Television House of the Dragon (GoT Prequel) - No book spoilers allowed

I'm liking the pacing within the episodes but I'm not a fan of the time-jumps between episodes.

Rhaenyra is my favourite character, her scenes were very good.

The battle at the end was a bit silly - couldn't do anything over 3 years then suddenly everything clicks with the perfect plan?!

Not sure if it's because I've watched Rings of Power, but the CGI looks ordinary. I'm sure it was better in GoT.
 
This seems like a clever and intriguing show.. and then stuff like that stupid battle happens. Both naff writing and naff production.
 
Jev said:
I mean, the plot armour on Daemon is one thing ... but the plan sort of makes sense. The Crabfeeders have been hiding in their caves where dragons can't go, repelling attacks easily enough because of the bottleneck nature of their hideout. The plan was to use Daemon as bait to lure them out, and have the rest of the army (including dragon) ready to pounce. Not that far-fetched to me.

I really liked the battle and while I grew a bit weary of Viserys' indecisiveness this episode, it was generally another solid entry into what has been a surprisingly strong start to this show.
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Nah not buying that. How did they get on to the island? How did the dragons just show up? How did they know Daemon would survive long enough to get all them lured out? Why the feck did they ALL come out just for Daemon after he was already injured by 2 arrows?

It was so dumb, I rolled my eyes at the whole fecking thing. Whoever came up with it is an idiot.
 
ha_rooney said:
I'm liking the pacing within the episodes but I'm not a fan of the time-jumps between episodes.

Rhaenyra is my favourite character, her scenes were very good.

The battle at the end was a bit silly - couldn't do anything over 3 years then suddenly everything clicks with the perfect plan?!

Not sure if it's because I've watched Rings of Power, but the CGI looks ordinary. I'm sure it was better in GoT.
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It was crap in GoT until season 6. Remember the Neverending Story sequence? For a long time they would completely avoid showing battles entirely.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Nah not buying that. How did they get on to the island? How did the dragons just show up? How did they know Daemon would survive long enough to get all them lured out? Why the feck did they ALL come out just for Daemon after he was already injured by 2 arrows?

It was so dumb, I rolled my eyes at the whole fecking thing. Whoever came up with it is an idiot.
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One of their key soldiers is a dragon rider. The rest of the army will have been close behind Daemon, on standby. This was the plan after all, as discussed right before the messenger arrived, not just Daemon going rogue. It was clearly supposed to be a suicide mission, hence why they hadn't tried it before now, which just miraculously worked. As for not arriving before Daemon was hurt, clearly everyone was blaming him for the war and the losses. The priority was not to save him.
 
Jev said:
One of their key soldiers is a dragon rider. The rest of the army will have been close behind Daemon, on standby. This was the plan after all, as discussed right before the messenger arrived, not just Daemon going rogue. It was clearly supposed to be a suicide mission, hence why they hadn't tried it before now, which just miraculously worked. As for not arriving before Daemon was hurt, clearly everyone was blaming him for the war and the losses. The priority was not to save him.
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“Miraculously worked”. :lol: Doesn’t that tell you yourself how stupid the battle was?
 
Why didn't the crab boys just stay in their caves letting Daemon swing his flag around?
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Because he was hiding in caves, rendering Daemon and his dragon somewhat impotent. They made a clear illustration of this right from the start.
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That's just fecking stupid. Daemon and Corlys can just blockade the whole island. The dragon is basically a walking nuclear bomb with an attached radar device that can survey an entire field km's away. What's stopping them from just starving them to death in their caves or just blow the passages into dust, trapping them inside? The whole plotline was beyond stupid, culminating with Daemon's anime charge against an entire army to somehow kill the bad guy mummy. It reminded me so much of GOT S8.
 
It was also a bit strange to have the boss fight happen off screen.
 
Sviken said:
That's just fecking stupid. Daemon and Corlys can just blockade the whole island. The dragon is basically a walking nuclear bomb with an attached radar device that can survey an entire field km's away. What's stopping them from just starving them to death in their caves or just blow the passages into dust, trapping them inside? The whole plotline was beyond stupid, culminating with Daemon's anime charge against an entire army to somehow kill the bad guy mummy. It reminded me so much of GOT S8.
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Well the dragon doesn’t matter much as his ‘nuclear bomb’ doesn’t have bunker busting capability which, again, I thought was pretty clearly shown.

I agree the plot line was stupid to build up this Crab guy only to be rendered useless by Daemon going full Rambo, and I thought it was the weakest part of the episode. But reading too much into action sequences will often render them useless.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Well the dragon doesn’t matter much as his ‘nuclear bomb’ doesn’t have bunker busting capability which, again, I thought was pretty clearly shown.
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But the dragon is pretty useful in terms of blockading the island. What would the Crabfeeder have done then? Starve to death or get immolated? One of the few hings the latter seasons of GOT did well is showcase how devastating the dragons can be. Aegon basically conquered the entirety of Westeros and their entire armies with just three dragons, but here we're to believe that 2 dragons can't deal with a bunch of ragtag pirates? It devalues the entire strength of the Targaryens and the whole plotline was just stupid and unecessary. Feels like it was only done to showcase how "badass" Daemon is, but it only made me think how stupid the whole thing was. It prioritizes entertainment value over logic, similar to S5-S8 of GOT.
 
Sviken said:
That's just fecking stupid. Daemon and Corlys can just blockade the whole island. The dragon is basically a walking nuclear bomb with an attached radar device that can survey an entire field km's away. What's stopping them from just starving them to death in their caves or just blow the passages into dust, trapping them inside? The whole plotline was beyond stupid, culminating with Daemon's anime charge against an entire army to somehow kill the bad guy mummy. It reminded me so much of GOT S8.
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Indeed. I thought they'll spare us this Rambo shit at least in the beginning.
 
Sviken said:
But the dragon is pretty useful in terms of blockading the island. What would the Crabfeeder have done then? Starve to death or get immolated? One of the few hings the latter seasons of GOT did well is showcase how devastating the dragons can be. Aegon basically conquered the entirety of Westeros and their entire armies with just three dragons, but here we're to believe that 2 dragons can't deal with a bunch of ragtag pirates? It devalues the entire strength of the Targaryens and the whole plotline was just stupid and unecessary. Feels like it was only done to showcase how "badass" Daemon is, but it only made me think how stupid the whole thing was. It prioritizes entertainment value over logic, similar to S5-S8 of GOT.
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They only had one dragon up until that point, and his rider walked alone onto the beach and pretended to surrender which is why the whole thing worked.

I agree it was weak sauce and pointless, just not for some of the reasons presented.
 
The battle was kinda awful, wasn't it? The politics in the show have been very strong. The actors also doing a very good job.
 
Revan said:
The battle was kinda awful, wasn't it? The politics in the show have been very strong. The actors also doing a very good job.
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Yeah it was. The plot armour was very clear and it's unfortunate as they had many routes they could have gone down. Really poor writing.

Reminds me of that YouTube channel: whole army of pirates? Barely an inconvenience.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
House of Marvel.
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Was gonna post something similar.

Enjoyed that episode a lot up until the end. Viserys is a great character. The actor does a great job portraying the weight of the world on his shoulders.

But that Daemon suicide charge was dumb. 50 guys shooting arrows at him and he takes out 20-25 guys on foot? Then the "Woooooo" dragon stuff? Piss off with that Marvel wankery.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Nah not buying that. How did they get on to the island? How did the dragons just show up? How did they know Daemon would survive long enough to get all them lured out? Why the feck did they ALL come out just for Daemon after he was already injured by 2 arrows?

It was so dumb, I rolled my eyes at the whole fecking thing. Whoever came up with it is an idiot.
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I interpreted it as Daemon breaking ranks.

He was supposed to lure them all out with a fake surrender and then the army and dragon attack when they're out of cover. But Daemon decided to go peak Jon Snow and take the army on himself. It did ruin what could have potentially been a good battle scene.

I agree with the time jumps. They're very jarring as they're never signposted.
 
a lot of people are glossing over the main problem. yeah the pacing and time jumps are a little jarring, some of the acting is a little wooden when compared to some of the better performances. yes, the writing cuts corners to reach outcomes but the main issues is we’ve barely had a hint of nipple and absolutely no glimpse of any quim, thus far.
 
rimaldo said:
a lot of people are glossing over the main problem. yeah the pacing and time jumps are a little jarring, some of the acting is a little wooden when compared to some of the better performances. yes, the writing cuts corners to reach outcomes but the main issues is we’ve barely had a hint of nipple and absolutely no glimpse of any quim, thus far.
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:lol:
 
The battle was a bit ********. They could've achieved the end goal of Daemon as the 'hero' without dragon power via other methods, if this was the goal. But the mini-storyline itself was fine.
 
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The battle plan didn't really make any sense. So they've hid out in the caves for 3 years but Daemon fakes surrender once and they lure them all out? Why wouldn't they have just stayed in the caves once they realized he wasn't actually surrendering?
 
Sviken said:
But the dragon is pretty useful in terms of blockading the island. What would the Crabfeeder have done then? Starve to death or get immolated? One of the few hings the latter seasons of GOT did well is showcase how devastating the dragons can be. Aegon basically conquered the entirety of Westeros and their entire armies with just three dragons, but here we're to believe that 2 dragons can't deal with a bunch of ragtag pirates? It devalues the entire strength of the Targaryens and the whole plotline was just stupid and unecessary. Feels like it was only done to showcase how "badass" Daemon is, but it only made me think how stupid the whole thing was. It prioritizes entertainment value over logic, similar to S5-S8 of GOT.
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Yes because there is absolutely no real world evidence of a global superpower being humbled by a guerrilla force that knows the terrain better.
 
Well, that was disappointing. I think I’d agree with most in here. I thought everything in the episode up until the last battle was good - I was enjoying it. Milly Alcock and Paddy Considine are great together and I would have been happy if the episode was just mostly that.

And then the battle happened. Yeah, it wasn’t great. This was basically GoT at its worst. It was just so silly and very reminiscent of whatever Marvel product that gets shit out seemingly every week. Absolutely zero jeopardy for the main character, ridiculous plot armour, and a superhuman ability to take on an army by oneself, while also dodging hundreds of arrows from archers who also happen to have the high ground. I mean, the guy is literally surrounded by these missiles raining down on him, and the worst thing that happens is he takes one to the knee.

And then, of course, we get the very dramatic music swell as our main character meets certain death, as there’s absolutely no way he can get out of -- oh, and here’s the dragon to sweep everyone aside.

Honestly, they may as well have had this battle off-screen. That’s the thought I had when watching it. Just have news that the battle at the Stepstones is over and Daemon was victorious.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Yes because there is absolutely no real world evidence of a global superpower being humbled by a guerrilla force that knows the terrain better.
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To be fair, they're not waging evasive guerrilla warfare across a large land mass, they're huddled up in some caves on a shitty little island. It's not even a mystery which caves they're in, they practically have signs above them. The whole premise was a bit ridiculous.
 
Anyone know if bloodraven will feature on the series?
 
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