"Home Grown" players at City

Carl

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They seem to be flogging English players at a pretty alarming rate. Already gone this Summer are Lescott, Barry and Rodwell and reportedly Richards and Sinclair are available. Not to mention it looks like Milner won't be signing a new deal.

What home grown players does that actually leave them without dipping into the youth set up?

Hart, Lampard (until Jan), ....?

Firstly, I find this approach to be pretty disgraceful but secondly how are they meeting the quota?

It surely means that some of those that want to leave will likely be forced to stay knowing that they're never likely to ever actually be in the squad.
 
So next season it's very likely that Joe Hart will be their only English player in the entire squad :wenger:

Looks like they're gunna have to go on another spending spree where they purchase decent English players purely for the purpose of fluffing up the squad. So a rule that was actually suppose to help Engliglish players develop seems to actually be hurting the development pf those who choose to go there.
 
Well there isn't really a quota for homegrown players, as in, you don't 'need' them. They can have 17 'A' players of any nationality, creed, colour or religion and up to 8 additional 'A' players who are 'home grown'.

In Europe they can only name 15 'A' players of any nationality, creed, colour or religion and up to 6 additional 'A' players who are 'home grown'.

So who are the 15/17 A players who aren't homegrown.
 
Carl said:
So next season it's very likely that Joe Hart will be their only English player in the entire squad :wenger:

Looks like they're gunna have to go on another spending spree where they purchase decent English players purely for the purpose of fluffing up the squad. So a rule that was actually suppose to help Engliglish players develop seems to actually be hurting the development pf those who choose to go there.
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Very good point here about the homegrown rule having the adverse effect.

So City will need to buy English players to put in their squad. Those players will undoubtedly do a 'Scott Sinclair' and vanish of the face of the earth.

I can personally see them going all out for Sterling next summer when Liverpool fail to qualify for the champions league. Atleast he is good enough to be more than just a squad filler for them.
 
rcoobc said:
Well there isn't really a quota for homegrown players, as in, you don't 'need' them. They can have 17 'A' players of any nationality, creed, colour or religion and up to 8 additional 'A' players who are 'home grown'.

In Europe they can only name 15 'A' players of any nationality, creed, colour or religion and up to 6 additional 'A' players who are 'home grown'.

So who are the 15/17 A players who aren't homegrown.
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You've clearly got a good understanding of the complexities around this rule Robo. I thought they had to register a certain amount of "home grown" players for their domestic squad?

Twigginater said:
Clichy counts as home grown
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Ah yes, of course he will.

paceme said:
Doesn't Sagan count as homegrown?
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I wouldn't have thought so. He was only brought over to the country by Arsenal in his mid 20s wasn't he?
 
Johan77 said:
They have:

Hart
Richards*
Clichy
Milner*
Sinclair*
Wright
Boyata
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Richard fecking Wright?? :lol: Jesus...

I've put an * next to those expected to leave in the next 12 months. Isn't Boyata available also?
 
Non-homegrown players currently in their squad:

Caballero
Kompany
Demichelis
Zabaleta
Kolarov
Fernando
Sagna
Nasri
Negredo
Dzeko
Aguero
Garcia
Navas
Silva
Fernandinho
Toure
Jovetic
Nastasic

18 players so 1 too many but they'll let Garcia go I imagine while Jovetic and Nastasic look available too.
 
@rcoobc So if I follow your post a team could theoretically have zero "home grown" players in their squad but it would limit their domestic squad size to just 17?
 
I must admit, it is a bit of a joke really. I want to avoid going with the whole "how can you be an english club without any english players?" thing, but when there's literally one in your squad something isn't quite right. Are we really that bad as football these days?
 
No idea about Boyata.

But rcoobc said, you don't HAVE to register 8 home growns, but not more than 17 foreign players
 
Sarni said:
Non-homegrown players currently in their squad:

Caballero
Kompany
Demichelis
Zabaleta
Kolarov
Fernando
Sagna
Nasri
Negredo
Dzeko
Aguero
Garcia
Navas
Silva
Fernandinho
Toure
Jovetic
Nastasic

18 players so 1 too many but they'll let Garcia go I imagine while Jovetic and Nastasic look available too.
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What makes you say Nastasic and jovetic are available? Not heard anything about that. Not seen much of Jovetic but think Nastasic has the qualities to become a quality CB one day. Jovetic has apparently had a really good pre-season too.
 
In Champions League the rules are a little different. You can still not have more than 17 foreign players, but out of the 8 home growns, 4 of them must also be own products.
However City was punished, as rcoobc wrote above.
 
Sagna does not count as homegrown. The players in City's squad who currently count as homegrown are:
Hart
Richards
Milner
Sinclair
Clichy
Wright
Boyata
 
The, ofcourse, we have the "b-list", players under 21 (born before january 1st 1993) who don't need to be registered at all.
 
Turnip said:
I must admit, it is a bit of a joke really. I want to avoid going with the whole "how can you be an english club without any english players?" thing, but when there's literally one in your squad something isn't quite right. Are we really that bad as football these days?
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Yes.
 
If I count correctly, Chelsea has fewer, only 3 (Cahill, Terry and Moses)
 
Carl said:
What makes you say Nastasic and jovetic are available? Not heard anything about that. Not seen much of Jovetic but think Nastasic has the qualities to become a quality CB one day. Jovetic has apparently had a really good pre-season too.
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Jovetic has been linked with some Italian clubs I think and Nastasic has been linked with Arsenal among others. They have to let someone go. Garcia is a sure bet.
 
This is why we need to be careful about throwing money around. An English club with barely any Englishman in it is embarrassing.
 
The rule in Europe is, if you want to nominate 25 players, you got to have at least 4 HG players from your own club, right?
 
There's a 25 players squad rule in England, right? City doesn't have to register 25 players, however they have to leave space if they don't have enough players trained in England (between 18 and 21 years if I'm not mistaken). Similar thing is with CL, however, it requires 4 players trained in club. Nationality doesn't matter, that's why Rafael counts as trained by the club for United. If if they don't have enough those type od players, they have to leave space for each one. They did it last season in CL. They had 22 players only IIRC.
 
Ling said:
There's a 25 players squad rule in England, right? City doesn't have to register 25 players, however they have to leave space if they don't have enough players trained in England (between 18 and 21 years if I'm not mistaken). Similar thing is with CL, however, it requires 4 players trained in club. Nationality doesn't matter, that's why Rafael counts as trained by the club for United. If if they don't have enough those type od players, they have to leave space for each one. They did it last season in CL. They had 22 players only IIRC.
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It's between 15 and 21 and the player has to be registered for the club.
 
Fabregas counts as homegrown for Chelsea as well I think.
 
Spielmacher said:
And Rooney does count as HG at United, right?
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Home grown yes, but not sure if he counts as United's own product. He turned 19 in october 2004, he joined us in august that year, so don't believe he counts as an own product
 
Johan77 said:
Home grown yes, but not sure if he counts as United's own product. He turned 19 in october 2004, he joined us in august that year, so don't believe he counts as an own product
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I'm not sure.
A home-grown player will be defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the Season during which he turns 21).
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Same would count for HG at club I imagine, so he should count as homegrown at United.

Edit: Or not, just counted the months.
 
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Turnip said:
I must admit, it is a bit of a joke really. I want to avoid going with the whole "how can you be an english club without any english players?" thing, but when there's literally one in your squad something isn't quite right. Are we really that bad as football these days?
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Yes you are.
 
So Chelsea then.

Cech
Courtois
Schwarzer
Ivanovic
Azpilicueta
Felipe Luis
Zouma
Mikel
Matic
Ramires
Van Ginkel
Oscar
Willian
Hazard
Schurrle
Salah
Costa
Torres
Drogba

That's 19 and doesn't include a load of players they loaned out last year. Just Fabregas, Terry, Cahill and Moses to add to that, and Moses is probably off.
 
United obviously have no problem with it but nonetheless:

De Gea
Lindegaard
Fellaini
Herrera
Mata
Kagawa
Valencia
Nani
Van Persie
Hernandez

Not sure if Henriquez and Anderson count as homegrown or not. Big list of home growns though.

Amos
Jones
Evans
Smalling
Rafael
Fletcher
Carrick
Cleverley
Young
Zaha
Rooney
Welbeck

Home grown u21s too:

Johnstone
M Keane
Blackett
Shaw
Lingard
Powell
Januzaj
Lawrence
Wilson
W Keane
 
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mufcwarm92 said:
So Chelsea then.

Cech
Courtois
Schwarzer
Ivanovic
Azpilicueta
Felipe Luis
Zouma
Mikel
Matic
Ramires
Van Ginkel
Oscar
Willian
Hazard
Schurrle
Salah
Costa
Torres
Drogba

That's 19 and doesn't include a load of players they loaned out last year. Just Fabregas, Terry, Cahill and Moses to add to that, and Moses is probably off.
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So Chelsea HAVE to get rid of 2 players, or not register them. My guess is that Van Ginkel will be loaned out and Mikel sold.
 
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