I say we go for Solskjær.
It's already mathematically impossible.
