How different would the fan response be if Pochettino was our manager

Fans would have gone in far harder on Poch. The vast majority wanted ETH. If Poch came in and started this bad, our fans would have blamed him and said we should have signed ETH.
Exactly. But not just him though but the entire club, he alongside Murtough and Arnold would have been called Glaziers minions, there would have been a full scale glazer out protest taking place at the moment.
 
The ex players in the media wanted him so the pundit and journalist support would be there, which would probably influence the fan support somewhat

Idk. Speaking personally for myself, who wanted ETH and not Poch, I have a lot of time for ETH and what he wants to do, so even with all the justified negativity around the club right now I don’t feel any of it towards ETH whatsoever. I am sure that would not have been the case with Poch since I didn’t want him here.
 
This forum is a funny place at times....you can see the clear influence of fan sites and social media wherever you look...

I am all for the appointment of ETH but this total dismissal of Pochettino's record is ridiculous. He did a great job at Southampton, a great job at Spurs and then did a fair job at PSG who are notoriously very tricky to manage (ask Tuchel)

Think of it this way...if Pochettino had managed Ajax, would he have won a few league titles? I suspect he would. However, if ETH had managed Southampton, Tottenham and PSG, would he have done as well as Pochettino? I think the jury is out on that one, I am less sure.

Most people wanted ETH because his teams played a very attractive, dominant brand of football. Poch at PSG played nothing of the sort, and if you go by what the PSG fans say if you watched all their matches it was generally even worse.
 
i know at least one fan that would be ecstatic.
 
Could be very different actually.

ETH was also my choice if he got the support required which clearly isn't there yet. Poch doesn't like working with a DOF and has his own team of people, who can say what transfers targets Poch and United could've went for? Perhaps Poch would've went for more attainable ones and we'd have them in before the season started and be 4-6 points better off right now.

With ETH I'm thinking/hoping we incur some pain but get the support in place and in 3 years are playing the football we really want at the top.
 
It may be better, (or not who know), performance wise. With Poch's PL experience, he may be more pragmatic, so we're learning it the hard way. However, it would likely head south in the longer run, given that Poch's philosophy has stagnated, and his reputation taken serious hit among higher profile players, so Poch has to rely on this incompetent recruitment team to support him. Poch himself is terrible with his personal signings. Poch is too weak personality to fight his boss, so he would easily be hung out dry.

So fans would likely enjoy the honey moon period, then some fans would grow too attached to him and blind to his eventual downfall.
 
Most fans made their minds up about Poch back when he was at Spurs, in large part because they didnt like Spurs having a better manager than us and so denigrated him at every turn. So if he'd come in and lost two games, they'd have been proven right in their own minds, and gone at him hard.

Interestingly though Poch seems to be a lot more favourably viewed in the media, who really loved him at Spurs and never really blamed him for his underwhelming time at PSG. ETH though seems to have few friends and it's noticeable how hard they've gone in on him from day one.

So it'd probably be flipped on its head - more stories about how much time its going to take under Poch but he's still the right guy; more threads on twitter, Reddit and the caf about how the manager has proven he's a flop and will never turn this round.
 
I think we should realise by now that the managers are only a small part of the problem.

Completely this, I even have revised my opinion of all our previous managers by this point.

They each made mistakes, but they all were brought into a situation which was set up for them to fail, with absolutely zero long term strategy in place and absolute incompetence in terms of day to day club leadership.
 
He'd be slaughtered, as would Ole if he spent £55m on a CB, dropped him in recklessly in the first game and then subbed him at half time the second game.
 
Media sentiment would be more positive
Fan sentiment (toward the manager) would be more negative
 
Ten Hag is the high potential choice as a manager who can develop a system to compete at the very top, but it's tougher to implement and has more teething issues. It's easier to implement a pragmatic system but it has a much lower ceiling. Pochettino here would probably have us start the season better (still likely have a garbage window), but would still be firmly outside the top 4 before the inevitable collapse due to us not being good enough.
 
Slightly off topic, but this post reminded me of something*. Its actually doing my head in and perhaps one of the older members can help: wasn't there a manager (not United) who went into a club and the first thing he did was order removal of all the old pictures, he got the big murals painted over and basically said to the team, that is history, we need to make our own history now (or words to that effect).

I think Erik Tern Hag should do something like that at Old Trafford.

*When I say reminded me, I can't actually think who it was, Brian Clough perhaps?

Sounds like Brain Clough at Leeds United but Joe Kinnear did the same sort of thing in 2004 when he took over at Forest - ironically Clough's old club!
 
With Poch, United maybe better in the short term. 4 years from now probably just around the same position as in the past few year. Genuinely believe United will be better off in the long term with EtH if he gets the chance.
 
Slightly off topic, but this post reminded me of something*. Its actually doing my head in and perhaps one of the older members can help: wasn't there a manager (not United) who went into a club and the first thing he did was order removal of all the old pictures, he got the big murals painted over and basically said to the team, that is history, we need to make our own history now (or words to that effect).

I think Erik Tern Hag should do something like that at Old Trafford.

*When I say reminded me, I can't actually think who it was, Brian Clough perhaps?

You can't do that at United because they just brought in Fergie, Gill and Robbo as an advisory committee. We want to live in the past.
A lot of people blame The Glazers and they are responsible for this fiasco but, they are not football people and the people they ask for advice are the people who are probably telling them to hire these incompetent people at the Club.
Told Arnold to change things around and he brought in Murtough and had some people sacked and Murtough has become a worse cock up than Woodward.
 
Slightly off topic, but this post reminded me of something*. Its actually doing my head in and perhaps one of the older members can help: wasn't there a manager (not United) who went into a club and the first thing he did was order removal of all the old pictures, he got the big murals painted over and basically said to the team, that is history, we need to make our own history now (or words to that effect).

I think Erik Tern Hag should do something like that at Old Trafford.

*When I say reminded me, I can't actually think who it was, Brian Clough perhaps?
 
I wanted Poch I’m a big fan.

But none of this is on ETH. We all know his targets haven’t been delivered and he’s been made to work within a budget. His star player is unhappy and wants out, the squad is so thin that we barely have backups for an already mediocre squad.

This summer has been one of the worst recruitment wise, we‘re now scrambling around trying to sign up players other clubs are trying to get rid of after 3 months of chasing a player most of us knew wasn’t going to join.

The players wont even run. If they won’t even do the basics that suggests to me they aren’t willing to do much the manager wants, the whole thing is toxic.

I just hope he’s given free reign. I don’t care if a player is on 200k a week they need the ‘Aubamayang’ treatment. Send them to train on their own, completely remove them from the squad and make them available for transfer until they feck off.
 
If we were in the same position as we are now? I think due to Pochettino's experience in the EPL, fans would have been a lot harder on him.

When you look at the mistakes ten Hag has made - perhaps where he's shown a hint of naivety, you probably wouldn't have seen that from Poch because he knows the league, etc. As a result, I do think we'd have gotten off to a better start, but I do still believe ten Hag is the better choice and I am fully behind him.
 
It shouldnt matter who the manager is, if we talking how fans view X manager.
 
It's about time our fans finally learned that it doesn't really matter who the coach is.

Pep wouldn't succeed with Arnold and Murtough ffs.

Time to tackle the real problem and stop scapegoating managers.
 
Where's @Amadaeus these days?
With Pochettino we would definitely be better. To keep it simple,

  1. The atmosphere will be less toxic because most of our players wanted him
  2. Our signing would have been better ( Pochettino is respected by many top players and can lure many talented individuals not average players. We wouldn't have signed the players ETH signed and get so many rejection. He would have also brought in a ball playing midfield as priority) heck he could have lure de Jong better than ETH because de Jong is an admire of his
  3. Pochettino can adapt to different system ( at psg and Spurs we have seen him use an alterations of 4 2 31, 4 3 3, 3 5 2, and in different styles. Counter and possession based. Eth seems to not be able to adapt)
  4. Has lot of success in top league and managing ego. Managed mbappe ego and gave him one of his best output seasons. Also at psg going unbeaten at home in a season with psg and reaching the semi finals. It will be interesting to how long till the next psg manager can achieve that. Moreover his record at Spurs has yet to be betten.
  5. Knows the league well. He had success with less at spurs and Southampton. United will be even easier than those with the amount of resource we had.

I am glad we got ETH because if Pochettino started of this badly, no doubt that this forum will be so toxic and there would have been a thread already calling for his sack.

ETH can suffer the same faith as nuno Santos if things doesn't improve fast.
 
With Pochettino we would definitely be better. To keep it simple,

  1. The atmosphere will be less toxic because most of our players wanted him
  2. Our signing would have been better ( Pochettino is respected by many top players and can lure many talented individuals not average players. We wouldn't have signed the players ETH signed and get so many rejection. He would have also brought in a ball playing midfield as priority) heck he could have lure de Jong better than ETH because de Jong is an admire of his
  3. Pochettino can adapt to different system ( at psg and Spurs we have seen him use an alterations of 4 2 31, 4 3 3, 3 5 2, and in different styles. Counter and possession based. Eth seems to not be able to adapt)
  4. Has lot of success in top league and managing ego. Managed mbappe ego and gave him one of his best output seasons. Also at psg going unbeaten at home in a season with psg and reaching the semi finals. It will be interesting to how long till the next psg manager can achieve that. Moreover his record at Spurs has yet to be betten.
  5. Knows the league well. He had success with less at spurs and Southampton. United will be even easier than those with the amount of resource we had.

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With Pochettino we would definitely be better. To keep it simple,

  1. The atmosphere will be less toxic because most of our players wanted him
  2. Our signing would have been better ( Pochettino is respected by many top players and can lure many talented individuals not average players. We wouldn't have signed the players ETH signed and get so many rejection. He would have also brought in a ball playing midfield as priority) heck he could have lure de Jong better than ETH because de Jong is an admire of his
  3. Pochettino can adapt to different system ( at psg and Spurs we have seen him use an alterations of 4 2 31, 4 3 3, 3 5 2, and in different styles. Counter and possession based. Eth seems to not be able to adapt)
  4. Has lot of success in top league and managing ego. Managed mbappe ego and gave him one of his best output seasons. Also at psg going unbeaten at home in a season with psg and reaching the semi finals. It will be interesting to how long till the next psg manager can achieve that. Moreover his record at Spurs has yet to be betten.
  5. Knows the league well. He had success with less at spurs and Southampton. United will be even easier than those with the amount of resource we had.
I was just wondering where you went pal, as I hadn't seen you post for a while.

Onto your points -

1&2) I think it's clear that whoever is in charge, the incompetence and toxic nature of the club (ie the hierarchy) will always bring you down. Poch, EtH, Pep - whoever is the man in the dugout he'd be working under the same conditions i.e. an incompetent duo in Murtough and Arnold, parasitic leech owners such as the Glazers, and a budget that will be diminishing year on year. The players are rejecting us because we have idiots running the club. EtH has his targets and we're failing to get any of them - that's not on the manager.

3) I think EtH is very adaptable based on the systems and formations he tinkered with in Ajax. But again it goes back to recruitment - you need the right type of player to make the right idea work. If you have the right idea and the wrong player, you're starting hamstrung.

4) Again - it's not to do with player egos. The background / board room / club structure / hierarchy is a toxic unmitigated clusterfeck. That wouldn't change if Poch would be in the dugout.

5) Yes, Poch does know the league well, but I don't think this is that important. First time managers to the league have been a success, and managers who've operated in this league for decades have been poor. It's a non-factor.
 
Ten Hag was clearly the fans choice, if Poch had got it and we had made this start... i dread to think.
I dread to think what would have happened had we signed Poch.....full stop! Hes a poser who couldnt even do well in the bargain basement that is French football.
 
With Pochettino we would definitely be better. To keep it simple,

  1. The atmosphere will be less toxic because most of our players wanted him
  2. Our signing would have been better ( Pochettino is respected by many top players and can lure many talented individuals not average players. We wouldn't have signed the players ETH signed and get so many rejection. He would have also brought in a ball playing midfield as priority) heck he could have lure de Jong better than ETH because de Jong is an admire of his
  3. Pochettino can adapt to different system ( at psg and Spurs we have seen him use an alterations of 4 2 31, 4 3 3, 3 5 2, and in different styles. Counter and possession based. Eth seems to not be able to adapt)
  4. Has lot of success in top league and managing ego. Managed mbappe ego and gave him one of his best output seasons. Also at psg going unbeaten at home in a season with psg and reaching the semi finals. It will be interesting to how long till the next psg manager can achieve that. Moreover his record at Spurs has yet to be betten.
  5. Knows the league well. He had success with less at spurs and Southampton. United will be even easier than those with the amount of resource we had.

I am glad we got ETH because if Pochettino started of this badly, no doubt that this forum will be so toxic and there would have been a thread already calling for his sack.

ETH can suffer the same faith as nuno Santos if things doesn't improve fast.


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The gift won't stop giving
 
I was just wondering where you went pal, as I hadn't seen you post for a while.

Onto your points -

1&2) I think it's clear that whoever is in charge, the incompetence and toxic nature of the club (ie the hierarchy) will always bring you down. Poch, EtH, Pep - whoever is the man in the dugout he'd be working under the same conditions i.e. an incompetent duo in Murtough and Arnold, parasitic leech owners such as the Glazers, and a budget that will be diminishing year on year. The players are rejecting us because we have idiots running the club. EtH has his targets and we're failing to get any of them - that's not on the manager.

3) I think EtH is very adaptable based on the systems and formations he tinkered with in Ajax. But again it goes back to recruitment - you need the right type of player to make the right idea work. If you have the right idea and the wrong player, you're starting hamstrung.

4) Again - it's not to do with player egos. The background / board room / club structure / hierarchy is a toxic unmitigated clusterfeck. That wouldn't change if Poch would be in the dugout.

5) Yes, Poch does know the league well, but I don't think this is that important. First time managers to the league have been a success, and managers who've operated in this league for decades have been poor. It's a non-factor.
1.) The atmosphere wasn't as toxic with Ole because he was a yes man. The player just wanted fresher idea and a more competent manager.
2.) It is not about the idiots running the club, but moreso our manager has not really accomplished anything to get recognition from other player. Have you seen a player saying that he is eager to play with ETH? I can show over 5 that has said that with Pochettino
3. I have never seen ETH be reactive and pragmatic. He has always seem to play one style. Even I have seen that with pep, when he played counter against poch psg.
4. It would if the players want to play for their manager and respect him
5. It is an important factor as you will know how other teams plays and you won't do something like play Martinez in a two man defense against a team that has a physical presence like Brentford amongst other things
 
The players definitely deserve to pick the manager. All that they have done for the club.
 
If we are trying this experiment, we should ask what would be the fan reaction if Ole was the manager
 
With Pochettino we would definitely be better. To keep it simple,

  1. The atmosphere will be less toxic because most of our players wanted him
  2. Our signing would have been better ( Pochettino is respected by many top players and can lure many talented individuals not average players. We wouldn't have signed the players ETH signed and get so many rejection. He would have also brought in a ball playing midfield as priority) heck he could have lure de Jong better than ETH because de Jong is an admire of his
  3. Pochettino can adapt to different system ( at psg and Spurs we have seen him use an alterations of 4 2 31, 4 3 3, 3 5 2, and in different styles. Counter and possession based. Eth seems to not be able to adapt)
  4. Has lot of success in top league and managing ego. Managed mbappe ego and gave him one of his best output seasons. Also at psg going unbeaten at home in a season with psg and reaching the semi finals. It will be interesting to how long till the next psg manager can achieve that. Moreover his record at Spurs has yet to be betten.
  5. Knows the league well. He had success with less at spurs and Southampton. United will be even easier than those with the amount of resource we had.

I am glad we got ETH because if Pochettino started of this badly, no doubt that this forum will be so toxic and there would have been a thread already calling for his sack.

ETH can suffer the same faith as nuno Santos if things doesn't improve fast.

-Now comes the part where we throw our heads back and laugh. Ready?
-Ready!
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Slightly off topic, but this post reminded me of something*. Its actually doing my head in and perhaps one of the older members can help: wasn't there a manager (not United) who went into a club and the first thing he did was order removal of all the old pictures, he got the big murals painted over and basically said to the team, that is history, we need to make our own history now (or words to that effect).

I think Erik Tern Hag should do something like that at Old Trafford.

*When I say reminded me, I can't actually think who it was, Brian Clough perhaps?

It was Howard Wilkinson at Leeds - he had all the pictures of the Revie team taken down so that the club would stop living in the past.
 
1.) The atmosphere wasn't as toxic with Ole because he was a yes man. The player just wanted fresher idea and a more competent manager.
2.) It is not about the idiots running the club, but moreso our manager has not really accomplished anything to get recognition from other player. Have you seen a player saying that he is eager to play with ETH? I can show over 5 that has said that with Pochettino
3. I have never seen ETH be reactive and pragmatic. He has always seem to play one style. Even I have seen that with pep, when he played counter against poch psg.
4. It would if the players want to play for their manager and respect him
5. It is an important factor as you will know how other teams plays and you won't do something like play Martinez in a two man defense against a team that has a physical presence like Brentford amongst other things
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Definitely contender for worst post of the year so far!