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Against the Chinese. The American gymnasts team complained about gamesmanship from the hosts as they battled for gold, the Chinese entrant in one of the shooting event apparently got credited for shots he actually missed by the Chinese judges and there's dubiousness about the diving panels, too.

I don't know whether this happens every year (the entrants complaining about a bias towards the hosts), but it's gathering pace in this Olympics. I expect yet more complaints over the coming days as China wipes up with the medals.
 
Have you been watching?

The umpiring/refereeing/officiating of certain events has been awful. During Gail Emms and Nathan Robertsons match the other day, the judge allowed the shuttle to be changed after almost every point, trying to slow the momentum and disrupt points that Emms and Robertson won.

Normally, the umpire would warn the team against it, as there was nothing wrong with the shuttle, but the umpire allowed the chinese team to continually swap the shuttle, trying to disrupt any good period.

Also in the shooting, the USA entrant was made to wait before the officials told the crowd to be quiet, whereas the umpire did it immediately for the Chinese entrant.

During the team event, USA had a point. After each succesful run, the Chinese walked right over to the crowd, taking the longest route, slowing the USA entrant doing their run. Then during the rings, while the USA was on, a chinese athlete stood up and waved at the crowd. Regardless of whether this made a difference, it showed poor sportsmanship.

Saying that, if you were training for 12 hours a day at the age of 6, you would be desperate to win too!

There has also been a problem with the boxing panel, and yes, in the early rounds of the skeet a chinese shooter was wrongly given a point, im not sure if this was corrected.

But yes, there has been a much bigger case so far than normal in the Olympics..
 
When the Chinese Gymnast was on the high bar, his coach was yelling, coaching and encouraging him and at one point almost touch the athlete's body (to make sure the Athlete did the most difficult without fearing of falling on ground!!)

No one seems to have complained, and of course they got gold!
 
Well, to be fair the coach is allowed to stand there for high bar event.
 
the boxing has been an absolute joke, ots not normally great but this year its ludicrous
 
Just to mention, whilst I disagree with some of chinas antics this olympics, unfair play, faked singing and fireworks..

How come people are on their back so much regarding the "free journalism" rule? They want people and news programmes to focus on the positive of their games.

Some tossers come in their rainbow trousers singing songs about tibet - when its not allowed - shoot them. Really.

They ruined an historic and brilliant event of running of the torch - I think someone should have been running next to the person with the torch with a baseball bat. Anyway who tries to destroy this great sporting even should have been hit square, hard and true between the eyes.

China have done a brilliant job so far - the stadiums, the running - and with only a few hiccups or things that arent top class. Why are people so concerned with focusing on the negative.

Sorry, I just dislike protesters. Not ones who have a cause - but the stereotypical hippy vegetarian has a problem with anything kind of protesters. Especially ones who ruin events. Waste money on police time - infact there was a protest in London a few years ago regarding the police and them not looking for murderers after 6 years - which required half of Londons police to marshall that event, stopping them from looking for people.
 
Just to mention, whilst I disagree with some of chinas antics this olympics, unfair play, faked singing and fireworks..

How come people are on their back so much regarding the "free journalism" rule? They want people and news programmes to focus on the positive of their games.

Some tossers come in their rainbow trousers singing songs about tibet - when its not allowed - shoot them. Really.

They ruined an historic and brilliant event of running of the torch - I think someone should have been running next to the person with the torch with a baseball bat. Anyway who tries to destroy this great sporting even should have been hit square, hard and true between the eyes.

China have done a brilliant job so far - the stadiums, the running - and with only a few hiccups or things that arent top class. Why are people so concerned with focusing on the negative.

Sorry, I just dislike protesters. Not ones who have a cause - but the stereotypical hippy vegetarian has a problem with anything kind of protesters. Especially ones who ruin events. Waste money on police time - infact there was a protest in London a few years ago regarding the police and them not looking for murderers after 6 years - which required half of Londons police to marshall that event, stopping them from looking for people.

I would say the brutal occupation of another country probably is just cause for a protest.
 
Just to mention, whilst I disagree with some of chinas antics this olympics, unfair play, faked singing and fireworks..

How come people are on their back so much regarding the "free journalism" rule? They want people and news programmes to focus on the positive of their games.

Some tossers come in their rainbow trousers singing songs about tibet - when its not allowed - shoot them. Really.

They ruined an historic and brilliant event of running of the torch - I think someone should have been running next to the person with the torch with a baseball bat. Anyway who tries to destroy this great sporting even should have been hit square, hard and true between the eyes.

China have done a brilliant job so far - the stadiums, the running - and with only a few hiccups or things that arent top class. Why are people so concerned with focusing on the negative.

Sorry, I just dislike protesters. Not ones who have a cause - but the stereotypical hippy vegetarian has a problem with anything kind of protesters. Especially ones who ruin events. Waste money on police time - infact there was a protest in London a few years ago regarding the police and them not looking for murderers after 6 years - which required half of Londons police to marshall that event, stopping them from looking for people.

Er, western countries are kind of accumtomed to the whole freedom of the press and free speech. China grossy denies anyone that enters the country these rights.

I would say the brutal occupation of another country probably is just cause for a protest.

To be fair Tibet is an Autonomous Region and legally part of China as was agreed by both the PRC and the Tibetan Authority, though not the Dalai Lama (but who wants a religious leader as their head of state?...:wenger:). Now should Tibetan Chinese be allowed to practice their preferred form of religion and culture? Yes, absolutely but by this point in time I would not consider it a brutal occupation, unless that notion was applied to the whole of China. Generally western hippies who agitate for a free Tibet are ignorant of the situation and believe whatever the Beastie Boys and Richard Gere tell them.
 
the swedes had a tough time in Wrestling today as well

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...o-quit-after-throwing-away-Olympic-medal.html

threw his bronze medal on the floor and run out from the award ceremony :lol: the referee apparently decided that the Italian was to win the semi-final - the ref was Swiss, but from the Italian part of Switzerland and good friends with the Italian vice president of the International Wrestling Federation.

Now IOC is looking into this..
 
So, I take it, you'll be boycotting London 2012?

Not at all, but I wouldn't be shocked and disgusted to see protestors in London whilst the Olympics are on. I never suggested that we should boycott this Olympics; I was merely refuting the suggestion that the protestors were sub-human scum.
 
Not at all, but I wouldn't be shocked and disgusted to see protestors in London whilst the Olympics are on. I never suggested that we should boycott this Olympics; I was merely refuting the suggestion that the protestors were sub-human scum.

Fair enough

But I can see where muller is coming from. Some of these protestors are just protesting for the sake of it.
 
Sorry, I just dislike protesters. Not ones who have a cause - but the stereotypical hippy vegetarian has a problem with anything kind of protesters. Especially ones who ruin events. Waste money on police time .

:nono:

We live in a world where we are all allowed to express our dislike, and it's just easy for you to say 'I dislike protesters... especially the ones who ruin events'. Well, news for you, Protesters protest because they want to achieve something... Ruining events?! That's what they do!

If you live in a world (e.g. China) where you are not allowed to protest without grave consequences, I am sure you will have second thought in what you just said there! Think again my friend!!!
 
:nono:

We live in a world where we are all allowed to express our dislike, and it's just easy for you to say 'I dislike protesters... especially the ones who ruin events'. Well, news for you, Protesters protest because they want to achieve something... Ruining events?! That's what they do!

If you live in a world (e.g. China) where you are not allowed to protest without grave consequences, I am sure you will have second thought in what you just said there! Think again my friend!!!

Ok, your opinion. But they know the rules of the country, stop complaining when they get told to shut up because they are causing an unfavoured scene. I understand sport is politics etc blah blah - but some sodding hippies ruined one of the greatest traditions of modern sport. It just pisses me off thats all!
 
the swedes had a tough time in Wrestling today as well

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...o-quit-after-throwing-away-Olympic-medal.html

threw his bronze medal on the floor and run out from the award ceremony
:lol: the referee apparently decided that the Italian was to win the semi-final - the ref was Swiss, but from the Italian part of Switzerland and good friends with the Italian vice president of the International Wrestling Federation.

Now IOC is looking into this..

I understand him, saw it on TV and he was fecking robbed.. Scandal if there ever was one. Dirty cheeting bastards.
 
It's a fact that all Gold medals not won by a Britain have been obtained my means of cheating
 
What exactly happened? This is the exact sort of thing that many athletes were worried about; extremely dodgy officiating.

The official on the mat gave him a thumbs up, saying he had won the second round.. But the other officals outside gave the point to the Italian, saying that the Swede had tried to run out of the mat and crossed the red circle with half his body.. Which is not allowed as I understand it. However on the replay you can see that only one arm is out, and that in reality the Italian did the same thing but with half his body out and got no warning... SO the warning should have been the Italians in the first place-

But AFTER the game they've changed the story (the officials) so it's not exactly certain on what grounds he lost...

Swedish team handed in an official protest, they didn't even consider the protest,they just decided not to accept it.. at all...

Clearly a case of corrupted officals, no doubt about it.

The vicepresident of Fila is an italian, and one of the judges was a swiss-italian and a friend of the vice president.. and oh yes, lets remember he "lost" against an Italian..

Hmmm..
 
I don't see any point in holding Olympics anymore. It's a farce.

China has spent millions on this shit when majority of their population is still poor.
 
The Olympics is a SPORT. Rules are made and judged by human beings. Naturally, there will be upsets, controversy, and perhaps mistakes made. Does all these points to corruption? Some of you guys are so blindly patriotic, that i am inclinced to believe that you have lost any sense of rationality. Naturally, judges tend to exercise a certain bias towards the home team, and it had always been the case since the start. It's the same for football. Do you think referees will be 100percent impartial during games at OT?? Let us just enjoy the game in its true spirit, and ignore the losers who find excuses to discredit the eventual winners. China do not need any favours from judges to finish top of the medal tally. It has always been coming, in my honest opinion.
 
The stuff about the Chinese gymnasts being to young is BS I say, if you are good enough, you ARE old enough, and they were good enough for the gold
 
I don't see any point in holding Olympics anymore. It's a farce.

China has spent millions on this shit when majority of their population is still poor.

No and Yes! I agree with the second part of your statement, but it does not follow that they should not be given the chance to host the Olympics. Why? Well looking at the big picture, at least after the Game, Beijing, the Chinese Capital is left with mountains of structures for use of Chinese Athletes or recreationally in the future.

Without the Olympics, majority of the Chinese population is still living in povety. The hosting of the Game won't adversely affect the livelihood of the Chinese people even our hope there'll be positive improvement of their lives is slim!
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/be...lug=ap-gym--underagechinese&prov=ap&type=lgns


State-media story fuels questions on gymnast’s age

By JOHN LEICESTER, Associated Press Writer Aug 14, 8:56 am EDT


BEIJING (AP)—Just nine months before the Beijing Olympics, the Chinese government’s news agency, Xinhua, reported that gymnast He Kexin was 13, which would have made her ineligible to be on the team that won a gold medal this week.

In its report Nov. 3, Xinhua identified He as one of “10 big new stars” who made a splash at China’s Cities Games. It gave her age as 13 and reported that she beat Yang Yilin on the uneven bars at those games. In the final, “this little girl” pulled off a difficult release move on the bars known as the Li Na, named for another Chinese gymnast, Xinhua said in the report, which appeared on one of its Web sites, www.hb.xinhuanet.com

The Associated Press found the Xinhua report on the site Thursday morning and saved a copy of the page. Later that afternoon, the Web site was still working but the page was no longer accessible. Sports editors at the state-run news agency would not comment for publication.

If the age reported by Xinhua was correct, that would have meant He was too young to be on the Chinese team that beat the United States on Wednesday and clinched China’s first women’s team Olympic gold in gymnastics. He is also a favorite for gold in Monday’s uneven bars final.

Yang was also on Wednesday’s winning team. Questions have also been raised about her age and that of a third team member, Jiang Yuyuan.
BEIJING - AUGUST 13: He Kexin of China celebrates after China won the artistic gymnastics team event at the National Indoor Stadium during Day 5 of the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games on August 13, 2008 in Beijing, China.

Gymnasts have to be 16 during the Olympic year to be eligible for the games. He’s birthday is listed as Jan. 1, 1992.

Chinese authorities insist that all three are old enough to compete. He herself told reporters after Wednesday’s final that “my real age is 16. I don’t pay any attention to what everyone says.”

Zhang Hongliang, an official with China’s gymnastics delegation at the games, said Thursday the differing ages which have appeared in Chinese media reports had not been checked in advance with the gymnastics federation.

“It’s definitely a mistake,” Zhang said of the Xinhua report, speaking in a telephone interview. “Never has any media outlet called me to check the athletes’ ages.”

Asked whether the federation had changed their ages to make them eligible, Zhang said: “We are a sports department. How would we have the ability to do that?”

“We already explained this very clearly. There’s no need to discuss this thing again.”

The International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) has said repeatedly that a passport is the “accepted proof of a gymnast’s eligibility,” and that He and China’s other gymnasts have presented ones that show they are age eligible. The IOC also checked the girls’ passports and deemed them valid.

A May 23 story in the China Daily newspaper, the official English-language paper of the Chinese government, said He was 14. The story was later corrected to list her as 16.

“This is not a USAG issue,” said Steve Penny, president of USA Gymnastics. “The FIG and the IOC are the proper bodies to handle this.”

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The Olympics is a SPORT. Rules are made and judged by human beings. Naturally, there will be upsets, controversy, and perhaps mistakes made. Does all these points to corruption? Some of you guys are so blindly patriotic, that i am inclinced to believe that you have lost any sense of rationality. Naturally, judges tend to exercise a certain bias towards the home team, and it had always been the case since the start. It's the same for football. Do you think referees will be 100percent impartial during games at OT?? Let us just enjoy the game in its true spirit, and ignore the losers who find excuses to discredit the eventual winners. China do not need any favours from judges to finish top of the medal tally. It has always been coming, in my honest opinion.

Firstly, there's a difference between a referee at OT being partial, he's probably subjected to pressure by a bigger crowd and in that case shouldn't be there in the first place. If you're gonna be a ref you have to stand up for the crap flying your way.
But there's a difference between that and being CORRUPTED and blatantly lying.

Secondly, I don't discredit a winner if they truly ARE winners, and not because some bloke in a suit got some money in the post this morning and decides to make up his own rules.
 
I am Chinese, so I will never be supprise at all these cheating things. We know how shameless our authority is. I thought whether I should appoligize, but why? It is not my fault, this is communist system, so our people have little means to talk our govenment to have some sence of honor.
 
I am Chinese, so I will never be supprise at all these cheating things. We know how shameless our authority is. I thought whether I should appoligize, but why? It is not my fault, this is communist system, so our people have little means to talk our govenment to have some sence of honor.

I'm expecting your internet to die any second now.....
 
I'm expecting your internet to die any second now.....

haha, it does work like this. as long as I write in English and post on forgein BBS, I will be OK. Not many Chinese can see this so it is harmless. Yesterday I tried to post on a Chinese popular BBS in Chinese language and tell people the truth about the girl singing in opening ceremony but failed. Anyway, as long as I don't make any serious effort to overthrow the government, I will be fine.
 
I am Chinese, so I will never be supprise at all these cheating things. We know how shameless our authority is. I thought whether I should appoligize, but why? It is not my fault, this is communist system, so our people have little means to talk our govenment to have some sence of honor.

That's actually very interesting. So at least a fair chunk of the Chinese people themselves know that there's something a little iffy going on?
 
Their weightlifting domination might have something doggy going on as well. 8 golds? wow!!
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/be...lug=ap-gym--underagechinese&prov=ap&type=lgns


State-media story fuels questions on gymnast’s age

By JOHN LEICESTER, Associated Press Writer Aug 14, 8:56 am EDT


BEIJING (AP)—Just nine months before the Beijing Olympics, the Chinese government’s news agency, Xinhua, reported that gymnast He Kexin was 13, which would have made her ineligible to be on the team that won a gold medal this week.

In its report Nov. 3, Xinhua identified He as one of “10 big new stars” who made a splash at China’s Cities Games. It gave her age as 13 and reported that she beat Yang Yilin on the uneven bars at those games. In the final, “this little girl” pulled off a difficult release move on the bars known as the Li Na, named for another Chinese gymnast, Xinhua said in the report, which appeared on one of its Web sites, www.hb.xinhuanet.com

The Associated Press found the Xinhua report on the site Thursday morning and saved a copy of the page. Later that afternoon, the Web site was still working but the page was no longer accessible. Sports editors at the state-run news agency would not comment for publication.

If the age reported by Xinhua was correct, that would have meant He was too young to be on the Chinese team that beat the United States on Wednesday and clinched China’s first women’s team Olympic gold in gymnastics. He is also a favorite for gold in Monday’s uneven bars final.

Yang was also on Wednesday’s winning team. Questions have also been raised about her age and that of a third team member, Jiang Yuyuan.
BEIJING - AUGUST 13: He Kexin of China celebrates after China won the artistic gymnastics team event at the National Indoor Stadium during Day 5 of the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games on August 13, 2008 in Beijing, China.

Gymnasts have to be 16 during the Olympic year to be eligible for the games. He’s birthday is listed as Jan. 1, 1992.

Chinese authorities insist that all three are old enough to compete. He herself told reporters after Wednesday’s final that “my real age is 16. I don’t pay any attention to what everyone says.”

Zhang Hongliang, an official with China’s gymnastics delegation at the games, said Thursday the differing ages which have appeared in Chinese media reports had not been checked in advance with the gymnastics federation.

“It’s definitely a mistake,” Zhang said of the Xinhua report, speaking in a telephone interview. “Never has any media outlet called me to check the athletes’ ages.”

Asked whether the federation had changed their ages to make them eligible, Zhang said: “We are a sports department. How would we have the ability to do that?”

“We already explained this very clearly. There’s no need to discuss this thing again.”

The International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) has said repeatedly that a passport is the “accepted proof of a gymnast’s eligibility,” and that He and China’s other gymnasts have presented ones that show they are age eligible. The IOC also checked the girls’ passports and deemed them valid.

A May 23 story in the China Daily newspaper, the official English-language paper of the Chinese government, said He was 14. The story was later corrected to list her as 16.

“This is not a USAG issue,” said Steve Penny, president of USA Gymnastics. “The FIG and the IOC are the proper bodies to handle this.”

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If you are good enough, you are old enough imo
 
the boxing has been an absolute joke, ots not normally great but this year its ludicrous

I watched the Gu Yu vs. Joe Murray fight the other day and I was completely astounded with how the refereeing went.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/be...lug=ap-gym--underagechinese&prov=ap&type=lgns


State-media story fuels questions on gymnast’s age

By JOHN LEICESTER, Associated Press Writer Aug 14, 8:56 am EDT


BEIJING (AP)—Just nine months before the Beijing Olympics, the Chinese government’s news agency, Xinhua, reported that gymnast He Kexin was 13, which would have made her ineligible to be on the team that won a gold medal this week.

In its report Nov. 3, Xinhua identified He as one of “10 big new stars” who made a splash at China’s Cities Games. It gave her age as 13 and reported that she beat Yang Yilin on the uneven bars at those games. In the final, “this little girl” pulled off a difficult release move on the bars known as the Li Na, named for another Chinese gymnast, Xinhua said in the report, which appeared on one of its Web sites, www.hb.xinhuanet.com

The Associated Press found the Xinhua report on the site Thursday morning and saved a copy of the page. Later that afternoon, the Web site was still working but the page was no longer accessible. Sports editors at the state-run news agency would not comment for publication.

If the age reported by Xinhua was correct, that would have meant He was too young to be on the Chinese team that beat the United States on Wednesday and clinched China’s first women’s team Olympic gold in gymnastics. He is also a favorite for gold in Monday’s uneven bars final.

Yang was also on Wednesday’s winning team. Questions have also been raised about her age and that of a third team member, Jiang Yuyuan.
BEIJING - AUGUST 13: He Kexin of China celebrates after China won the artistic gymnastics team event at the National Indoor Stadium during Day 5 of the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games on August 13, 2008 in Beijing, China.

Gymnasts have to be 16 during the Olympic year to be eligible for the games. He’s birthday is listed as Jan. 1, 1992.

Chinese authorities insist that all three are old enough to compete. He herself told reporters after Wednesday’s final that “my real age is 16. I don’t pay any attention to what everyone says.”

Zhang Hongliang, an official with China’s gymnastics delegation at the games, said Thursday the differing ages which have appeared in Chinese media reports had not been checked in advance with the gymnastics federation.

“It’s definitely a mistake,” Zhang said of the Xinhua report, speaking in a telephone interview. “Never has any media outlet called me to check the athletes’ ages.”

Asked whether the federation had changed their ages to make them eligible, Zhang said: “We are a sports department. How would we have the ability to do that?”

“We already explained this very clearly. There’s no need to discuss this thing again.”

The International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) has said repeatedly that a passport is the “accepted proof of a gymnast’s eligibility,” and that He and China’s other gymnasts have presented ones that show they are age eligible. The IOC also checked the girls’ passports and deemed them valid.

A May 23 story in the China Daily newspaper, the official English-language paper of the Chinese government, said He was 14. The story was later corrected to list her as 16.

“This is not a USAG issue,” said Steve Penny, president of USA Gymnastics. “The FIG and the IOC are the proper bodies to handle this.”

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I am stunned by that, but how can you disprove it? If presumably the Chinese government have issued misinformative passports? Would a DNA test give an accurate age?
 
The boxing has been a joke allright, I was watching this Irish lad who kept hugging Diaz and got destroyed by him. But the Irish boxer was being given the points on at least a couple of occasions when clearly he was the one receiving the punches while throwing basically nothing. The judges had to give the match to Diaz after it ended 11-11 though, the crowd was booing the judges before it got to that point and rightly so. Don't know what the feck those judges were smoking, but good to see they came to their senses in the end.
 
If you are good enough, you are old enough imo

I was reading about it on another forum and it seems that the problem is not they're eligible, but it they shouldn't be eligible because the younger they are, they are more flexible/nimble.

So basically, while a properly grown adult would need immense talent and skill to pull off some off their flips, twists etc, being younger/smaller would give them a massive advantage as they could just gain more airtime and rotate faster. Hence the underage rule.