That's bullshit, I know the rule states 16 and that's fair they did cheat. But the rule is total bullshit, you have to give an athlete their due if they are good enough, they ARE good enough, China did win the gold after all. Also, if that was true we would see 12 year olds winning nationals in other countries I dont see that really happening, tbf I dont watch gymnastics ever but I really dont have a problem with what China did there. To say someone cant compete because they aren't old enough is just stupid
I see the allegations of cheating have started.
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That's bullshit, I know the rule states 16 and that's fair they did cheat. But the rule is total bullshit, you have to give an athlete their due if they are good enough, they ARE good enough, China did win the gold after all. Also, if that was true we would see 12 year olds winning nationals in other countries I dont see that really happening, tbf I dont watch gymnastics ever but I really dont have a problem with what China did there. To say someone cant compete because they aren't old enough is just stupid
On average, a 21 year old has to produce 54% more torque to produce a single backflip that a 12 year old. (Sports Science Development and Research Department, Manchester Metropolitan University, Paper 104, August 2006.)
Anyway, its not the fact it is easier for young children to do it people have a problem with.
China did it, even though it isn't allowed. Thats what people have a problem with, me included. This game has started to be a joke in terms of officiating - anyone else noticed the non publishment of clean testing on chinese athletes? When an athlete is randomly tested, upon request the results can be declared - however there has been no paperwork for many chinese athletes, furthering belief that they are using performance enhancing drugs.
Anyway, its not the fact it is easier for young children to do it people have a problem with.
China did it, even though it isn't allowed. Thats what people have a problem with, me included. This game has started to be a joke in terms of officiating - anyone else noticed the non publishment of clean testing on chinese athletes? When an athlete is randomly tested, upon request the results can be declared - however there has been no paperwork for many chinese athletes, furthering belief that they are using performance enhancing drugs.
My problem is that it should be allowed China has 1.3 billion people, this may be their only chance it is an outdated rule imo
If they are good enough and stuck to the rules, it wouldnt be their only chance would it? They would have the same athletes, but at the right age, 4 years later.
Cheaters apparently prosper though.
Cheaters apparently prosper though.
This is never by individuals and for individuals in China. All for golden medals counting, our government need the number to make people pride for our country, forget all the corruption, poverty, lack of medical security. I really hope other countries can do better. Let a country like China -with so little sports facility open to public, most people lack sports excesice- top medals list table, what a joke.
Tweddle robbed?
Was that the girl who is only 13 but "lost" all documentation of her birth, and is claiming she is 16?
Was that the girl who is only 13 but "lost" all documentation of her birth, and is claiming she is 16?
But it is the rules, so your arguement is moot. The rules are the same for everyone, if this girl is to young she should not be allowed to compete, how do you think the other athletes feel knowing she is allowed to compete because she is Chinese, is that fair?
Apparently everyone has somehow established the Chinese athletes are underage.
i can bet my bollocks that the chinese are cheating.
i read somewhere that they got some data of a australian swimming coach who is coaching australian swimmers and now of out of no where some chinese swimmer wins gold after using the data which would mainly consist of techniques and she would have also used some drugs.
i read somewhere that they got some data of a australian swimming coach who is coaching australian swimmers and now of out of no where some chinese swimmer wins gold after using the data which would mainly consist of techniques and she would have also used some drugs.
That's clearly cheating
the same swimmer also shattered the world record by more than a second in the same competition which was ironically set by the australian swimmer that she beat
We would never see that because of a little thing called human rights. Do you have any idea the kind of conditions these little girls are subjected to? It's basically torture.
You're an idiot.
Care to elaborate by the way?
Popcorn smilie did
Anyone watching it on BBC now? Absolute joke, that American was class, much better that the Chinese man..
Incredible they get away with it.
Incredible they get away with it.
Boxing?
High bar. Now the beeb are trying to cover it up - chinese code of not being able to say anything bad about them probably.
But at the time, the commentators, as in, the actual experts said "well, i just dont understand that at all. They are being whistled and bood, and I have to say I agree with them"
But at the time, the commentators, as in, the actual experts said "well, i just dont understand that at all. They are being whistled and bood, and I have to say I agree with them"
in wrestling the judges were atrocious...they gave the japanese wrestler 2 points on 3 occasions when he was pinned down by the indian wrestler and went on to win in the quarter final
TaeKwondo anyone? Awful judging. That 17 year old was gutted and furious he was robbed of the Bronze. You can guarentee nothing like that would happen at 2012. Were far too nice.
I don't know the rules of TaeKwondo but even I could tell that was shit judging, are the panel all chinese?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/olympics/article4583174.ece
It wont let me paste just the text - but its to do with the 16 year old who is in fact, most believe, 14. Apparently they have found evidence she is younger that what they say.
I've heard this a few times and it confuses me a bit. I haven't watched it, but surely the only way they could cheat there is with drugs? There's no age limit problems or judging, either they lift it correctly or they don't. I cant think of a way to rig this event apart from steroid use or the not unprecedented idea of having men compete as women.
While that would seem the sensible reason to set an age limit, its actually more to do with what Cement said below. I was reading about it and it was to do with the event being dominated by young athletes which led to worries about child labour laws. While 'torture' may be a bit far in cements post, there are certainly cases of children of a very young age being encouraged to attempt more than they should. An example from another sport would be a recent a story of an 8 year old in India whose father had her running marathons. So I think those sort of age limits were put in in the hope it would prevent very young gymnasts being trained dangerously.
Apparently some hacker used google cache ( 
) to find old websites that listed the chinese girl's age as being younger. I'm not sure how much more flexible she can be if she's 1-2 years younger, but with much less experience and less develped muscles, if she can win against such strong opponents then more power to her.
"cheating" is a strong word. Illegal yes, but cheating makes one think of doping, this is more like deception. I'm surprised the yanks are making such a big deal over it since it was just 2 gold medals. They should focus on running extensive medical tests on the Jamaicans instead, they grabbed like 4-5 of 'their' golds.
) to find old websites that listed the chinese girl's age as being younger. I'm not sure how much more flexible she can be if she's 1-2 years younger, but with much less experience and less develped muscles, if she can win against such strong opponents then more power to her."cheating" is a strong word. Illegal yes, but cheating makes one think of doping, this is more like deception. I'm surprised the yanks are making such a big deal over it since it was just 2 gold medals. They should focus on running extensive medical tests on the Jamaicans instead, they grabbed like 4-5 of 'their' golds.
Apparently some hacker used google cache (
"cheating" is a strong word. Illegal yes, but cheating makes one think of doping, this is more like deception. I'm surprised the yanks are making such a big deal over it since it was just 2 gold medals. They should focus on running extensive medical tests on the Jamaicans instead, they grabbed like 4-5 of 'their' golds.
Well, against the rules.. so.. cheating. And 2 or 200 medals, it shows the morality and spirit of the Chinese team.
And they did run loads of tests on other countries, so much so some athletes complained of having too much blood taken out of their systems. The answer is alot more flexible by the way. Even with PNF strectching from a young age ( a form consisting of extension and flexion contrasing with contraction and release of the muscles whilst external force is applied) an athlete of 16 is typically 21% less flexible than a 13 year old according to the journal of sports science. So, it makes a difference, and she is able to do so many more moves with ease as she is lying about her age, therefore cheating.
It was the Italian guy who won didn't he? Why would the Chinese need to favour an Italian over the Brit?
Any competition where there are judges it's bound to be a bit subjective.
Well when the sprinters stepped out of lane it's against the rules, so that's cheating? They obviously gained an unfair advantage, but nobody calls them cheats. And if allegations are true then it is the chinese government that are lacking morality, the athlete just wants to compete and do her best.
Muller, I couldn't give a monkeys about the science journal. The US were out performed by a 14 year old girl and are crying about it. All I can say is get over it. You don't see our Tom Daily using his "21% more flexibility" to win gold now do you (even if he's doing a different sport). By the sounds of it the whole world should be applauding this young girl's achievements instead of kicking up a fuss over it. USA are getting pwned in some of their preferred events and they can't hack it.
I'm guessing you're originally from the US or you wouldn't be kicking up such a fuss over this girl's astonishing achievement.
ps the judging which will always be subjective and in some of the cases the athletes weren't even chinese ffs.
I agree 100% with this comment:
all of you who think a little girl should be stripped of her gold medal for simply beeing too good too young are biased retards tbh. In other sports eg diving where "flexibility" is a factor people at the age of 14 are allowed to compete and aren't even finishing that high up eg Tom Daily. Anyway there's not even solid proof she's 14. Speculative bollocks that the US are getting behind.
all of you who think a little girl should be stripped of her gold medal for simply beeing too good too young are biased retards tbh. In other sports eg diving where "flexibility" is a factor people at the age of 14 are allowed to compete and aren't even finishing that high up eg Tom Daily. Anyway there's not even solid proof she's 14. Speculative bollocks that the US are getting behind.
You ask for the difference... i tell you the difference... you no longer care about the difference.
Great poster.
Great poster.
But the Chinese Olympic Gymnastics Commitee are the ones who enter them and govern within themselves? So nothing to do with the government? Yes she wants to do her best, but if its not allowed for her to compete.. thats cheating.
And stepping out of a lane during running results in them being disqualified, so yes, that is cheating and they are called up on it and not allowed to compete as its outside the rules. Like being underage is.
The primary difference is the so caled advantage. There is a massive advantage in being able to bend more, and being entered illegally into a competition, than a sprinter accidentaly steeping out of a lane. Anyway if they do, they are DQ'd.
That a British person noted about 2 months before the game. So we are biased now too then yes?
You are allowed to do it in diving, so it is not cheating to enter a 14 in. High bars and team events, it is.
No that was the boxing mate.
It was against a Korean or Chinese I think. The bbc kept saying about their home support.
Mate my point is that she's a 14 year old girl who's won an olympic gold and you want her to be stripped of her medal for the mistakes of the chinese government and her coaches?
Yes? She was entered by them, they are the ones who will be given the blame, and she will win the Gold if she is good enough for the actual criteria in London in 2012. Im sure there are a few 14 year old americans who are good enough to win too, but they didn't enter them because it was against the rules. So why sould China be allowed it? The point is, her fault or not, acheivement she has made or not, it was breaking the rules and gave her a complete unfair advantage over everyone else as she was the only 14 year old there.
You don't need to read that article to realise that some of them aren't 16 or older. Half of them were feckin kids. Rediculous. I hate to say it but the yanks were cheated.
The TaeKwondo today was funny actually, it was unbelievable. I know nothing about the sport, but the judges even gave the Chinese guy a point when he missed his kick.
As about the Jamaican sprinters... Im sorry but I am struggeling to believe that a tiny & poor country like that can win almost every sprint medal going in the Olympics, in one of the most competitive sports in the world. If something isn't logical in sport then something is wrong.
Id like to believe there is a reason why us Brits are shite at running now, but Jamaica have undergone a huge transformation in sport in recent years. In fact in the last 10, athletics is the biggest event held there, over 200,000 turn up to watch the nation championships.
Whilst the idea of being "born" fast is under debate, the majority of them have an exceptionally healthy diet, and alot of them study hard and travel to high performing sports universities abroad with exceptional facilities, where they build on this.
I dont think any drugs could have slipped through here, anabolic steroids tend to stay in the system for over 2 months, and all Olympic applicants had to send a test, ie a blood sample to an independant lab for testing 2 months before the game. Plus of course, when competing abroad which all of them do, they would have had to go through screen procedures for every tournament.
I just think they are more than likely,
fecking fast.
Whilst the idea of being "born" fast is under debate, the majority of them have an exceptionally healthy diet, and alot of them study hard and travel to high performing sports universities abroad with exceptional facilities, where they build on this.
I dont think any drugs could have slipped through here, anabolic steroids tend to stay in the system for over 2 months, and all Olympic applicants had to send a test, ie a blood sample to an independant lab for testing 2 months before the game. Plus of course, when competing abroad which all of them do, they would have had to go through screen procedures for every tournament.
I just think they are more than likely,
fecking fast.
HGH is dedectible only within 24 hours of taking it. The only way to catch in out is out of competition testing. How many out of competition testing do the Jmaican doping athorities do?