If Moyes Gets Sacked - Then What??

  • What managers do you realistically think would be in contention for the job?
    - De Boer would be my first pick, followed by Gaal/Biesla.
  • What manager do you want? - If your choice is unavailable this year, then what?
    I want Klopp as everyone else, or Simeone. If not, then De Boer.
  • Would Sir Alex/Sir Bobby have a big say in the next appointment?
    - I don't know, and i don't give a shit, as long as it's a good choice.
  • If they had a say, would some managers be out of the question because of it?
    - Only one we know is Mourinho, because Charlton didn't like him.
  • If the rumours are true, Moyes has some transfers pretty much settled waiting for the summer. Would a sacking Moyes void these?
    - I don't care about Moyes plans for the next transfer window, he could buy Vidal, Kroos, Messi, Ronaldo, Silva and Varane for all i care, he should still be fired - even if we had to settle for Osman instead of them.
  • If we strengthened in the summer, where would another manager take us to in the league/cups?
    - At least top 4, at the very very least. Third should actually be a minimum. And way better (modern) football.
  • If we strengthened in the summer, what would you consider the minimum requirements as they may still need time to get used to the Premier League and the current team?
    - See above.
 
Mad Winger said:
Like Pep did?

It's a matter of mentality, charisma and backing, imo. Tactics and experience are important, but ultimately you need to inspire the players and have the guts to attack. I see no better candidate than Solskjær for that job right now. He's a proven winner, currently stuck in a situation he's not suited for. He's not suited for small teams that are struggling for survival. It's just not his game. Moyes would be perfect for the Cardiff job.
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Pep was part of the setup within the club. Massive difference IMO. Ole is only in consideration as part of some romantic notion fans have with former players. Bring him on as an assistant and let him learn from a top class manager for a few season, then give him the keys to the Ferrari.
 
The title of this thread really needs to change. The question is 'If Moyes DOES NOT get sacked - Then What??'. There has to come a time when the people that made this club, the supporters, eventually force the board's hand. The man has to go. He is not a Manchester United manager. He is to our management as Liam Miller was to our midfield.
 
then what?! who cares what its better than this fecking dogshit
 
MrMarcello said:
Pep was part of the setup within the club. Massive difference IMO. Ole is only in consideration as part of some romantic notion fans have with former players. Bring him on as an assistant and let him learn from a top class manager for a few season, then give him the keys to the Ferrari.
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Solskjær retired in 2006 and then immediately took over the reserves. He could easily have stayed and remained a part of the club, but he took 3 years in Norway and brought home 2 domestic league titles and a domestic cup title for a team that had never won the league before. In those 3 years, not much had changed in United. Solskjær still knew a lot of the backroom staff and not to mention: the players. Solskjær still refers to Fergie as "The Boss", and he still occasionally calls him to ask for advice.

It's hardly just a "romantic notion". Solskjær knows the club, knows the players, knows the mentality, and he has proven himself as coach and a winner. It's a risk, but at this stage it can hardly get worse. It's definitely worth a try.
 
Just rid of him, he's a cancer to our team. The longer he stays, the longer it'll take before we reverse the depth towards mediocrity he's driven us into.
 
MkPaul said:
So lets say we wake up in the morning to find Moyes has been sacked and will be replaced before the summer transfer window. The question is, where do we go from there?

I appreciate some fans still support Moyes, not many I know, but whether you like him or not, how would we proceed if he were to be sacked?

  • What managers do you realistically think would be in contention for the job?
  • What manager do you want? - If your choice is unavailable this year, then what?
  • Would Sir Alex/Sir Bobby have a big say in the next appointment?
  • If they had a say, would some managers be out of the question because of it?
  • If the rumours are true, Moyes has some transfers pretty much settled waiting for the summer. Would a sacking Moyes void these?
  • If we strengthened in the summer, where would another manager take us to in the league/cups?
  • If we strengthened in the summer, what would you consider the minimum requirements as they may still need time to get used to the Premier League and the current team?

I resisted making a poll, go me.
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Here's an answer

Stop fecking citing there's no realistic manager we can sign, we can sign practically any manager (bar the obvious morally fanatical Klopp, Pep) if we really wanted them, show them we mean business, hell i'm sure as feck we can get Martinez if we really wanted him (whether or not we wanted him is another issue)

2nd feck sir Bobby and with all due respect SAF should just leave this appointment out and let Glazers do this from a business PoV, enough scottish atittude shits.

3rd Any manager with a "PROVEN" CV and tough as nail bastards who can shook this bunch of fannies around

4rd I'd rather a new manager with his sets of target than the dithering dave list, he scouted half Europe to come out with Fellaini and Mata, a player he sees every week at the EPL. Scouting master my arse

5rd How the feck do I know where the new manager's gonna take us? And how is that point valid, you're asking us to be nostradamus? You don't even add "think" in that questions

6th Top 4 is a bare minimum, as always. Enough of this excuses of need time, transition and all that mumbo jumbo crap. WE have been making compromise so far, all we ask is 4th, I call that very fecking reasonable.
 
What managers do you realistically think would be in contention for the job?
Klopp, Ancelotti, Van Gaal, Quieroz

What manager do you want? - If your choice is unavailable this year, then what?
Klopp - If Ancellotti does not win a trophy this year he may get sacked by Real.

Would Sir Alex/Sir Bobby have a big say in the next appointment?
Yes - the Glazers have not involved themselves in the football side of things, they will need to take advice and Fergie and Sir Bobby are paid to do just that.

If they had a say, would some managers be out of the question because of it?
With Fergie involved in the decision, clearly Rafa Benitez would be out of the running.

If the rumours are true, Moyes has some transfers pretty much settled waiting for the summer. Would a sacking Moyes void these?
The club should be talking to their preferred candidate now. If we source a top manager who is accustomed to buying elite level players he should be able to tell Woodward immediately who to bring in.

If we strengthened in the summer, where would another manager take us to in the league/cups?
Liverpool will find it harder next year with the CL, Chelsea and City have their frailties. The title is up for grabs, but if we make significant changes to the squad and management, we may need time for it all to gel.

If we strengthened in the summer, what would you consider the minimum requirements as they may still need time to get used to the Premier League and the current team?
With a new manager and new players needing time to settle, we may get off to a slow start. Minimum should be a top four place with a strong showing in the second half of the season to suggest that a title bid the following season is a realistic possibility.
 
We only think we need to spend £200m because Moyes has spent the last 10 months telling us how crap the squad is. A decent manager would get a decent position from this squad, so a left back, cb and cm are the major focus areas, sounds like shaw is almost sorted, so the new man may only have cb/cm to sort (in the short term), not a major issue for a half decent manager, lets face it Moyes picked his players by seeing which players the press have as flavour of the month.

As long as we have interviews for candidates and actually consider hows coming in, i can't see that they can be any worse than david moyes.
 
Is it worth mentioning that der Kaiser has been moaning about Pep's football at Bayern? He even said he'd leave if Bayern weren't happy with him.
 
1) Klopp
2) Simeone
3) Ancelotti
4) VG
5) De Boer
 
...send a pager to Klopp and Simeone and see what happens.

Doubt the United hierarchy would do that though. It would be again a British manager.
 
Mad Winger said:
Like Pep did?

It's a matter of mentality, charisma and backing, imo. Tactics and experience are important, but ultimately you need to inspire the players and have the guts to attack. I see no better candidate than Solskjær for that job right now. He's a proven winner, currently stuck in a situation he's not suited for. He's not suited for small teams that are struggling for survival. It's just not his game. Moyes would be perfect for the Cardiff job.
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We're doomed if its Ole. He's "not suited for" a top english job either
 
I don't have a replacement's name. But let's look at things. David Dein did his homework and 'discovered' Wenger (not that he was a completely unknown, but he was in England). Liverpool did their homework and ended up choosing between Martinez and Rodgers. Abramovich in 2004 just went and brought the hottest young manager around. And Dortmund didn't exactly sign Klopp after he's won the CL.

Options will be there if you work at it. Which we haven't done the first time around.
 
CantonaGiggs1 said:
I know what you mean, but there are many people who are willing to let Moyes continue if we can't find the "right" person to replace him right now. What we need to do immediately is get rid of the person that is causing us damage. Anyone in an interim bases would be better than allowing Moyes' destruction to continue.
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Yeah, and what does letting him continue despite not having the club's trust mean? We partially back him in the transfer market? Give him all the family jewell's because he's the manager? Back him or sack him, there's nothing in between. And if you don't believe in him, he should be off.
 
This isn't a situation for a young firebrand manager, it's a situation for an experienced, top class manager. Someone who's seen it all before and knows how to rebuild and reinvigorate a shattered team.

The only obvious candidate in that respect at the moment is Van Gaal.
 
Amir said:
Yeah, and what does letting him continue despite not having the club's trust mean? We partially back him in the transfer market? Give him all the family jewell's because he's the manager? Back him or sack him, there's nothing in between. And if you don't believe in him, he should be off.
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I think you'll find, rightly or wrongly, he'll be gone at the end of the season. I think yesterday may well be the final straw for the Glazers.
 
Rednotdead said:
I think you'll find, rightly or wrongly, he'll be gone at the end of the season. I think yesterday may well be the final straw for the Glazers.
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Well, I hope so but I don't know what to think as it's a first time experience for us with the Glazers. Sometimes people would feel Moyes is on the brink after a defeat, but a few days pass and moods change. If we win the three games remaining, maybe people will feel we're finishing on a high and that those are good signs for Moyes.

Decision on the manager should have been made by now. Yesterday's game just made it clear there will be no CL football for us next season, possible even EL football. It hasn't really changed much. I'd like to think the Glazers are a bit deeper than that.
 
MkPaul said:
So lets say we wake up in the morning to find Moyes has been sacked and will be replaced before the summer transfer window. The question is, where do we go from there?

I appreciate some fans still support Moyes, not many I know, but whether you like him or not, how would we proceed if he were to be sacked?

  • What managers do you realistically think would be in contention for the job?
  • What manager do you want? - If your choice is unavailable this year, then what?
  • Would Sir Alex/Sir Bobby have a big say in the next appointment?
  • If they had a say, would some managers be out of the question because of it?
  • If the rumours are true, Moyes has some transfers pretty much settled waiting for the summer. Would a sacking Moyes void these?
  • If we strengthened in the summer, where would another manager take us to in the league/cups?
  • If we strengthened in the summer, what would you consider the minimum requirements as they may still need time to get used to the Premier League and the current team?

I resisted making a poll, go me.
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  • What managers do you realistically think would be in contention for the job?
Van Gaal. Ancelotti a long shot if he fails to win Liga and/or CL and the Madrid circus sack him
  • What manager do you want? - If your choice is unavailable this year, then what?
Klopp or Guardiola. Funny because my favourite is Mourinho but it doesn't look a good match. If Moyes is getting sacked and preferred choices are not available, then have Van Gaal as short term replacement, for couple of years.
  • Would Sir Alex/Sir Bobby have a big say in the next appointment?
Yes, they will.
  • If they had a say, would some managers be out of the question because of it?
Maybe Mourinho because of Sir Bobby. Otherwise I doubt.
  • If the rumours are true, Moyes has some transfers pretty much settled waiting for the summer. Would a sacking Moyes void these?
No, they shouldn't.
  • If we strengthened in the summer, where would another manager take us to in the league/cups?
League we can make top 4 if we strengthen in CM (2 proper CMs) with addition of a LB.
  • If we strengthened in the summer, what would you consider the minimum requirements as they may still need time to get used to the Premier League and the current team?
Top 4 will be immediate requirement in league. Looks unlikely that we will be playing any cup in Europe (unless Spurs slip up and we get Europa spot). Winning a domestic trophy will be bonus but it doesn't matter much at the moment.
 
Bojan11 said:
Fergie and Van Gaal are friends.
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As are Fergie and Mourinho but it didn't stop us erring on the side of caution thanks to his publicity seeking ways. Van Gaal is far from a shrinking violet yes man.
 
I've woken up, walked the dog, had breakfast and he still hasn't been sacked.

Oh well, there's always tomorrow...
 
Amir said:
Well, I hope so but I don't know what to think as it's a first time experience for us with the Glazers. Sometimes people would feel Moyes is on the brink after a defeat, but a few days pass and moods change. If we win the three games remaining, maybe people will feel we're finishing on a high and that those are good signs for Moyes.

Decision on the manager should have been made by now. Yesterday's game just made it clear there will be no CL football for us next season, possible even EL football. It hasn't really changed much. I'd like to think the Glazers are a bit deeper than that.
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Yes, the Glazers will make any decision on the basis of effect on revenue and profitability. Missing out on CL and most probably EL will affect that, however there is also the club's image and profile to consider as regards sponsors. Yesterday wasn't just a defeat, it was a humiliation and sponsors will not like their name associated with that.

I'll be very surprised if the Glazers don't think it's too much of a gamble to let him continue past the end of the season.
 
Once Moyes is sacked, United should throw everything at Klopp and see if he can be tempted to leave Dortmund for United. I don't think personal wages would really tempt him, but a huge transfer budget and total control over signings may yet tempt him away.

If it becomes clear that Klopp is not interested, then the board need to swallow their pride and go after Martinez. He truly is a smart manager who can adapt at a club like United. He is progressive and can handle the situation at United. He was my third choice initially after Klopp and Blance once i heard that Fergie was retiring.
 
  • What managers do you realistically think would be in contention for the job?
I'm fairly certain Van Gaal has been lobbying for the job. He may be a nutter but he's great for rebuilding teams and getting them back to the top bar his second stint at Barcelona anomaly. He's prolonging the decision over Spurs so there might be something there. De Boer would be an outside choice though he still has a couple of year of learning to do. Managing Ajax and United is a totally different ball-game. We can't make the same mistake twice. So Van Gaal seems the safest bet. We need a steady hand to right the ship. He may implode in due time but by then our foundations would have been reinforced for a younger man to take over the job.
  • What manager do you want? - If your choice is unavailable this year, then what?
Ideally we should narrow it down to two of the best young managers around. United should move heaven and earth to sign either one but even that might prove to be insufficient - they seem content at their current clubs and might not want to move for the time being. Cholo Simeone would be a fantastic option - he's a winner and a marvellous tactician. The football his team plays may be agricultural at times. But like Jose of old, he gets the job done. I doubt he'd want to move so soon. He has a good thing going on in Atletico and he has deep connections with them from his playing days. Klopp is the other even more unlikely one. Every United fan seems to have a mancrush over him but he is contractually bound till 2018. Anything is possible in football as they say but he's a man of his word and will look to honour his contract. Come 2018 I'm fairly certain he'll move on. Though the competition for his signature might be very intense so... That's why I think it would suit us best to employ Van Gaal, give him 2-3 years to buy good players, put in a clear philosophy and restore our confidence. Then we can move on to maybe Pep whose time at Bayern might be over or the likes of Simeone/ Klopp.
  • Would Sir Alex/Sir Bobby have a big say in the next appointment?
Of course they would. I'm sure they've realized that we chose Moyes for the wrong non-footballing reasons and the next guy should have a solid CV. I remember Gill stating that Fergie's successor would be an experienced coach with a winning record. Somewhere along the lines that sentiment was lost. Gill should be a part of the committee too and we should complete all due diligence before selecting a new manager, if that's the case.
  • If they had a say, would some managers be out of the question because of it?
No. I don't think so. Mourinho was a special case before Sir Bobby loathed him. But I don't foresee any such issues with the other available managers we could employ.
  • If the rumours are true, Moyes has some transfers pretty much settled waiting for the summer. Would a sacking Moyes void these?
No. We should continue to monitor those players. But the new manager should have the final say over signing them.
  • If we strengthened in the summer, where would another manager take us to in the league/cups?
Certainly, it should all be about damage limitation now. I think Moyes is a good manager but United is not his level. There's a consensus among Everton fans that although he did a good job, he stagnated took them as far as he could. If he's not the man to take Everton foward (no disrespect) then he's absolutely not the man to improve United. A new guy like Van Gaal would probably get us a domestic cup and maybe even have a run in for the title. The title contenders this season are really not as great as they've made out to be. Barring City, I don't think we have a significantly worse squad than Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal or even Everton and Tottenham. Yet we're behind all of them - yes even Spurs with their AVB/ Sherwood fiasco. Feel dirty just thinking about it.
  • If we strengthened in the summer, what would you consider the minimum requirements as they may still need time to get used to the Premier League and the current team?
Top 3 at the very least would be my personal expectation. Heck even if we narrowly miss out on that objective but qualify for the Champion's League while playing good football and having a clear plan - I'll view it as significant progress. Our players are not as bad as they've been made out to be and David really should stop undermining them. They're still the reigning champions of England. They didn't just collectively get poor overnight.
 
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MkPaul said:
What managers do you realistically think would be in contention for the job?
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Given that an appointment wouldn't need to be made before the end of the season, I think nobody is off-limits, albeit some are more realistic than others.

MkPaul said:
What manager do you want? - If your choice is unavailable this year, then what?
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Jurgen Klopp. If he is unavailable we keep throwing money at him and Dortmund. If he is still unavailable then we could just use a cardboard cut-out of Ferguson and it would still be an upgrade on Moyes.

MkPaul said:
Would Sir Alex/Sir Bobby have a big say in the next appointment?
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As board members, they'd get an input. They would not hand-pick them like they did with Moyes.

MkPaul said:
If they had a say, would some managers be out of the question because of it?
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Mourinho probably, but then I doubt he'd come this summer anyway.

MkPaul said:
If the rumours are true, Moyes has some transfers pretty much settled waiting for the summer. Would a sacking Moyes void these?
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No. Unless the player desperately, desperately wanted to play for David Moyes and wouldn't care which club he was at. Which I doubt.

MkPaul said:
If we strengthened in the summer, where would another manager take us to in the league/cups?
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Any half-decent manager should be able to better this season.

MkPaul said:
If we strengthened in the summer, what would you consider the minimum requirements as they may still need time to get used to the Premier League and the current team?
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The minimum requirements for me would be unaltered. I would expect Manchester United to be in the top 4 every season. Failure to do that makes that manager not good enough, unless there are extreme circumstances. None of which apply to Moyes.
 
Sky1981 said:
Here's an answer

Stop fecking citing there's no realistic manager we can sign, we can sign practically any manager (bar the obvious morally fanatical Klopp, Pep) if we really wanted them, show them we mean business, hell i'm sure as feck we can get Martinez if we really wanted him (whether or not we wanted him is another issue)

2nd feck sir Bobby and with all due respect SAF should just leave this appointment out and let Glazers do this from a business PoV, enough scottish atittude shits.

3rd Any manager with a "PROVEN" CV and tough as nail bastards who can shook this bunch of fannies around

4rd I'd rather a new manager with his sets of target than the dithering dave list, he scouted half Europe to come out with Fellaini and Mata, a player he sees every week at the EPL. Scouting master my arse

5rd How the feck do I know where the new manager's gonna take us? And how is that point valid, you're asking us to be nostradamus? You don't even add "think" in that questions

6th Top 4 is a bare minimum, as always. Enough of this excuses of need time, transition and all that mumbo jumbo crap. WE have been making compromise so far, all we ask is 4th, I call that very fecking reasonable.
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It appears appointing Moyes was the Glazers' best ever move.

As for the "then what?" part, we'll need divine intervention when the next management faces a mini-crisis, "losing the dressing room" in the process. Just read Ogden reporting about the furious bunch of Cleverley, Young and Welbeck after they were disciplined for partying last week. It's about time the manager loses confidence in some of his players, and he needs the summer to show them exactly that. Could you imagine replacing a manager before getting rid of Cleverley, Young, Nani et al?

Blaming Moyes for this awful season is obviously the easiest practice, but it's quite obvious that even the most vocal anit-Moyes posters don't have a fecking clue what to do next. van Gaal? Are you serious? nevermind the mention Giggs, Solskjaer and CQ (???) are getting...I recall people even suggesting Cantona after one of our many defeats this season...
 
A1X said:
The minimum requirements for me would be unaltered. I would expect Manchester United to be in the top 4 every season. Failure to do that makes that manager not good enough, unless there are extreme circumstances. None of which apply to Moyes.
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Few managers in the history of the game have worked under more extreme circumstances than Moyes has this season.
 
holyland red said:
Few managers in the history of the game have worked under more extreme circumstances than Moyes has this season.
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Being manager of Manchester United is a tough job. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
 
These days you either have to find a good youngish, upcoming manager lke Martinez, Rodgers or even Klopp, or hire one of the merry-go-round experienced successful managers like Mourinho, Ancelotti, Hiddink etc. You don't hire a guy neither young nor successful and hope he learns on the job. If Moyes goes we need to just go with one of those routes, that's how the game is now no matter how different we like to think we are.
 
holyland red said:
It appears appointing Moyes was the Glazers' best ever move.

As for the "then what?" part, we'll need divine intervention when the next management faces a mini-crisis, "losing the dressing room" in the process. Just read Ogden reporting about the furious bunch of Cleverley, Young and Welbeck after they were disciplined for partying last week. It's about time the manager loses confidence in some of his players, and he needs the summer to show them exactly that. Could you imagine replacing a manager before getting rid of Cleverley, Young, Nani et al?

Blaming Moyes for this awful season is obviously the easiest practice, but it's quite obvious that even the most vocal anit-Moyes posters don't have a fecking clue what to do next. van Gaal? Are you serious? nevermind the mention Giggs, Solskjaer and CQ (???) are getting...I recall people even suggesting Cantona after one of our many defeats this season...
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He's gonna break another record

First manager to lost the dressing room and won. We sold the rest
 
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