If Moyes Gets Sacked - Then What??

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So lets say we wake up in the morning to find Moyes has been sacked and will be replaced before the summer transfer window. The question is, where do we go from there?

I appreciate some fans still support Moyes, not many I know, but whether you like him or not, how would we proceed if he were to be sacked?

  • What managers do you realistically think would be in contention for the job?
  • What manager do you want? - If your choice is unavailable this year, then what?
  • Would Sir Alex/Sir Bobby have a big say in the next appointment?
  • If they had a say, would some managers be out of the question because of it?
  • If the rumours are true, Moyes has some transfers pretty much settled waiting for the summer. Would a sacking Moyes void these?
  • If we strengthened in the summer, where would another manager take us to in the league/cups?
  • If we strengthened in the summer, what would you consider the minimum requirements as they may still need time to get used to the Premier League and the current team?

I resisted making a poll, go me.
 
All those scenarios are voided by one thing. We wouldn't have Moyes anymore. Some light at the end of the tunnel.
 
- The best one who will be availabel is Van Gaal. I think that he would be in contention for the job.
- Jurgen Klopp. Very unrealistic but if we sack Moyes, I hope that we make a phone call to him and offer him a blank checkue on both transfers and his personal wage (which at the moment is around 30% of Moyes' wage).
- I hope not. If yes, then it will be Sam Allardyce. Or McLeish. I also don't think that they will have any impact. They bottled it so no point repeating the same experiment in the hope that we will get different results.
- SBC apparently hates Mourinho. I think that all of them are a bit outdated so it would definitely rule out every manager out of EPL and most likely any non-British/Irish manager.
- It depends how much the next manager fancies those players. Knowing that Moyes is making those signings, they are likely shit and overpaid anyway.
- A good one would definitely compete for the title.
- Depends on how much money he spends. If he spends over 100m then it should be a decent challenge for the title, if he doesn't spend a lot of money (or any) then it should be a top 4 finish and some exciting football.
 
MkPaul said:
So lets say we wake up in the morning to find Moyes has been sacked and will be replaced before the summer transfer window. The question is, where do we go from there?

I appreciate some fans still support Moyes, not many I know, but whether you like him or not, how would we proceed if he were to be sacked?

  • What managers do you realistically think would be in contention for the job? The best ones, hopefully.
  • What manager do you want? - If your choice is unavailable this year, then what? Klopp, Simeone, De Boer - in that order. Van Gaal if they aren't attainable.
  • Would Sir Alex/Sir Bobby have a big say in the next appointment? Hopefully not as much of a say if their say leads them to another manager like Moyes.
  • If they had a say, would some managers be out of the question because of it? Yes, Van Gaal would be ruled out. The 3 I mentioned above shouldn't be, though. Perfect professionals.
  • If the rumours are true, Moyes has some transfers pretty much settled waiting for the summer. Would a sacking Moyes void these? No, if Moyes went and we got a top class manager, with a great reputations it would positively enhance our chances of attracting any player.
  • If we strengthened in the summer, where would another manager take us to in the league/cups? Sky's the limit - oh no, we're out of the CL. A good manager could have us winning any of the league, FA Cup, League Cup.
  • If we strengthened in the summer, what would you consider the minimum requirements as they may still need time to get used to the Premier League and the current team? Champions League qualification, SFs of at least one cup.

I resisted making a poll, go me.
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Fergie decides he's had a long enough break and signs a two year contract
 
♫♪ Moysey, Moyesy, don't you stop
Get out the door, we've signed Jurgen Klopp
Your football's pish, and so's Steve Round
Hurry up, you're Sunderland bound . . . ♫ ♪
 
Well, considering Klopp, Simeone, Guardiola, Mourinho and I dare to say Blanc are unavailable, we should go for someone experienced but from the new school of managers: The Conte, Klopp, Simeone, Rodgers ones, even Martínez himself. I'd love Klopp, but that's not gonna happen. I'd personally approach Blanc, understanding that PSG might be reluctant to let him go.

I don't think Van Gaal is a good option, it's a panic button. Pochettino? Risky bet, but I'd take it, at least he'd do better than Moyes, I'm pretty sure of it.

I don't care about Moyes having players already "signed" for the summer if we're gonna lose the essence of the club by letting go Hernández, RvP, Welbeck, Rio, Vidic, Evra, etc. Yeah, most of them must leave, but what is an overhaul going to do? What stops the new guys from being absolutely disgusted with the manager after a few months. Let someone new bring his own players, have a talk with RvP, Hernández, Kagawa, Welbeck, and take it from there.

I don't think Sir Alex and Sir Bobby should have the last word, although I'd like them to have a say.
 
First of all, we could go back to being Manchester United properly. As long as Moyes is here, we'll only get worse, so the sooner he leaves, the better. Nobody could do worse then what he's done.

Also, we'd have loads of managers wanting the United job. We're one of the 4 biggest clubs in the world, a very wealthy club, great resources, huge history, and we give managers time rightly or wrongly (a whole season after this disaster is incredibly generous, he would've been gone by the start of December in most other clubs). Add in the fact that every manager knows that we'd only improve under them after this shite, and it's a very attractive job. Nobody wanted to take over after Fergie, but everyone wants to replace Moyes.

Ideally, we could bring in Simeone or Klopp. No chance of that though, so I think Van Gaal would be a great choice to take over for a few years until he retires, for him to bring us back up to the top and then Klopp/Simeone takes over after.
On Fergie and Sir Bobby... I appreciate everything they've given us but I hope they stay the hell away from that decision. Choosing your successor never works, and Fergie would look at similar qualities rather then just getting a top manager in.
 
I don't think we'd sack him until/unless we had another lined up to start on 1st June. If he were sacked tomorrow, presumably Giggs would take over for the remainder of the season (as Moyes's backroom staff would go too), if not Giggs then someone like Meulensteen could be brought in for the remainder.

When you think about it, both of these ideas are very unlikely. The minimum will be that Moyes continues until the summer, which fecks up our plans for next season, and the new manager will be catching up, meaning another season of 'transition' and another season of failure.

If that's going to happen anyway, get in someone who can win us the title in the season after next. Van Gaal would steady the ship for the next two years, Klopp could make us into winners again. Simeone is great too, but would the Beckham thing count against him in the eyes of the tabloid press (who unfortunately have a lot of influence on supporters)?
 
One thing is for sure, we will have many managers to choose from since probably all of them would be considered an upgrade over David Moyes.

I believed that if we didn't hire a top established manager, then we should have given the job to Ryan Giggs.
If you are going to go outside the family, then it needs to be a well established giant in the world of football. Not a "never win anything" from a small club. And the fact that we allowed him to get rid of our established backroom staff makes the decision even more insane.
 
What managers do you realistically think would be in contention for the job?
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I think most managers would find it hard to turn down the opportunity to Manchester United if they're going to be given 200m to spend. It's one of the biggest jobs in football, the manager will be shown an insane amount of patience and expectations are the lowest they've been for decades. Pretty sweet gig. The only managers I'd definitely rule out are those in charge of Madrid, Barca and Bayern. A few more might turn down the job out of a sense of loyalty to their current club (Martinez and Klopp jump to mind) but even they'd have to seriously consider it.

What manager do you want? - If your choice is unavailable this year, then what?
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I want Klopp. If he isn't available then I'd look at the likes of Conte, Simeone, De Boer. Obviously someone like Ancelotti if he got the sack, that'd be a no brainer. I see a lot of people mentioning Van Gaal but I'm really not convinced by him.

Would Sir Alex/Sir Bobby have a big say in the next appointment?
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Yes, they'd obviously have some input. It shouldn't be down to them to name the successor though, just advise the owners. I don't think being "the chosen one" has helped Moyes at all so I'd prefer it if SAF and Sir Bobby weren't that directly connected to the new guy.

If they had a say, would some managers be out of the question because of it?
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Probably but I'd hope they could be objective and pick the best candidate.

If the rumours are true, Moyes has some transfers pretty much settled waiting for the summer. Would a sacking Moyes void these?
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Shaw and Carvalho? I think they're talented enough to sign regardless of the manager. We don't want a repeat of last summer where we totally failed to strengthen. There should still be enough funds for the new manager to make a few signings of his own too. All depends on the timing of Moyes' exit though.

If we strengthened in the summer, where would another manager take us to in the league/cups?
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Somewhere in the top four.

If we strengthened in the summer, what would you consider the minimum requirements as they may still need time to get used to the Premier League and the current team?
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Somewhere in the top four, though obviously a lot would depend on the circumstances. Finishing fifth while showing signs of improvement and exciting football would be very different to laboring to fifth while showing no signs of improvement. In fact, I don't think setting minimum standards is the right way to look at things as there are too many variables.
 
In contention - Van Gaal, Carlos Queiroz (red issue are suggesting he represents "value" for flutterers), Solskjaer, Klopp (I guess he wants to stay at Dortmund. Job is his if he wants it), Ancelotti if fired by Madrid

Who do I want ? Klopp in the medium to long term but we may need to wait 3 or so years. Similarly, Pep Guardiola might be available in a few years

Sir Alex/Sir Bobby - should be asked their opinion but I'm afraid their credibility on recruitment is non-existent right now. Certainly no veto power

Incoming transfers - new manager should be asked his opinion.
 
Then find someone who has won something in their managerial career. Should be easy for a club of our stature. We should have done that in the first place.
 
The biggest and just about only celebration of the season.
 
NessunDorma said:
♫♪ Moysey, Moyesy, don't you stop
Get out the door, we've signed Jurgen Klopp
Your football's pish, and so's Steve Round
Hurry up, you're Sunderland bound . . . ♫ ♪
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Bye bye David Moyes,
You never played like Fergies boys,
You got fired fired fired...
 
We are screwed. Van Gaal is 62 years old and would hardly be a long term option. Not to mention there's the small matter of the world cup that would consume the time he should be spending on starting to put this sh1t right.
Kloop appears to have no plans to leave Germany any time soon, and any other knee jerk option would mean we have learnt nothing from the DM appointment.

The best we can hope for is the return of SAF, with an assistant under-study who can take the reins in a couple of seasons....
 
Whatever else happens there's absolutely no way SAF should be given the job, even if he's begging for it. He's gone and he has to stay gone, we really need to move on.
 
Wilson Litchmore said:
We are screwed. Van Gaal is 62 years old and would hardly be a long term option. Not to mention there's the small matter of the world cup that would consume the time he should be spending on starting to put this sh1t right.
Kloop appears to have no plans to leave Germany any time soon, and any other knee jerk option would mean we have learnt nothing from the DM appointment.

The best we can hope for is the return of SAF, with an assistant under-study who can take the reins in a couple of seasons....
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Who cares? Anything that stops the bleeding is a good decision. People need to drop this idea of the long term manager.

Long term managers are not found, they just happen. That should not be a criteria when choosing a manager. You pick the best one available.
 
Sir Alex Ferguson coming back is not what we need, we need to learn to live without him. People can't complain about van Gaal not being 'long term', the modern game is too hectic; it is basically a managerial tenure of 3-4 seasons at most- Sir Alex and Wenger are anomalies.
 
CantonaGiggs1 said:
Long term managers are not found, they just happen. That should not be a criteria when choosing a manager. You pick the best one available.
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This. Being successful is what led to SAF staying here long term, it's not the other way around.
 
If he's sacked... rejoice!

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Wilson Litchmore said:
We are screwed. Van Gaal is 62 years old and would hardly be a long term option. Not to mention there's the small matter of the world cup that would consume the time he should be spending on starting to put this sh1t right.
Kloop appears to have no plans to leave Germany any time soon, and any other knee jerk option would mean we have learnt nothing from the DM appointment.

The best we can hope for is the return of SAF, with an assistant under-study who can take the reins in a couple of seasons....
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Long term option isn't necessary right now. We need fixing. We can worry about the longer term as and when the need arises.
 
We need a manager with actual tactics , winning mentality and history of winning games and competitions.
 
I think I can assume most people here would ideally choose Klopp as the main candidate to be the Manchester United manager for a good amount of years.

If however, he is unavailable until 2018, does anybody believe United as a club would hire in a manager with the intention of sacking them after 3/4 years so they can bring Klopp in? I know he is the dream manager for us here but I think if he's unwilling to leave Dortmund now, there will be no plans for him to take over in a few years.
 
Gopher Brown said:
When you think about it, both of these ideas are very unlikely. The minimum will be that Moyes continues until the summer, which fecks up our plans for next season, and the new manager will be catching up, meaning another season of 'transition' and another season of failure.
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I think you are judging other managers by Moyes standards mate, few top managers would have dithered about for a few months like moyes did last summer after taking over such a massive club.

Most top managers come in sign players they think the side needs quickly and then get on with it. No i only started on july 1st bullshit, or fecking about for months only to sign fellaini.
 
MkPaul said:
I think I can assume most people here would ideally choose Klopp as the main candidate to be the Manchester United manager for a good amount of years.

If however, he is unavailable until 2018, does anybody believe United as a club would hire in a manager with the intention of sacking them after 3/4 years so they can bring Klopp in? I know he is the dream manager for us here but I think if he's unwilling to leave Dortmund now, there will be no plans for him to take over in a few years.
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We wouldn't have to bring in a manager with the intention of sacking them, for example someone experienced like Van Gaal would only be in it for 2-3 years anyway so he could be a good bridge until an elite manager becomes available.

I think we just need to get out of the mindset that every manager we hire has to stay for years and years, we should be looking to hire manager on 1-2 year contracts if they work out great, if they don't then move on. Just like every other club does.

And anyway after moyes i highly doubt we will be handing any manager a 6 year contract again it looked silly then and looks fecking stupid now.
 
Bring in a guy on a short-term (Van Gaal) and ensure he signs a future successor to groom (Ole for example, if he's fired) and hopefully the next transition is smoother. Unless the long-term goal is to sign Klopp or another in 3-5 years.

Or go after a guy (Klopp, Simeone) hoping he works and sticks around 6-10 years.

Ideally, they strike gold and find another manager that a) works and b) can last a decade or more.
 
stevoc said:
We wouldn't have to bring in a manager with the intention of sacking them, for example someone experienced like Van Gaal would only be in it for 2-3 years anyway so he could be a good bridge until an elite manager becomes available.

I think we just need to get out of the mindset that every manager we hire has to stay for years and years, we should be looking to hire manager on 1-2 year contracts if they work out great, if they don't then move on. Just like every other club does.

And anyway after moyes i highly doubt we will be handing any manager a 6 year contract again it looked silly then and looks fecking stupid now.
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The thing is, if Fergie/Bobby have anything to say, I think they will oppose Van Gaal. If it wasn't Van Gaal, who else is out there?
 
It's anyone but Moyes at this stage.

If there's no top manager available, then I'd be willing to try Solskjær as a temporary solution(and long term should he succeed). The way I see it, Solskjær and Moyes are polar opposites. Solskjær is in charge of a crappy team, but tries to implement a style of football that suits a top team. He's too ambitious and adventurous for his own good, and thus he's in danger of being relegated. He's just not good at playing to "survive". He's always had a lot of financial backing and natural winners around him, whether it's for the United reserves or for Molde in Norway.

In United, Solskjær would be welcomed with open arms from the players, seeing as he's a legend. And he wouldn't try to grind results. He'd expect our players to attack with purpose and confidence, just the way Fergie intended. You might think that it's a risk, but really, is it more of a risk than it was for Barca to hire Pep? At least Solskjær already has a lot of experience as a manager. And we're already as far down as a team of our skill can possibly get, so it's not like Solskjær would make things worse.

Klopp is my first choice, but if he's not available, then I say we go for Solskjær.
 
With respects to Ole, I think this job is way too much for him at this point. He needs to earn a few more bones at a top club, IMO. He'd be alright as an assistant to a top class manager.
 
MkPaul said:
The thing is, if Fergie/Bobby have anything to say, I think they will oppose Van Gaal. If it wasn't Van Gaal, who else is out there?
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After so highly recommending Moyes i can't see either of the knights vetoing a manager the board would like to appoint.

It must also be remembered neither SAF or SBC are actually on the board so its possible they won't even be asked for their recommendation this time around.
 
People are trying to look too far ahead.

We just need to take the first step and sack Moyes, everything else will fall into place. Any manager that we choose will be an upgrade, so we can at least take comfort in knowing that. There aren't many managers as bad as Moyes.
 
MrMarcello said:
With respects to Ole, I think this job is way too much for him at this point. He needs to earn a few more bones at a top club, IMO. He'd be alright as an assistant to a top class manager.
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Like Pep did?

It's a matter of mentality, charisma and backing, imo. Tactics and experience are important, but ultimately you need to inspire the players and have the guts to attack. I see no better candidate than Solskjær for that job right now. He's a proven winner, currently stuck in a situation he's not suited for. He's not suited for small teams that are struggling for survival. It's just not his game. Moyes would be perfect for the Cardiff job.
 
CantonaGiggs1 said:
People are trying to look too far ahead.

We just need to take the first step and sack Moyes, everything else will fall into place. Any manager that we choose will be an upgrade, so we can at least take comfort in knowing that. There aren't many managers as bad as Moyes.
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Yeah but if we start thinking like that then Moyes really has done long term damage to the club. We're really looking for someone to succeed SAF, not someone to succeed Moyes. We can't let our standards be affected by Moyes' disastrous reign.
 
Mad Winger said:
Like Pep did?

It's a matter of mentality, charisma and backing, imo. Tactics are important, but ultimately you need to inspire the players and have the guts to attack. I see no better candidate than Solskjær for that job right now. He's a proven winner, currently stuck in a situation he's not suited for. He's not suited for small teams that are struggling for survival. It's just not his game. Moyes would be perfect for the Cardiff job.
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I still don't understand why United didn't pick someone from within the "family". The transition would have been smooth.
 
  • Any manager would be in contention, we are Manchester United, still the biggest club in the PL (competition every manager wants to be in) and one of the biggest teams in the world. If we are prepared to be pay top dollar, we can get anybody who is prepared to switch clubs this summer. Ofcourse some are already in an equally attractive job, coaching the biggest teams in the world and earning top dollar. I'd say Guardiola is unachievable, Ancelotti is unachievable and Mourinho is unachievable (as he won't depart Chelsea so soon, he'll want to prove he can still win titles with them). Benitez also seems unlikely given his rivalry with the club. Klopp might be unachievable as he is a pretty stern guy and has said he won't leave Dortmund before his contract runs out in 2018 (although I'd willing to put that to the test). Van Gaal obviously is a big candidate for the job aswell as Simeone. A couple of smaller names(and definitely available) but nonetheless interesting managers to look into (good tacticians, overachievers, brand of positve fluid football) are Lucien Favre (from Gladbach), Rudi Garcia (from As Roma) and Unai Emery (from Sevilla). Martinez wouldn't be a bad call , I think he is doing a brilliant job at Everton and he is proving he can play attractive football and get really good results (at the the top of the table) without brilliant player material, it would be interesting to see how he would fair here and how he could make us play given players like Mata and Januzaj I think he'd be excellent. Maurico Pochettino is another possibility, also doing brilliant at Southampton and playing the exact style of football I'd like to see at United.
  • I want Klopp, hands down the best manager of this moment. He might not be available until 2018, I'd make him a big offer but he doesn't want to depart with Dortmund than we'll have to look into other managers. Simeone would be my next shout, yet could also say no as he is leading a brilliant project at the moment however I think he could be persuaded if we are prepared to pay top dollar. If Klopp nor Simeone would want to come than I think I would give the job to Van Gaal else I'd prefer Garcia, Martinez or Favre (in that order).
  • I think we should ask for their opnion on the matter, but seeing as how Moyes turned out I wouldn't let the decision be entirely in their hands anymore and I would also listen to other opnions in and around the club. It doesn't take a genius to see that most succesfull club are employing more progressive coaches than what flavors Sir Bobbys and Sir Alexs taste.
  • No managers would be nesc out of the question because of their say yet we should listen to their remarks and take everything into consideration when making such a decision (however also take into consideration the fact both of them are old timers and might not fancy or know some of the younger more progressive coaches).
  • Any new manager has to bring in his own players, if he wouldn't want a certain player that would already be ligned up and prefers another player of his liking that would void the player that is ligned up.
  • Another manager would also need time to transition, I think the style of play would be more important than the actual results in this transition period. I don't think we'll start winning immediatly but everything is possible ofcourse, as I said rebuilding the squad and modernising our football is the priority.
  • Minimum requirement for a club our standing should be top 4 finish and get CL next season, anything less is a failure.
 
sullydnl said:
Yeah but if we start thinking like that then Moyes really has done long term damage to the club. We're really looking for someone to succeed SAF, not someone to succeed Moyes. We can't let our standards be affected by Moyes' disastrous reign.
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I know what you mean, but there are many people who are willing to let Moyes continue if we can't find the "right" person to replace him right now. What we need to do immediately is get rid of the person that is causing us damage. Anyone in an interim bases would be better than allowing Moyes' destruction to continue.
 
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