We could have brought back any of LVG, Jose or Moyes and I wouldn't be blaming them for this mess.
How different would the fan response be if Pochettino was our manager
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Ah yes, I remember that now, thank you.
Well - if ETH has any sense, he should have the outfield players running laps, but DDG exercising his arms by painting over all the murals from the glory days (like the Karate Kid). Sadly, it looks like its going to be happening soon anyway due to a certain welsh legend showing that your heroes can sometimes let you down. Meanwhile, he himself can go around Old Traffords bars, restaurants and and other public areas & take down the photos and other memorabilia from the Sir Alex Ferguson era. Put a new lock on the trophy room door and keep the key in his office. The stuff from the sixties can stay, because that is like ancient history now.
Obviously, before he does any of this he should ask his 'thinktank' if they think its a good idea. Oh hang on a minute.....
I see my personal stalker is back responding to my post. Coming from you, all your post are contenders, so perhaps you are onto to something
Definitely contender for worst post of the year so far!
. At least respond with substance, and not act like a child.I like how the mods @harms, @jojojo, etc are not intervening and people are allowed to post things that are completely not on topic. There have been 5 or more post already in this thread with only @Corinthian posting any knowledgeable response to my post. I know they tell me to report them, but I m not that kind of person that reports children that don't know better.
Yet here you are still replying to meI see my personal stalker is back responding to my post. Coming from you, all your post are contenders, so perhaps you are onto to something
I like how the mods @harms, @jojojo, etc are not intervening and people are allowed to post things that are completely not on topic. There have been 5 or more post already in this thread with only @Corinthian posting any knowledgeable response to my post. I know they tell me to report them, but I m not that kind of person that reports children that don't know better.
Difficult to post something back to complete fabrications and nonsense really.
You get multiple responses from people calling you out on your garbled diatribe, yet you still carry on regardless.
Got to admire your steadfast ability to stick by your beleaguered principles.
I would be interested in seeing which players publicly called for Poch as manager though or said they explicitly wanted to play for him.
Really? says who ? which players ?
I think its an interesting topic. There's a weirdly ultra-negative feeling toward Poch on here and in the fan base in general. To be clear I wanted EtH but if we were going with this 'evolution not revolution' bullsh*t then we might just as well have had Poch who is a very good manager at working with limited resources and used to the premier league.
The positive thing about EtH so far is that the majority of fans know where the real problem at the club is whereas if it'd had been Poch they'd be calling for his head already rather than directing that anger at the Glazers and the club structure.
The positive thing about EtH so far is that the majority of fans know where the real problem at the club is whereas if it'd had been Poch they'd be calling for his head already rather than directing that anger at the Glazers and the club structure.
Biased much?
We would have had a better transfer window with Poch, and likely a better start. More familiar with the type of transfer structure than ETH is having dealt with Levy, and PL experience.
Let’s not do this to ourselves.
We could ask if things would be different if we finished on our glorious chances (Bruno and Rashford) v Brighton. We could ask ourselves if things would be different had committed the howler for the first goal and the horrifying pass to Eriksen for the second goal. The fan response would be quite different, I submit, had we not gifted away six points with mistake after mistake. I have no idea how to explain our dire finishing in the first match and two keeper mistakes in the first 20 minutes of the second match but these mistakes could have made under Poch as well.
We could ask if things would be different if we finished on our glorious chances (Bruno and Rashford) v Brighton. We could ask ourselves if things would be different had committed the howler for the first goal and the horrifying pass to Eriksen for the second goal. The fan response would be quite different, I submit, had we not gifted away six points with mistake after mistake. I have no idea how to explain our dire finishing in the first match and two keeper mistakes in the first 20 minutes of the second match but these mistakes could have made under Poch as well.
I don't see how it would be that different at all?
Pochettino was just the next cab off the rank in the eyes of the media, mainly because of a long term link to the club.
But let's be honest, he was neither compelling as a candidate, nor particularly poor. His career had been downtrending slightly but he did do some fantastic things with Spurs.
I fail to see what the huge difference would be 2 games in. In truth we may be speaking about two managers of a similar level. I think that's why they were a close run thing, it's just ETH had better recent form.
Pochettino was just the next cab off the rank in the eyes of the media, mainly because of a long term link to the club.
But let's be honest, he was neither compelling as a candidate, nor particularly poor. His career had been downtrending slightly but he did do some fantastic things with Spurs.
I fail to see what the huge difference would be 2 games in. In truth we may be speaking about two managers of a similar level. I think that's why they were a close run thing, it's just ETH had better recent form.
What do you mean? Biased towards what?
Heavily biased against Poch - if you read your post you would think Poch had never won anything and was a total disaster at every club he has been at.
I guess we wait 3 months to find out
We would've seen a lot more traction in the thread titled 'How different would the fan response be if Ten Hag was our manager'
Totally agree. I'm on record saying if we signed either ETH or Poch I'd be very happy and I'm 100% behind ETH but the criticism levelled at Poch still amazes me and if we had of started as badly under him this place would be creaming itself with I told you so. Whereas ETH is (rightfully) getting a free pass because of the (rightful) criticism levelled at the top but that excuse wouldn't apply to Poch. All we would be hearing would be how a good manager could get much more out of the players than he's presently getting.
That's actually a very valid point and very rarely discussed.
I think biased is the wrong word.
Ok, well how about 'distorted' or 'prejudiced'?
If you disagree with my opinions, then these words could fit:
- Exaggerated
- Over the top
- Radical
- Ridiculous
If he had those two results in his first two games? Worse
Mate you said he failed to win the league with PSG. That is not exaggerated, over the top or radical (though it is ridiculous I'll give you that) - it's either deeply (and deliberately) misleading or maybe you haven't been watching as he did win the league last season with PSG. He also won the Coupe de France as well. If you knew he won the league and decided to make your statement like you did then that evidences a clear and definitive bias against him because you deliberately failed to mention that he did actually win the league (and cup) after all.
He did. It’s not bias against him at all. That would be if I had some prior reason to hate him and try to turn people against him.
He went to PS fecking G and lost the league to Lille. How could we expect a manager like that to do anything with United? That’s why I said that expectations would be a lot lower with him here. Nothing against him. Just explaining why we wouldn’t have high hopes with someone with that track record in charge.
I don't think Pochettino will cling to a player that will very likely don't be transfered and isn't that bothered to join the team, or will be interested in chasing players like Arnautovic but who knows maybe he will come with his own dross set of players .
.He’d be coming into the same mess but I think his familiarity with the league might have meant we didn’t get spanked in our first two opening games.
ETH needs time and I still think we made the right choice in picking him. Perhaps even the losses are a blessing in disguise if it keeps the pressure on the Glazers.
ETH needs time and I still think we made the right choice in picking him. Perhaps even the losses are a blessing in disguise if it keeps the pressure on the Glazers.
Spineless man would suit Spineless board
There were reports I believe before ETH was hired that the preferred choice of the players was Poch, may be wrong though.
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I did not see any, but thats not to say there was none.
Ye think there was a few reports. Still I wasn't comparing the managers talent in any way, as i wanted ETH, I was more pointing towards the players mentality.
What's this thread all about? He has lost 2 games wow, I've heard nobody criticise EtH badly, we all know he inherited a mess of a squad and club needed re-structuring to help build back to where it needed to be.
The only criticism I can lay at his door was the Martinez at CB looks odd to me(which is his signing), thought it was a little naive to think it would be okay, but he is adjusting to the EPL, so I'm sure he will learn from that.
Doesn't help when you have Ronaldo actions/speculation, undermining your plans at every step of the way.
Pochettino would have faced the same challenges...
The only criticism I can lay at his door was the Martinez at CB looks odd to me(which is his signing), thought it was a little naive to think it would be okay, but he is adjusting to the EPL, so I'm sure he will learn from that.
Doesn't help when you have Ronaldo actions/speculation, undermining your plans at every step of the way.
Pochettino would have faced the same challenges...