No they weren't.
Television House of the Dragon (GoT Prequel) - No book spoilers allowed
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I'm guessing they get even older at some point, so its better to rip this bandaid now rather than after a season or two where people are even more attached to the actors
Yeah it would look really bad eventually.
Started watching. Meh. Stopped watching.
Especially with using milly given her baby-face
Not sure if this has been litigated to death, but this is generally a very good YouTube channel and they summarise it very well, I think.
He wasn't punished because he is
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The problem is that you shouldn't need videos or massive discussions on forums so that book readers can explain major plot points to people who haven't read the books. If the show runners were competent this should all be explained in the show.
It's like, well hold on a minute he's getting sacked for punching the man who beat somebody to death last week? How's that right? Now people defending the show are going to come back, yes but this, that, or the other. If it's not shown in the show then that's poor writing.
Then there's the whole problem with the weirdo killing his entire family then confessing to the queen. That might get explained in the next episode but with how these episodes are being self contained and have massive time jumps between them I kind of doubt it.
The whole thing is a pretty mess.
Exactly, some of those arguments might make sense (most are ridiculously flimsy though), but if that's the level of knowledge of the universe required to make the tiniest modicum of sense of a plot point, then it's obvious the writing is not good enough.
Get over it, not every single detail is going to be spoon fed.
On this one I disagree, it was shown pretty explicitly. He got sacked because even the king is starting to hear rumours that he's the father of Rhaenyra's kids. That was all explained in the conversation between Harwin and his father.
Kings Guard punching/killing a randomer is not a punishable offence.
A City Guard punching a Kings Guard is a punishable offence. Paired with the murmurings of the affair it's pretty clear why he was banished from the capital.
It shouldn't surprise me on the Caf, but people really are moaning for the sake of it and nitpicking the most asinine points.
Is the show perfect, no; but it's far from bad and a cut above most fantasy inspired TV spin-offs.
Also the idea that the book readers are privy to some extra information is not true for HOTD. The whole period that has been adapted is covered in about 30 pages in a fake history book that is incredibly vague about events. While it helps to add some context a lot of events that have occurred have never been explicitly stated in the Fire and Blood book.
A City Guard punching a Kings Guard is a punishable offence. Paired with the murmurings of the affair it's pretty clear why he was banished from the capital.
It shouldn't surprise me on the Caf, but people really are moaning for the sake of it and nitpicking the most asinine points.
Is the show perfect, no; but it's far from bad and a cut above most fantasy inspired TV spin-offs.
Also the idea that the book readers are privy to some extra information is not true for HOTD. The whole period that has been adapted is covered in about 30 pages in a fake history book that is incredibly vague about events. While it helps to add some context a lot of events that have occurred have never been explicitly stated in the Fire and Blood book.
No what we heard when the king talked to his hand was that he wasn't going to accept his resignation because it would look bad for the princess. He couldn't sack him for sleeping with his daughter for the same reason. It would look bad on the princess.
Rhaenyra left Kings Landing because for this exact reason his sacking caused rumours about her children's parenthood to increase. So if you are saying he was sacked for that then it was obviously a very bad idea.
So where is this shown in the show? We have been shown that Cole is a nobody but not that Joffery is.
How is a Kings Guard a nobody? His previous life does not matter.
I'm talking about the conversation between Breakbones and his father, the hand of the king. Without Breakbones and with Leanor being generally uninterested, Rhaenyra goes to Dragonstone to be better protected. Symbolically as well it works because Dragonstone has typically been the seat of the Targaryen heir anyway.
Yeah I know but when the Hand talks to the King, the King he tells him that he had sacked the Commander of The City Watch because he struck a King's Guard. He then will not take the Hand's resignation because he will hear no mention of his daughter's improprieties. Now he made his brother Commander of The City Watch so was that such a slight on his brother by making him less than any member of the King's Guard?
Of course it does. It's just that Alicent has use for him so she kept him alive, otherwise he'd have been fecked.
So did sir cristen walk so Jorah Morman could run? The OG sir Friendzone
He did bang her, though
Lyonel Strong wants to take the opportunity to get Harwin away from Rhaenyra, because Breakbones is becoming far too loose with the secret of his children's parentage. That's the crux of the conversation between Lyonel and Harwin. Dismissing the commander of the City Watch for striking a Kingsguard is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. The Hand of the King resigning over it, however, would very much not be a reasonable thing to do and would raise a great deal of attention and scrutiny.
Regarding Daemon's position, the king was never going to name Daemon to the Kingsguard because Daemon would never accept it anyway; zero percent chance that dude would be content with a life of celibacy and with being disinherited. He'd also be a really really shitty KG member anyhow. The KG are held in very high esteem in large part because of the sacrifices they make when accepting the position - it's not really a direct hierarchy wherein the City Watch reports to the KG or anything.
He mostly named Daemon CotCW because Daemon was wreaking havoc everywhere and needed something to do with his time. As the brother of the king he's afforded a higher station than any KG or City Watchman anyways.
Agree with the post, though I think that Dance of Dragons is covered in roughly half of Fire and Blood (300 pages or so). Of course a lot of things there are only hinted, while in the show they are getting confirmed.
I think the show has been excellent so far, and I do not see how the timejumps would have been done differently.
True. More Sir Side piece.
Where do we hear this?
In Game of Thrones, which 99% of the people who watch this will have watched.
He is a complete nobody in the show. A KG is a very high position, regardless of his standing before he was knighted and took his KG vows.
We've been over this in the book thread. Joffrey was an unimportant person, who Corlys likely wanted dead due to the fact his son was in a secret, illegal affair with them.
Harwin attacking a KG is completely different. He is below him in all aspects. His punishment likely would have been worse had his father not been the Hand and taken the brunt of the punishment over his honour.
HBO is going to milk this cash cow dry. Jon Snow sequel will carry the original show forward and then quite a few prequels scheduled.
It's thoroughly documented in Game of Thrones - half of Tywin and Jaime's conversations are about it.
I see what you're saying vis a vis this show standing on its own but it's pretty clearly a spin-off. For me that changes the parameters a bit.
That is all old news and they aren’t scheduled, just in the developmental stage (last I heard) which doesn’t guarantee they’ll go into preproduction much less be scheduled.
They've been pitched, I'd be surprised if even half of the suggested shows get made.
The online backlash to the Jon Snow spin-off will probably kill that before it even gets off the ground.
I imagine they will explore more prequels as there is quite an extensive history available for show runners to reference.
I can't remember anything in GoT that said King's Guards could kill a man with impunity. Let alone striking a member of House Valerian.
The only one of those that should get made after HoD is Dunk & Egg (Snow is a horribly bad idea). It's by far the best option. It takes place pretty much exactly in between HoD and GoT so the landscape will be familiar but the characters different. It has some three excellent novellas already published with Martin at least having the outline for the 4th unpublished novella, the characters are iconic and really likable and/or fascinating and it gives a great opportunity to take us away from Kings Landing and into the trenches with hedge knights and common folk (in addition to some intrigue and politics). If each novella is a season I think it would be best at 6 or maybe 8 episodes (at a stretch) per season, definitely not 10. If they were smart, they would go with that because its a slam dunk!
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Well, one of them strikes a member of House Stark with impunity in front of the entire court and nothing happens to him, so...?
That is all old news and they aren’t scheduled, just in the developmental stage (last I heard) which doesn’t guarantee they’ll go into preproduction much less be scheduled.
This is from four days ago. It sounds like the Jon Snow is moving ahead as a limited series. I hope the series does not suffer fatigue like the Star Wars franchise is going through.
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/jon-snow-sequel-series-cast-emilia-clarke/amp
Tyrion threatens to have him killed by The Commander of The City Watch and the king ordered him to strike her.
That is all speculation, you’re still not giving us any news. Plus we already have a thread about it.
I agree. But they might seem a bit twee in comparison to GoT and HoTD.
It actually shocked me they decided to scrap The Long Night. That seems like a sure fire hit, most fans of the show loved the WW storyline. It would also promise to give the much requested backstory to their origin. I can only assume Martin has asked such things not to be revealed as they're important in the books, or it felt too much like The Walking Dead in a medieval setting.
Agree about The Long Night. After Dunk & Egg that would have been my next choice for the next show. Walking Dead was super popular in the first few season so that might not be a bad thing and for me, Martin lost all rights to save things for the books when he decided to spend so much time developing TV shows and not finishing his books!
The Long Night was scrapped because it was too different from the original show. No dragons, no Targaryens, no Iron Throne, almost none of the main families. According to an HBO person, “Having a show that’s pure invention and had George scratching his head at various moments was troubling at times.”
They also probably panicked a bit about negative reaction to the last season and so went with the most GoTy thing they could go with, down to having literally the same theme song.
They also probably panicked a bit about negative reaction to the last season and so went with the most GoTy thing they could go with, down to having literally the same theme song.
I feel like distancing themselves from GoT as much as possible after S8 would have been a good choice.
I'm enjoying HoTD, but it is GoT-lite. It has purists complaining about aspects, it's carried over bad habits from the later seasons (namely time jumps) and generally has weaker dialogue.
Moving back to an era that was so far removed from the story we saw would have given then a chance to allow angry fans time to get over S8 and reboot the series.
But the comment you posted kind of matches with what I've suspected. HBO want Martin's involvement and to be available as a consultant for his universe. While the WW started as an allegory for global warming, I feel that story has gotten away from him and he's struggling to resolve it in a satisfactory way. Which is why we got the shit show of the Long Night episode and why the books are nowhere to be seen over a decade since the last one.
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