I wouldn't mind having him if Dave leaves. I've never had much trust in Valdes, in all honesty.
Hugo Lloris
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Well he would be a more long term option than Valdes. Not sure Levy would sell to us though.
Lloris would be a good option, as would Cech. I think Bernd Leno would be the best choice. Excellent shot stopper, very strong on corners and excellent with the ball at his feet and only 22. Would probably cost a good £10million less than Lloris too.
Not much in it tbh but Lloris is younger so id prefer him. Also there is an uncertainty on how much the injury has affected Valdes' game.
I don't think Lloris has reached the heights Valdes had in the past or before his injury, but we really don't know how good Valdes is after his injury and he is not a perfect fit for the PL anyway. If the release clause is true or Lloris is available for a decent fee I would take him, if Levy wants 40 million or more then he can feck off, he is not that good and we should rather look at someone like Leno.
Lloris now is better than Vlades ever was, never rated him myself.
If we can get Lloris for under 30, I would prefer him, but Leno will be great too. A less talented version of De Gea but would be here for a long time and has potential to be on top 5 keepers in the world. After De Gea and Courtuis, he might just be the best young keeper.
I don't like Lloris to be honest. I follow him since his days at Nice, and to me he will never be world class like De Gea is right now
He's very good on his line and very explosive, and quick, but he's too dangerous and doesn't give confidence to the back four. We can talk about the Spurs weak defence, but it was the same at Lyon, and so at Nice, and even more with Les Bleus in the national team.
I think he's very weak with the ball at his feet as his distribution is not good enough. Nowadays top keeper are far better at that.
Thanks, but no thanks
He's very good on his line and very explosive, and quick, but he's too dangerous and doesn't give confidence to the back four. We can talk about the Spurs weak defence, but it was the same at Lyon, and so at Nice, and even more with Les Bleus in the national team.
I think he's very weak with the ball at his feet as his distribution is not good enough. Nowadays top keeper are far better at that.
Thanks, but no thanks
Nah he isn't. But people rate the PL proven ones always higher and will bash Valdes because they saw a huge mistake on that youtube videos here and there. Valdes had fantastic seasons and was the perfect keeper for Barcas style. He was also outstanding in his last season before he was injured. Some are just most people darlings and flashy names like Lloris and others got a lot of hate when they are not really worse. Hart is also hated here and yeah he also made some stupid errors, but he is a pretty good goalkeeper though and not worse than Lloris. Valdes is generally a little bit underrated, he was a very good goalkeeper at his best.
Indeed Lloris has made his fair share of mistakes, including some this very season
Valdes was very good on his last season at Barca, likely on top 5 keepers in the world. On the other seasons, he was very suited to their game, but he loved to make mistakes. More than any other top keeper I have ever seen. More than Casillas has ever did.
Lloris likely isn't as good as Valdes on his last season there, but then, most likely Valdes isn't as good as he was before his injury. Add to that, him being quite crap at crosses, new league, new team and I don't think that it is even close which one is the better keeper for us. To Valdes favour though, he is probably the second best sweeper keeper in the world, has excellent passing ability (even better than De Goat) and is very good at 1 on 1. He is also a keeper than can make a save in the last minute of the match, even if he had nothing to do for the entire game. My biggest worry though is that he'll get murdered on crosses (like De Gea on his first 6 months here, probbaly even worse). And well, 5 or so guaranteed mistakes each season, some of them on big matches.
Lloris is comfortably better than Hart. In every aspect of the game. Hart was excellent on 11-12, but since then has been as average as it can be, with some errors at times. Lloris makes errors, but generally performs better and IMO is the third best keeper in the league.
I share similar sentiments. If we are to sign a new goalkeeper I'd rather have an all rounded one with no major deficiencies like Leno.
Easy there. I prefer Lloris too but he has yet to reach the heights that Valdes was at pre injury. Having said that i doubt if Valdes is still the same keeper.
If we're to sign an established keeper then Lloris would be my choice. Cech just doesn't suit our system and isn't good enough off his line or with the ball at his feet.
Valdés suits the style of play perfectly so my first choice would be to keep him & sign Leno to groom as number 1.
Valdés suits the style of play perfectly so my first choice would be to keep him & sign Leno to groom as number 1.
Not if we sell De Gea first.
Depends if we end up selling De Gea for peanuts due to his contract situation.
When has this happened to us? I'd be happy if a fee couldn't be agreed, then we can keep him. We don't need the fee.
Leno can't catch a ball and isn't great with ball at his feet. He is a great shot stopper, though.
I'm also not a fan of Lloris, he is mentally weak, at least he was at Lyon. But when he is full of confidence, he is great.
Well our history of getting value for players sold not as good as it should be. Another poster said Welbeck was our third highest sum received in our history for a player sold. However we do also have a history over overpaying for players too so its difficult to determine their true value. If De Gea is going then i'd be happier if he signed a contract extension so we get a substantial fee for him like we did with Ronaldo.
He will cost us upwards of £35m knowing Spurs I'd keep with Valdes. Good keeper don't get me wrong but Valdes is good enough.
You always need the fee.
If it comes to it, we should just tell Madrid that the price for De Gea is Lloris. Let them haggle it out with Tottenham.
A player can't be transferred to two consecutive clubs in the same window.
I don't think that's what he meant. I think the idea is for them to pay us whatever it will take to get Lloris, which Real can negotiate with Spurs.
He can, otherwise you couldn't loan a player that you just purchased. What is impossible is to play for 3 teams in the same season.
A loan isn't a transfer. The player's registration is still held with the club that loans out the player.
I don't really understand what you mean. But in any case if Levy sold Lloris to RM it would be conditional on a clause that prevented his being loaned or sold on to a Prem club.
There is nothing in the registration rules who tells you that you can only be registered once per registration period, the club is not even forced to register the player at all.
Edit: And the clubs who receives the loaned player has to register the said player and since you can register a player only for one club at a time...
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So according to the Telegraph Levy wants a WR fee for Lloris, I really hope we just do not get involved with this nonsense if we end up needing a keeper.
To get £20 miilion or so for DDG, then pay £35 m + for Lloris would be the sort of thing we could do though, sadly.
To get £20 miilion or so for DDG, then pay £35 m + for Lloris would be the sort of thing we could do though, sadly.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/aff...e_status_and_transfer_of_players_en_33410.pdf
Section III, article 5, paragraph 3:
In any case, hypothetically speaking, Real wouldn't need to register Lloris.
Levy is one of the most tedious people involved in football. He must be cool though if you're a Spurs fan.
Yes they can.
Eg Bebe.
On 11 August 2010, only five weeks after he signed for Vitória de Guimarães, Manchester United agreed an undisclosed fee with the Portuguese club for the transfer of Bebé.
Poor Lloris, there is no way Madrid will pay a WR fee for him either, I'd quite like him here but it's just not worth the bother unless he has a release clause.
I find it really annoying how we are inevitably going to be paying considerably more money, than we get for DeGea, for a worse keeper.
It fecking sucks actually.
Levy, with his small man syndrome, can feck off for me. Have a good look abroad for a young and upcoming keeper.
Yes you are spot on with this, hopefully we'll keep DDG though.
Woodward Vs Levy
yeah, you're probably right. Having said that, if van Gaal pinpoints Lloris as his next number 1, then I'd just take the hit get him bought and move on. Even if it's for £10m more than we got for Dave, we'd have our man. Also to be fair to Spurs, selling to a club in the same division should add more to the fee, a trick we missed with Welbeck I feel.
There's no logic in comparing transfer fees. Chelsea got £50m for a player they wanted to sell, and by the sounds of it, we're about to get shafted for a player most clubs in Europe want. It's just symptomatic of player power more than us being poorly run, on this occasion anyway.
DeGea is gone for me. Even if he did sign a new contract, we would just have this same bullshit every summer with Madrid or Barca etc.
I'm pretty sure such a clause wouldn't be legally enforceable.
If he signs he's staying, there is no way we will put a low release clause in for him as has been reported, but as it stands I think he'll go this summer.
Woodward Vs Levy
Having said that, if van Gaal pinpoints Lloris as his next number 1, then I'd just take the hit get him bought and move on. Even if it's for £10m more than we got for Dave, we'd have our man. Also to be fair to Spurs, selling to a club in the same division should add more to the fee, a trick we missed with Welbeck I feel.
There's no logic in comparing transfer fees. Chelsea got £50m for a player they wanted to sell, and by the sounds of it, we're about to get shafted for a player most clubs in Europe want. It's just symptomatic of player power more than us being poorly run, on this occasion anyway.
Am I the only one who thinks we got a good deal at £16 million?
Re Lloris I take your point, and it is small time mentality not getting your man through stubbornness, but the point has to be is Lloris worthy of a world record transfer fee for a keeper? I would say not.