Ireland and Holland play plenty of ODI and their players play in the domestic competitions in England which has a ODI tournament. You may feel T20 is the future however alot of other fans including myself do not agree with that. ODI will always have a space in Cricket and we should be looking to ensure teams like Ireland, Holland and Zimbabwe all can take part.
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Ireland and Holland play plenty of ODI and their players play in the domestic competitions in England which has a ODI tournament. You may feel T20 is the future however alot of other fans including myself do not agree with that. ODI will always have a space in Cricket and we should be looking to ensure teams like Ireland, Holland and Zimbabwe all can take part.
We like to save this for our test series defeat early next year.
I don't think NZ have the batting unless this new kid averages about 80 alongside Conway.
SA could be really good fun, but i'd be surprised if they could hold it together.
Now even if we dont doctor them, the mental demons will take care of the results.
we play them in Lucknow , traditionally slow and low pitch, then Kolkata also similar.
I disagree. It's not like this is exclusive to cricket either.
In the 90s, Bangladesh were a nascent cricketing nation - they're now a fully fledged test team, and capable of causing an upset.
In the 10s, Afghanistan are now on that same path and reached test status a few years ago.
They might not be the best but they'll only improve as time goes in.
England doesn't have an ODI tournament. ODIs are only played between international teams.
Irish and Dutch players have vanished from the English counties in recent years due to Brexit. Kolpak doesn't apply in UK anymore so if counties want to sign Irish or Dutch players they have to sign them on overseas deals. No county wants to waste precious overseas spots on average Irish or Dutch players. The good players from these countries (the likes of Josh Little) are headhunted by franchises in all the big leagues so they get naturally drawn towards T20s.
The one day cup in England is extremely poor nowadays. The Blast is the main limited overs county competition. The one day cup is played when all the best players are with their franchises at The Hundred. England's ODI selections are more or less just based on T20/Hundred performances.
Growing up ODI was the format I enjoyed the most. It wasn't slow and drawn out like tests and it wasn't 'attempt to smash every ball out of the park without showing any technical ability' like T20Is. Those days are gone now. Tests are being played at higher run rates. T20 isn't a meme format anymore. ODI is unfortunately the odd one out. Now it's just an extended T20 with worse crowds. We've seen in the Asia Cup recently and the opening week of the WC that a lot of matches start with non-existing crowds, only for a half-decent turnout by the time the second innings starts. They're just showing up for 3-4 hours which is the length of a T20 game. People simply don't have the time or appetite to watch cricket for 8 hours.
Calls for bilateral ODI series to be scrapped are getting louder and louder due to time constraints and tighter schedules. Soon we'll only have ODIs at World Cups. ODI is a dying format whether you and I like it or not.
And T20 is your ticket to that.
You're talking about WI, Zim and Ireland and wanting to give them more ODI exposure. Giving them a free pass to the World Cup will achieve feck all. Ultimately their List A structure is either non-existent or simply just not good enough. A World Cup spot won't change any of that.
ODIs are only played between selected few nations with ODI status. It's a format for the elite. T20Is can be played by any ICC member. This is a deliberate ploy. ICC wants T20 to be the main domestic comp everywhere. And rightly so, that's the only way the game can be expanded and they're well aware of that.
If you guys actually are serious about lower ranked teams getting exposure you simply have to acknowledge that T20 is the only format for that. And I'm not talking about the likes of WI, Zim and Ire (these are 3 of the 12 full members in cricket) but rest of the countries who make up the top 50 here. All cricketers from these countries are amateurs. They spend their time working/studying. They will never develop skills to compete against the big boys over 50 overs. T20 is however a perfect format for it. The shorter the format the smaller the difference between teams. Funding, sponsors, time constraint wise etc. T20 is the only format that makes sense for lower ranked countries.
Sorry I meant OD. It's nonsense to say the One Day Cup is poor, it's still considered a decent trophy amongst domestic fans. It's only issue is placing it at the same time as the dire hundred. The latter stages of the OD cup when the Hundred has finished gets alot of attention. If it was at a different time to the hundred, you would see better players playing in it. The last thing this country needs is death by T20. I don't blame players for taking the money for franchise competitions but it's killed off nations such at WI. I've not seen any evidence of calls for bilateral series to be scrapped, where has that been mentioned?
The attendance for England ODI games is still great and always has been. If you had followed your own advice, the nations which started out as smaller would never have got the exposure to widen their game and we would be talking about 2-3 nations playing cricket. Teams like SL and NZ who started off small but made big impacts when they developed. It's that elitist mentality we need to move away from. Bangladesh and now Afghanistan are the latest to develop. Ireland and Holland have developed from being a very poor teams. Players in other sports are amateurs such as football and the current rugby world cup but that doesn't stop them participating in the world cup and developing their game and making them more competitive by experience. Plenty of smaller nations play OD cricket, it's just not publicised as much.
You may want more T20 but there are a number of cricket fans like myself who already think there is far too much T20 and don't want to see it killing off other forms of the game. I still believe there is plenty of interest in the ODI game and certainly don't expect it to be killed off.
ODI Cricket will not exist after this current world cup cycle ends (I think there are two more scheduled?).
Bilateral series will die out as the top tier players wont play it - this will kill off the crowds that are still strong in England atleast. You then can't have a World Cup in a format that is not played.
I'd also like it to stay, I think it has a place - but you would struggle to find ANY cricket analysts/boards that can see it existing in the medium to long term future.
Bilateral series will die out as the top tier players wont play it - this will kill off the crowds that are still strong in England atleast. You then can't have a World Cup in a format that is not played.
I'd also like it to stay, I think it has a place - but you would struggle to find ANY cricket analysts/boards that can see it existing in the medium to long term future.
Good. It needs to be deleted.
Alex Carey dropped - England have ruined him, superb stuff.
Bavuma can't get going
Mitch Marsh is having fun in the field again.
Amateur players in football, rugby etc. play games that last 2 hours max. The irony of using that comparison for cricket and suggesting an 8 hour format is the solution to expand the game and not the 3 hour one.
Here's a link: MCC want to scrap all bilateral ODI series that aren't within a year of the WC.
Cricket at the Olympics will be played in a T20 format. Guess IOC didn't consult with the "there's too much T20" brigade. Or, reality is they don't want to bore 99 % of the world to death by having a format where every match takes a whole day to complete.
Countries like Ban, Afg and Ire have very close links to neighboring countries with long cricket traditions. Turn back time and move those countries to central Europe and no one would be playing cricket there today.
Holland seems on the surface like this utopian story that against all odds has become a cricketing nation. But they have historically strong ties with South Africa. Majority of their players in the WC squad are born in SA, South Asia and Ocenaia. The average Dutch in the streets will have absolutely no clue that they're at a World Cup right now or that they even have a cricket team.
You're the one with the elitist mentality here. You're talking with your England hat on, and trying to suggest everyone should be playing one days just because they are popular there. England is a country with extremely strong cricket traditions. There are cricket clubs with their own grounds everywhere you go. Most countries barely have one decent ground and the infrastructure for cricket is non-existent. 50 overs will never be popular in these countries. No one has the time to play nor watch cricket for that long.
If you actually want cricket to develop amongst locals around the world, then T20 or even T10 is the answer. Not one days.
De Kock is penetrating the Aussies hard
Looks a 300+ pitch. Arguably going to get better for batting so SA will want more like 330 here.
Insert Kenneth Williams pic here.
He's gone but SA batting line-up is quite long.
Erm I've never said, I was advocating further involvement of smaller nations for ODIs and tournament. Personally think it will be very detrimental for the game if ODIs are phased out. T10s are just an absolute joke. There is room for T20s but I personally think there is already enough T20 cricket. It remains to be seen if smaller nations are qualified automatically for T20 tournaments. I hope that are.
In respect of your issue around time, that wasn't the point I'm making. It's the point that smaller nations are involved in those tournaments and can therefore can improve their game.
325+ would not be easy under lights.
Bavuma's innings stands out like a sore thumb
Tame end to the innings. Why are all teams struggling to finish in the final 10 overs?
5 in the outfield?
That has been the rule for many years though? Teams were getting 100+ for years in the final 10, at this tournament most seem to be going 7-8 per over.
Aussie fielding 
Hahaha Aussies
Misfield, drop then 4... followed by a drop and 6.
Think they got about 88 off the last ten no?
He played a decent role in seeing off the new ball burst but failed to kick on. It wasn't a terrible innings.
Australia packing their bags already?
This Australian side looks a batter short. They have 4 genuine bowlers plus Maxwell, Stoinis, Marsh and Labuschagne who is a reasonable spinner. 3 of them are more than enough to get through the other 10 overs, surely they'd be better off leaving out Stoinis or Marsh for a proper opener.
They have rigged DRS
They have rigged DRS
That never looked out in real time. Still hilarious.
What a ball
Aussie batting doesnt look like a modern white ball line up.
Losing to SA (if they do) and India isn't exactly shocking - but big trouble for them now.
Losing to SA (if they do) and India isn't exactly shocking - but big trouble for them now.
Australia in huge trouble here.
Might be eliminated early from two different world cups happening at the same time.
Might be eliminated early from two different world cups happening at the same time.
South Africa looking really good.. great batting.. good bowling.. Hope they dont bottle it.. would be nice to see them or NZ win it.
Loads of good players. Losing Nortje from the bowling might be the difference. I also feel like Jansen at 7 and then the bowlers is a little weak come crunch time.
But they're a hugely difficult team to play.
Labuschagne is not a white ball cricketer.
He'd have been a world class white ball player pre 2018. Different world now.