I think he stays. Varane and Martinez can’t play every match we have until end of season. Especially with the two postponed fixtures needing to be crammed in.
How do we sell Harry Maguire?
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Keep up with the news - Maguire's camp leaked that the poor little captain needs more help.
I find it funny this forum goes balls-to-the-wall protecting our spoilt primma donna players but abuse of fans, no matter how annoying or controversial, is somehow acceptable.
If a hypocrisy meter existed, it'd probably break measuring this kind of stuff.
He might leave in the summer at the very worst case, it could be January though.
I agree we need cover. Pau Torres is still an option in future considering United were (apparently) discussing terms with him this summer.
Still its unheard of to sign a player on a 6+1 deal. We tried to flog AWB this summer but as per reports only got a loan offer & I think a PL club was offering 10mn quid for him. Our board OBVIOUSLY refused that. Cant take such a huge loss. If we keep him, his value is only going to diminish similar to Rojo, Bailly, Jones (if he ever had any value), Mata, etc., and then watch them leave on a free.
We arent ever getting 40mn for Maguire. Anything above 20 mn and we should be biting the club's hands off. Maguire has become an albatross. He doesn't inspire any confidence. In the games he has come in the last 2-3 mins to shore up the defence, we have visibly looked nervous. Hoping Ten Hag would transfer list him and boot him out. Shaw too. This is his 9th season here and he's had just 1 or maybe 1.5 good seasons. Too injury-prone, unprofessional, and lacks the right mentality too. We have lost every final he has played (on the occasions he was miraculously fit to be selected for). Says it all.
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Pray he has a good world cup, and we can maybe get 30-40m for him.
What we really need is back up for Martinez. A left-footed CB. Lindelof can cover Varane.
Our best chance was this summer gone when there was interest from Chelsea. It would have been win-win all round but our chronic idiocy in the transfer market saw off any chances of doing the right thing by the club.
So pure speculation then? Right.
And hence the reduced fees. You'd barely get a good championship CB for 30M these days.
Where am I defending Maguire? Nowhere, blokes a total cry baby surrounded by idiots clearly.
That was a joke mate
I think Lindelof is a busted flush and needs to go too. We just need to move on from the entire Ole-era group (minus Varane) and sign two new CBs that are more suited to the current era of football.They represent a CB group that the game has moved on from. Everyone plays a really high line now and so speed and assuredness on the ball are the attributes that matter the most these days at CB. My model for who we should be looking at these days at CB would be Eder Militao. Rapid but comfortable on the ball.
I agree tabout that (you must have some evidence for those claims) but everything what he said is 100% truth
First it was Lindelof's fault because Harry needs partner which suits him. Then it was Varane's fault because Varane is finished. Then it was Shaw's fault because he is lazy bastard.
Then it was McFred's fault. And then ladt year's excuse was De Gea.
Agree with all of this.
Inconceivable that we will get a decent fee for Maguire or Wan-Bissaka. Then we've got Fred heading into the final years of his contract. A player who is many things, but not the type of player Granvenberch is. That's an obscene amount of money for players who are surplus.
Nobody’s buying him and he’s not taking a wage cut. We have him till the end of his contract.
Really wish there were a PL club that could offer him an exit route, we'll be much better off and it would open up a place to bring in another rising young talent at CB to go with Martinez.
The press apologia for him lately has been nauseating. Everyone else is to blame for him poor club form but him apparently. No matter how terrible he's been since his debut season with us, he's still one of the most protected players in the country with the press.
Kind of leads you to wonder just how many leaks over the last little while have come from him just like with another press darling like Henderson.
The press apologia for him lately has been nauseating. Everyone else is to blame for him poor club form but him apparently. No matter how terrible he's been since his debut season with us, he's still one of the most protected players in the country with the press.
Kind of leads you to wonder just how many leaks over the last little while have come from him just like with another press darling like Henderson.
This is my concern. We have a player with 3 years left on his deal (4 years if we activate our clause) who's being paid £190k a week. I just don't see anyone investing the £40m in wages he'd want to take him off our hands for the next 4 years, let alone paying a decent fee on top.
He's not only earning outside of the wage limits for clubs like West Ham, Villa and Leicester; but also outside the limits of clubs like Tottenham and Arsenal if you exclude their key attacking players (Jesus, Kane, Son).
Therefore we're left with the miniscule chance that someone like PSG or Chelsea come in for him; or alternatively we pray that either Maguire values first team football to such an extent that he's willing to take a pay cut (very unlikely) or we end up subsiding his wages, either by letting him leave for small fee (< £15m) meaning the buying team can give him a large signing on fee to compensate or by literally paying him £70-80k a week for the next 3 years to play for someone else.
It will never cease to amaze me why we offer to 4x, 5x, 6x or 10x the salaries of players who haven't proven themselves for United. Do we really believe Maguire (or Sancho, Antony, Fred, AWB etc) would have turned down United if we offered £40-60k less a week which would still represent a huge pay rise with no other team willing to pay the transfer fee?
It only serves to make players impossible to sell, certainly at market value.
Surely Newcastle can help us out here.
It's always a sign the player themself is the issue once we start the who's around him game.
We saw it with latter day Rooney, and we saw it with Pogba repeatedly.
True quality players make their quality shown irrespective of who is around them.
What’s Leicester’s refund policy like?
We can start by not refusing to sell him at all.
Interesting that Ogden says he agrees with the opinion of his 'source'. Almost like maybe the 'source' doesn't exist at all.
Rooney and Pogba have been actually good and have actually played at a high level. People should remember that Maguire is a player that had never played a continental club competition game before United, I'm talking about group stage. The reality of Maguire is that he was unproven when we signed him and has proved nothing since we signed him, it's insulting to Pogba and Rooney to bring them in the conversation.
TH should call him in and de gea. Make Maguire apologise personally to him, then get all the squad and get Maguire to apologise to them. Take the captaincy off him in front of them all and say you will be a bench player until I see fit. Once you reveal the leaker, you will be considered for a place.
Then at the end of the season sell him.
Then at the end of the season sell him.
While he should be sold asap, I feel he shouldn't be held responsible for what other people say, except maybe from his agent.
All sales final. No Returns.
It's not borderline xenophobic; it's blatantly xenophobic. Considering that De Gea is among the very few left with the experience of winning the League at United and has had to deal with far more limited CBs in front of him over the years, you would expect a hell lot more respect. If anything, I say those comments expose both a xenophobic attitude and a very shitty attitude beyond tone deafness and mere stupidity. That kind of character is as nuclear toxic as it can get if you don't get rid of him ASAP.
If Ten Hag wants to stamp his authority, he should outright lock the doors at Carrington so Maguire won't be allowed back near the team ever again. Heck, Ten Hag has every right to be an asshole and hurt Maguire's credibility with England if that is how Slabhead wants to behave - like a cnut.
It's a shame that we didn't sell him to Chelsea before they got fleeced by Leicester with the Fofana deal. That would have solved a huge problem by now.
These are only 'reduced fees' relative to what we (stupidly) paid. We got Varane for 35m. He's a multiple cl winner. Hardly a championship CB and similar age to Maguire.
Maguire and AWB will not bring in large fees. If we want to flog them then we need to cut our losses and accept realistic fees.
This marriage will not end well
People acting like it’s a hard thing to do just to make things more toxic.
Maguire has to be the worst signing we've ever made in our history if we take his transfer fee into account.
I cant see Maguires ego and his England place, to allow him to be a bench player here for long. Im sure he will ask for a transfer by the end of the season, and with Utd being in even more debt, will probably be sold around the £30 mill mark and the wages saved will be a factor in this.
We will end up with £50 mill for 2 players who cost £130 mill 3 years ago.
We will end up with £50 mill for 2 players who cost £130 mill 3 years ago.
Van De Beek makes no appearance for 40 mil.
We have had some good performances or seasons from Maguire and Pogba.
I have no clue about his wages, probably around 200K I'm guessing. We should be able to move him on for 40M+. Likely 50M if there are multiple PL clubs interested.
He still performs well for England, and can be effective in the right system. That would be a good deal for both parties. He'll get a chance to play for another club, and we can effectively sign a decent CM/RB/ST with that money.
He still performs well for England, and can be effective in the right system. That would be a good deal for both parties. He'll get a chance to play for another club, and we can effectively sign a decent CM/RB/ST with that money.
What's your point?
To Newcastle for 40m£ please.
They have 2 better CB’s. LB seemed like a weakness when I watched them, so maybe we’ll get lucky and they come for Shaw.
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