Yup, though they did deservingly win the test championship earlier in the year.
ICC T20 World Cup 2021
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England. 
Jimmy Neesham's twitter account will be so good in the coming days
Well done to NZ, if I had to chose I'd like them to win it, but Pakistan (assuming the beat the Aussies) will be a tough one, much like England though and look what they did to them.
Really boring to mention - but England also win that game chasing.
That aspect has really been shite in this World Cup.
Hopefully whoever bats first in the final gets a stupidly big score.
That aspect has really been shite in this World Cup.
Hopefully whoever bats first in the final gets a stupidly big score.
Haha yeah, not sure if I'm ready to take that as a legit trophy yet
Bit too Nations' League-ishCongrats to the Kiwis now smash it in the final.
Have to credit NZ for hanging in there and chasing that down, they were a long way behind halfway through the innings. That’s probably the worst 20 minutes of limited overs cricket England have played in a long time.
New Zealand smashed it. Deserved the win. Was cussing Mitchell for the first 40 odd deliveries but he absolutely killed it in the end.
England struggled/lost chasing against SA. It comes down to tight margins, England should've got over the line.
Remember this?
Missed Roy and Mills. But that's game.
They should have, that's true.
SA posted a proper score and it was a bit of a dead rubber. Hard to read much into that.
Anyway no need to over analyse really. Well done the Kiwi's
The batting has always been great but losing Roy was the key. I had my doubts when he got injured.
Winning the English way.
Neesham with a match winning innings, glad it was him of all people. Hope either NZ or Pakistan win.
As long as Australia don't win I'm fine with it.
Pakistan have been the best side at the tournament so far though.
Pakistan have been the best side at the tournament so far though.
Good win for NZ. Now hope they win the final as well.
Another game where toss played a key role. It has been a poor WC.
Another game where toss played a key role. It has been a poor WC.
Toss played a role but England should have done better with the bat, and their death bowling was poor as expected. In the end NZ deserved to win.
Not sure we would. Death bowling was always going to be a problem. We lost both games after Mills' injury.
NZ knew we had nothing at the death so just kept wickets in hand. Fair play to them - there's all kinds of redemption arcs going on after the World Cup.
England just had too many injuries. You can't lose half a team and expect to win a tournament. But there's another one next year and we'll hopefully have all those players back. Roy-Buttler-Stokes-Bairstow-Morgan-Livingstone-Moeen-Archer-Rashid-Mills-Wood should be hard to beat in Australia.
Yeah they look the best side for sure.
Not disputing that but I still feel Eng would have won if they bowled first. I don't think any game where toss becomes such a deciding factor is a good thing. Eng have been pretty good this tournament and the moment they lose the toss and bat first you could see other team do well. Pakistan have been lucky with the toss but I wouldn't be surprised if they after having played such brilliantly go out because of toss.
Toss shouldn't affect the better sides. England would've won that game with Roy.
Remember a venue in SA in 2003 WC where batting first absolutely results in winning because of seaming conditions in the evening. Seeing Yousuf Youhanna getting bowled by Jimmy Anderson to an unbelievable ball, thought this should never happen in cricket.
You are right, but sometimes factors make it too skewed. It should be an even contest.
It's easier said than done. With dew it becomes much easier to bat. You could see ball skidding on easily as the match progressed. Rashid struggled to get a proper grip. I don't think I have seen any other WC especially t20 where toss played such a key role.
Yes. Even Wankede in Mumbai is similar. Still remember how indian spinners couldn't grip the ball and Simmons just blew us and took WI to the finals. Always feel if we chased that game we would have also won.Remember a venue in SA in 2003 WC where batting first absolutely results in winning because of seaming conditions in the evening. Seeing Yousuf Youhanna getting bowled by Jimmy Anderson to an unbelievable ball, thought this should never happen in cricket.
Next one is in Australia right? Should be a cracker.
Possibly. But NZ still could have found another 20 runs the way they were going. I just think everything has to go almost perfectly to win as the side batting first, especially in those conditions.
The only way to stop the chasing team is wickets. If you get to 15 overs down and the chasing team has only lost 3/4 wickets, it feels like they’ll chase it 9 out of 10 times regardless.
Pakistan Vs Australia will be a humdinger.
Yes and that should be fun. Anywhere but UAE will be fine.
Can’t wait. Two cracking semi finals. Hope Pakistan make it to the final though.
England screwed a chase against SA, Afghanistan almost turned Pakistan over. I still think the best sides shouldn't be affected that much by the toss. India getting hammered in the first two games was not down to the toss. NZ bowled them out for 110 and Pakistan destroyed their top order. Afghanistan did better batting first. Australia got walloped by England, surely they should be scoring more. Maybe teams have to be more on their game batting first but the best teams should be able to pull it off or at least put up a score first up.
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If Australia win, they'll hammer NZ.
Really happy for New Zealand. If it’s not us I’m always glad it’s them
Same
It should favour England and potentially India too
Not to mention Stokes and Archer. Definitely lacked in the bowling department.