Surely Januzaj counts too.
"Home Grown" players at City
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Assume so so added him in.
Anderson isn't home grown, Henriques is under 21 and don't have to be registered. I've added 4 players from the list above, we have 12 foreign players and 14 home growns.
Was referring to @mufcwarm92. He didn't list JanuzajHe's only 19, don't have to be registered
And he will count as homegrown at United.
That the likes of Fabregas are considered "home grown" is dumb. He was "grown" at Barca.
It encourages 'human trafficking' of underage players. The thing Barca got transfer banned for 2 weeks or so earlier this year.
Fabregas counts.
Jovetic is looking good for them in this pre-season so far, I would be surpassed if they would let him go, considering Aguero's fitness problems last year.
And they're likely to sign Mangala too, so 19 players.
Has been said before.
Fabregas counts.
Hadn't read that far but thanks for the heads up.
Henriquez will qualify this year, Anderson only did 2 seasons before he turned 21, so no. Interesting fact he played more games his first season at 18, than he ever did again.
"The future", "The way forward", "The modern club", "Great for the game and for Manchester".
City are planning to buy Mangala as well, right?
Really can't see them letting Jovetic go, unless he is home sick. He has been injured throughout his entire time at City.
He was also one of the top talents in the world at Fiorentina before he joined.
If he can stay fit, he could become a top class player. Not sure how big of an 'if' that is about his fitness though. Definitely worth keeping surely.
Loved watching him in Italy. Was gutted when City got him.
Yup that would be fine!
Now I know why Chelsea needed him!Fabregas counts.
17 who are considered over 21 years of age according to how the rules works. They could in theory of course have many under 21's they could use.
Overall considering that the rule has been in place for what is it 4 seasons now plus it was announced almost a full year before implemented, plus there were many discussion amongst the clubs in creating the rule, I doubt many clubs will find themselves running afoul of this rule. Anyone who does, should instantly fire those involved in managing their squad make up.
Doesn't matter if he is our product or not.
Has it already been mentioned that Fabregas counts for Chelsea?
In here no, cause United don't have any problems with the rule in europe, which are different. So it won't matter for us...
Well I know it's only pre-season but he's been on fire. One of those I'd like to see do well despite him playing for City.
by time he hits 21 he will.
They'll probably still be banned, it's just delayed pending appeal at the minute. But yeah, unfortunately you can poach youngsters without penalty as long as they're moving within the EU like Cesc.
And that's exactly the reason why City and Chelsea are the two favourites for the title this season.
City seem to be heading in the right direction though, at the moment it's looking bad, but in the next few years I'm sure there academy will produce a few home-grown players to use in the squad. I was reading an interview by Viera on his involvement with the EDS, pretty good.
They've based it similarly to United when Fergie came. Can only be positive for them.
Also, in my local area, City seem the most prominent in establishing links with the Schools. No wonder my class mates got into City under 15s etc. They even have a especially school for them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nchester-City-core-group-English-players.html
They've based it similarly to United when Fergie came. Can only be positive for them.
Also, in my local area, City seem the most prominent in establishing links with the Schools. No wonder my class mates got into City under 15s etc. They even have a especially school for them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nchester-City-core-group-English-players.html
Patrick Vieira is building a bright future at Manchester City... with a core group of English players
In broiling heat on the western tip of Croatia, Patrick Vieira is demanding that little bit more from his young Manchester City players.
‘Come on, come on, come on,’ he urges, with increasing cadence, as his elite development squad — or reserve team, in old money — play a two-touch, six-a-side game. ‘It’s hot, you are tired. Keep the ball. Never lose it.’
Vieira’s proteges, along with the Under 18 group, coached by former Blackburn winger Jason Wilcox, are in the quaint coastal town of Novigrad for a 10-day training camp set against the panoramic backdrop of the Adriatic Sea.
‘It’s not an army barracks but it’s also not five-star luxury and glam,’ says Mark Allen, head of the academy. ‘It offers the boys a taste, but we keep them grounded.’
‘We have a motto here,’ Wilcox begins. ‘Great person, great footballer. That means punctuality, appearance, work ethic, respect. You speak to cleaners how you speak to the manager.
‘You shake hands with every member of staff in the morning and when they leave at night. It’s vital.’
At the club’s Carrington training ground in Manchester, discipline is instilled in these young men. If they forget an item of kit, whether it be their water bottle or shin pads, they will not train. If they are late for a team meeting on match-day, they will not play.
‘It is basic good manners,’ Allen says, his face gleaming with pride. ‘Socks are rolled up, shirts are tucked in. I have a great picture where there are two players about to come on for England at youth level. You can tell immediately which one is a City player. His shirt is tidy, his shorts are right, shinpads are correct. It shows they are listening.’
There is a conscious effort to shield these teenagers from the trappings of fame. While adidas are already sponsoring some of City’s English 17-year-olds and agents have free rein to handpick the region’s finest talent, they are also given cookery and driving awareness classes.
City are looking to nurture players from the cradle to the gravy train of the Premier League but in the boardroom they recognise that improvement is required.
Since the Abu Dhabi takeover in the summer of 2008, no player has graduated from the City academy to cement a place in the first team squad.
Last September, City defeated Manchester United with 10 overseas, outfield players. English players Jack Rodwell — who signed for Sunderland on Tuesday — and Scott Sinclair started nine Premier League matches between them since signing two years ago.
‘We want to bring talent through our academy into our first team,’ says Vieira. ‘There are no borders in football but if there are seven or eight Manchester boys, then fantastic.’
Certainly, the potential is there: 30 of the 46 players in Croatia hail from the UK or Ireland. Light blue is increasingly the dominant colour in many of England’s young dressing rooms.
‘We had seven under-16s in the England squad last year,’ Wilcox reveals. ‘That was a record for us. We have some incredibly talented English players. Brandon Barker, Ashley Smith-Brown, Angus Gunn, Kean Bryan, Tosin Adarabioyo. The players are coming through.
‘Below the under-18 group, over 90 per cent of our academy is English. Recently we offered eight professional contracts and six of those are English boys.
‘Four of those six are local boys. It’s the ideal scenario but the wider you spread the net, the more chance you have of finding the gem.’
The seeds of talent are beginning to germinate. Last season, City’s Under 11s and Under 14s were national champions and the Under 18 side were northern league winners. Under Vieira, an Under 19 side reached the quarter-final of the UEFA Youth League. A 6-0 victory over Bayern Munich reverberated around Europe, with five English names on the team sheet.
Most are yet to be seen in the first team squad, something Vieira attributes to the ‘massive’ gap between youth competitions and the demands of elite football. It is why City are thought to remain receptive to discussions over B-teams in the lower tiers.
As the authorities prevaricate, City are single-minded in their aspiration and little encapsulates the journey from chip-fat to caviar quite like the money and dedication flowing into this academy.
Having invested heavily in the first team, securing two Premier League titles in three years, Sheik Mansour is now hard at work on City’s foundations.
Later this year, the £150m City Football Academy will open, a stone’s throw from the Etihad Stadium, where Tony Blair once intended to build a Super Casino.
It will boast facilities unrivalled in the English game and Rick Owen, a club kit man for more than 20 years, reflects: ‘We used to train on council pitches and do pre-season at a school between Stoke and Crewe. How times change.’
On this summer morning, it is a breathless training session in sticky, cloying conditions and Vieira has become irritated, noticing that his players have become attracted to the ball.
‘Stop, stop,’ he orders, his players freezing instantly. ‘Look at yourselves. Ten of you, all bunched together! How can you play like this? Look for the space, make the pitch bigger.’ He motions, spreading out his hands.
‘The boys need to understand this,’ Vieira insists. ‘When you have the ball, the pitch must be as big as possible. If you lose it, make it as tight as possible and then seven seconds, maximum, to win it back.
‘The best teams have a quick recovery. When you press, it is the whole team, high and fast, even the goalkeeper. Watch Manuel Neuer — unbelievable, he is like an old No 5. But he wasn’t born this way, he trained hard. If we start early, we can create these players.’
This, in a nutshell, is the club’s philosophy: an intoxicating brand of high-tempo, passing football that has been outlined by Allen, sporting director Txiki Begiristain and academy director Brian Marwood.
It is the identity that City now encourage at all levels, from the Under-11 group to the first team under Manuel Pellegrini.
Allen expands: ‘When I took the job four years ago I outlined a 10-year plan to really start to see a group of talent coming through together all playing the City way.
‘Cycles take time. In the late 90s it was France, then Spain, now Germany. Our moment will arrive.’
‘The numbers will not lie,’ Vieira concedes, puffing out his cheeks. ‘We have to make a report in 10 years on how many players are in the first team. Then we can say we did it right or we did it wrong.’
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- Vieira looks to replicate German model, creating stars such as Manuel Neuer
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In broiling heat on the western tip of Croatia, Patrick Vieira is demanding that little bit more from his young Manchester City players.
‘Come on, come on, come on,’ he urges, with increasing cadence, as his elite development squad — or reserve team, in old money — play a two-touch, six-a-side game. ‘It’s hot, you are tired. Keep the ball. Never lose it.’
Vieira’s proteges, along with the Under 18 group, coached by former Blackburn winger Jason Wilcox, are in the quaint coastal town of Novigrad for a 10-day training camp set against the panoramic backdrop of the Adriatic Sea.
‘It’s not an army barracks but it’s also not five-star luxury and glam,’ says Mark Allen, head of the academy. ‘It offers the boys a taste, but we keep them grounded.’
‘We have a motto here,’ Wilcox begins. ‘Great person, great footballer. That means punctuality, appearance, work ethic, respect. You speak to cleaners how you speak to the manager.
‘You shake hands with every member of staff in the morning and when they leave at night. It’s vital.’
At the club’s Carrington training ground in Manchester, discipline is instilled in these young men. If they forget an item of kit, whether it be their water bottle or shin pads, they will not train. If they are late for a team meeting on match-day, they will not play.
‘It is basic good manners,’ Allen says, his face gleaming with pride. ‘Socks are rolled up, shirts are tucked in. I have a great picture where there are two players about to come on for England at youth level. You can tell immediately which one is a City player. His shirt is tidy, his shorts are right, shinpads are correct. It shows they are listening.’
There is a conscious effort to shield these teenagers from the trappings of fame. While adidas are already sponsoring some of City’s English 17-year-olds and agents have free rein to handpick the region’s finest talent, they are also given cookery and driving awareness classes.
City are looking to nurture players from the cradle to the gravy train of the Premier League but in the boardroom they recognise that improvement is required.
Since the Abu Dhabi takeover in the summer of 2008, no player has graduated from the City academy to cement a place in the first team squad.
Last September, City defeated Manchester United with 10 overseas, outfield players. English players Jack Rodwell — who signed for Sunderland on Tuesday — and Scott Sinclair started nine Premier League matches between them since signing two years ago.
‘We want to bring talent through our academy into our first team,’ says Vieira. ‘There are no borders in football but if there are seven or eight Manchester boys, then fantastic.’
Certainly, the potential is there: 30 of the 46 players in Croatia hail from the UK or Ireland. Light blue is increasingly the dominant colour in many of England’s young dressing rooms.
‘We had seven under-16s in the England squad last year,’ Wilcox reveals. ‘That was a record for us. We have some incredibly talented English players. Brandon Barker, Ashley Smith-Brown, Angus Gunn, Kean Bryan, Tosin Adarabioyo. The players are coming through.
‘Below the under-18 group, over 90 per cent of our academy is English. Recently we offered eight professional contracts and six of those are English boys.
‘Four of those six are local boys. It’s the ideal scenario but the wider you spread the net, the more chance you have of finding the gem.’
The seeds of talent are beginning to germinate. Last season, City’s Under 11s and Under 14s were national champions and the Under 18 side were northern league winners. Under Vieira, an Under 19 side reached the quarter-final of the UEFA Youth League. A 6-0 victory over Bayern Munich reverberated around Europe, with five English names on the team sheet.
Most are yet to be seen in the first team squad, something Vieira attributes to the ‘massive’ gap between youth competitions and the demands of elite football. It is why City are thought to remain receptive to discussions over B-teams in the lower tiers.
As the authorities prevaricate, City are single-minded in their aspiration and little encapsulates the journey from chip-fat to caviar quite like the money and dedication flowing into this academy.
Having invested heavily in the first team, securing two Premier League titles in three years, Sheik Mansour is now hard at work on City’s foundations.
Later this year, the £150m City Football Academy will open, a stone’s throw from the Etihad Stadium, where Tony Blair once intended to build a Super Casino.
It will boast facilities unrivalled in the English game and Rick Owen, a club kit man for more than 20 years, reflects: ‘We used to train on council pitches and do pre-season at a school between Stoke and Crewe. How times change.’
On this summer morning, it is a breathless training session in sticky, cloying conditions and Vieira has become irritated, noticing that his players have become attracted to the ball.
‘Stop, stop,’ he orders, his players freezing instantly. ‘Look at yourselves. Ten of you, all bunched together! How can you play like this? Look for the space, make the pitch bigger.’ He motions, spreading out his hands.
‘The boys need to understand this,’ Vieira insists. ‘When you have the ball, the pitch must be as big as possible. If you lose it, make it as tight as possible and then seven seconds, maximum, to win it back.
‘The best teams have a quick recovery. When you press, it is the whole team, high and fast, even the goalkeeper. Watch Manuel Neuer — unbelievable, he is like an old No 5. But he wasn’t born this way, he trained hard. If we start early, we can create these players.’
This, in a nutshell, is the club’s philosophy: an intoxicating brand of high-tempo, passing football that has been outlined by Allen, sporting director Txiki Begiristain and academy director Brian Marwood.
It is the identity that City now encourage at all levels, from the Under-11 group to the first team under Manuel Pellegrini.
Allen expands: ‘When I took the job four years ago I outlined a 10-year plan to really start to see a group of talent coming through together all playing the City way.
‘Cycles take time. In the late 90s it was France, then Spain, now Germany. Our moment will arrive.’
‘The numbers will not lie,’ Vieira concedes, puffing out his cheeks. ‘We have to make a report in 10 years on how many players are in the first team. Then we can say we did it right or we did it wrong.’
Zouma is 19 so would not have to be registered would he?
Courtois counts as homegrown doesn't he... Signed for Chelsea in 2011 and only 22 now
Correct about Zouma. You have to play in the club for 36 months before you turn 21, so Courtois don't count as home grown.
Zouma isn't of an age where he has to be registered. And I should imagine that Courtois has been in England for less than 200 days. He's been loaned out ever since his signing, so no, he's not homegrown.
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I don't think it matters, as long as he's registered in England.
Depends on if you think people stop growing at 16.
No, depends on if you give Barca all the credit for making him the player he is. I think Arsenal deserve their share of credit too. So I don't think it's stupid, but it should stay within the laws and UEFA rules re 'human trafficking'.
No idea about the human trafficking element but I wouldn't give Barca the entire credit for making Fabregas the player he is today. The player is a product of the Premier League as far as I can see and can see why he is seen as "home grown".
Agreed.
Left Barcelona just after he turned 16. Spent a similar amount of time at both clubs.
In which years do you grow the most as a footballer. 10-16 or 16-21? I'd say definitely the latter. He's an Arsenal product. He never fit in at Barca ffs. That's why he got sold. If he were grown there he would have fit in.
Well surely he'd have been registered to Athletico when he played for them and since you can't be registered to two clubs at the same time then he's not gaining any days on his Chelsea registration. He's not home-grown, I'm sure of it.
I don't think it matters as he would still technically be a Chelsea player (whilst loaned out). However, I don't think he would have been a Chelsea player for 36 months before his 21st birthday anyway, so he wouldn't count as homegrown?
on FM at least he is just HG not Club HG, United have I think one of the best HG/English squads in the league in that respect