ICC T20 World Cup 2022

Skills said:
How many days were you watching before?
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As many days of England Test cricket I could, listening on TMS if not, and I'd catch other teams if they were on. I also enjoy ODIs and ODI WCs as well to be fair.

T20 turns me off, as does the Hundred. It's pure 'old man, cloud' stuff but I can't deny it.
 
I think we can wave goodbye to this match for good now.

Not the end of the world, with the other game being postponed too.

Australia with a vastly inferior NRR but Afghanistan and Ireland to play - too much to hope that they'll be game raisers again.
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
As many days of England Test cricket I could, listening on TMS if not, and I'd catch other teams if they were on. I also enjoy ODIs and ODI WCs as well to be fair.

T20 turns me off, as does the Hundred. It's pure 'old man, cloud' stuff but I can't deny it.
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England still play as much test cricket as they ever did. The other main test nations still get full summers of test matches.
 
Are there more games in Melbourne? When does the weather turn normally
 
didnt care much for other washouts but this one is huge. shame.
 
What I don't understand is the scheduling of two matches on the same ground back to back. Oz has so many grounds, there is no need for same at all. I presume it is to entice audiences to matches, that would other otherwise demand low attendance, as part of double headers but stupid nonetheless.
 
Skills said:
England still play as much test cricket as they ever did. The other main test nations still get full summers of test matches.
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I suspect the players are less bothered about Test cricket these days because T20/franchise cricket is where it's at. I don't blame the players but I feel Test cricket is in the short form's shadow and will probably never emerge.
 
crappycraperson said:
What I don't understand is the scheduling of two matches on the same ground back to back. Oz has so many grounds, there is no need for same at all. I presume it is to entice audiences to matches, that would other otherwise demand low attendance, as part of double headers but stupid nonetheless.
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That’s exactly the reason. The make the day worthwhile for the ticket buying crowd so they get to watch 80 overs of cricket.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Once again there was an indoor stadium in Melbourne. Also in the same city they play a tennis tournament which goes on at night till matches finish so why does cricket need such crazy cut off times
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Isn’t the roof too low for international matches? I'm just about old enough to vaguely remember that 15-20 years ago there used to be exhibition/legend matches with the roof on and the ball used to hit it regularly. Imagine the amount of times the roof would be hit with modern day bats. Just the other day there was a dead ball because the ball hit a small object like the spider cam.
 
Samid said:
Isn’t the roof too low for international matches? I'm just about old enough to vaguely remember that 15-20 years ago there used to be exhibition/legend matches with the roof on and the ball used to hit it regularly. Imagine the amount of times the roof would be hit with modern day bats. Just the other day there was a dead ball because the ball hit a small object like the spider cam.
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Was that when Afridi hit the roof for 12 runs?
 
crappycraperson said:
What I don't understand is the scheduling of two matches on the same ground back to back. Oz has so many grounds, there is no need for same at all. I presume it is to entice audiences to matches, that would other otherwise demand low attendance, as part of double headers but stupid nonetheless.
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I work a bit with sport event management and the answer to most questions is always the cost. A double header would probably cost half of what two games at different places would due to the advanced logistics and preparations (policing, security, bookings etc).

Also the same reason they can't have reserve days for every single game you'd actually have to assume every game goes into a reserve day and make contingency plans well in advance of the tournament. There would be a dramatic increase in cost even though 95 % of matches don't need a reserve day.

Most sport/cultural event organisers actually operate on a relatively tight budget and rely heavily on voluntary work. They simply can't afford the luxury of creating the perfect competition.
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
I suspect the players are less bothered about Test cricket these days because T20/franchise cricket is where it's at. I don't blame the players but I feel Test cricket is in the short form's shadow and will probably never emerge.
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I'd say overall they are better off for it - modern players are far better professionals today, mainly because T20 has driven up the standard. You don't see tubby fecks like Tendulkar and Inzy around because athleticism is valued in the shortest form of the game, and you see that in tests as well.

Tests are doing fine imo. It's a great format for the pensioners and those who don't actually like to watch sport but passively follow it on the news or radio. T20 is there for everyone else to actually watch.
 
Skills said:
Tests are doing fine imo. It's a great format for the pensioners and those who don't actually like to watch sport but passively follow it on the news or radio. T20 is there for everyone else to actually watch.
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Completely disagree with your opinion on the demographic of test match fans.
 
Utd heap said:
Completely disagree with your opinion on the demographic of test match fans.
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I watch tests, but never in my life have I sat and watched through 5 days of test matches. At most I've watched maybe 5 sessions of a match, the rest I've had to follow on Cricinfo because of life. It's not an accessible form of the game.
 
paulscholes18 said:
Was that when Afridi hit the roof for 12 runs?
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Probably. There were different rules for roof hits, 12 runs, 6 runs, dead ball and even the play just continuing and you could take a pinball catch. Before franchise cricket there used to be a few fun formats. Different continents vs World XIs. There was also a double wicket comp where 2 batsmen batted all the overs and got docked 5-10 runs for every dismissal. I'm guessing that comp was created solely for Afridi :lol:
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Once again there was an indoor stadium in Melbourne. Also in the same city they play a tennis tournament which goes on at night till matches finish so why does cricket need such crazy cut off times
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Vaughan suggesting the same.

 
Samid said:
Isn’t the roof too low for international matches? I'm just about old enough to vaguely remember that 15-20 years ago there used to be exhibition/legend matches with the roof on and the ball used to hit it regularly. Imagine the amount of times the roof would be hit with modern day bats. Just the other day there was a dead ball because the ball hit a small object like the spider cam.
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To be fair, I’d imagine the roof being hit would be quite rare as even big sixes tend to have an arched trajectory. The ball would have to go pretty much vertically up with some power. Be interesting to know how many times the roof has been hit in the Melbourne ground with a roof.
 
Skills said:
I watch tests, but never in my life have I sat and watched through 5 days of test matches. At most I've watched maybe 5 sessions of a match, the rest I've had to follow on Cricinfo because of life. It's not an accessible form of the game.
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I've watched near enough every ball of a test match on numerous occasions since the age of about 6.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
Last one was decided at the Toss. In this one you can't even get to the Toss.
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So true. With the final being in Manchesterbourne too, it would be so typical if it ends up with a Zimbabwe v Afghanistan final due to a series of rained off games and then the final gets rained off.
 
Skills said:
I'd say overall they are better off for it - modern players are far better professionals today, mainly because T20 has driven up the standard. You don't see tubby fecks like Tendulkar and Inzy around because athleticism is valued in the shortest form of the game, and you see that in tests as well.

Tests are doing fine imo. It's a great format for the pensioners and those who don't actually like to watch sport but passively follow it on the news or radio. T20 is there for everyone else to actually watch.
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:lol: Different strokes. Test cricket for me is so special precisely because of how impregnable and daft it is. No-one in their right mind would invent that game from scratch, but there's nothing quite like it in the world. 20 overs or 100 balls apiece is more immediately exciting, but for that I have the likes of football and rugby league while I only miss the nuances of the longer battle between bat and ball when I watch T20.

One thing that unites all formats is the weather, and inept responses to it, fecking everything up for everybody.
 
Utd heap said:
Did it look like a stroke of genius previously?
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Something we could undo if we managed to win other matches. But if we can't play them, we can't win them.

If we'd won, we'd be top of the table and almost certainly heading through to the knockout stages. The rain then would have been our friend.
 
The Corinthian said:
Yea he was diabolical. No idea why he’s even playing. Would rather Asif Ali be in the team.
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I would rather have Haider Ali only because he averages 50+ in first class whereas Asif Ali seems to be a hack at every level in cricket. In the domestic scene, Haider Ali can really take on bowlers.

That said, Asif Ali has proven it internationally at least 1 out of 25 times. Haider has never proven it all, in any close situation. It makes sense why you would rather have Asif Ali. But really, I think neither should be playing international cricket for a country like Pakistan. Being aggressive pinch hitters, I don't mind them getting out to rash shots but to get out to basic deliveries with a poor defense? That's just comical
 
Also, I have to say, the world is never going to take cricket as a serious sport until they do something about the rain/washouts. This happened in 2019 world cup as well and it's pretty silly for two polar opposite teams to split points. Could you imagine if it happened in the football world cup in Qatar?

Unfortunately I think it's going to take a crucial India match to get rained out with consequences before someone takes note of this. They are the only country that care enough about cricket (along with other subcontinent teams) and the muscle/voice to do something about it.
 
shamans said:
Also, I have to say, the world is never going to take cricket as a serious sport until they do something about the rain/washouts. This happened in 2019 world cup as well and it's pretty silly for two polar opposite teams to split points. Could you imagine if it happened in the football world cup in Qatar?

Unfortunately I think it's going to take a crucial India match to get rained out with consequences before someone takes note of this. They are the only country that care enough about cricket (along with other subcontinent teams) and the muscle/voice to do something about it.
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India's both matches against NZ in 2019 wc was affected by Rain. Guess what, nothing happened. ICC still live in stone age.
 
AshRK said:
India's both matches against NZ in 2019 wc was affected by Rain. Guess what, nothing happened. ICC still live in stone age.
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Yeah the BCCI has less say than what fans generally imagine.
 
AshRK said:
India's both matches against NZ in 2019 wc was affected by Rain. Guess what, nothing happened. ICC still live in stone age.
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Stopped play isn't the same as splitting points even between two teams, which is completely ridiculous.

They must have back days where you can play T10 or something: OR play "decider games" before the tournament sometime in the last 3-4 years. If rain interrupts play, the decider game of the previous year will decide. Or, just go with the ODI rankings
 
SinNombre said:
Yeah the BCCI has less say than what fans generally imagine.
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That's not true. Its not a conspiracy theory it's plain and simple economics. You really think ICC would be of much worth without BCCI? You do what BCCI wants because that's what is best for business. I'm not talking about cooking up games or anything but pressure from the biggest moneymaker to change some rules would definitely be meaningful.

For countries like England and Australia cricket just isn't that big of a deal. Pakistans voice would matter but they have other things to worry about (getting back into the fold for hosting games) so doubt they could raise a voice.
 
shamans said:
Stopped play isn't the same as splitting points even between two teams, which is completely ridiculous.

They must have back days where you can play T10 or something: OR play "decider games" before the tournament sometime in the last 3-4 years. If rain interrupts play, the decider game of the previous year will decide. Or, just go with the ODI rankings
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These are all utterly absurd ideas. Short of playing indoors (which in itself is a really bad shout) there’s little that can feasibly be done and actually be an improvement on just calling a group game a draw
 
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