Yes, and he is deadly. Because he’s very good AND plays in a well drilled team!
Hojlund or Zirkzee as first choice striker?
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Both of them are shit but we need to start Zirkzee and bring Hojlund off the bench against most teams. Hojlund can start against Championship level teams we meet in the Europa league.
At this present time neither are going to give us what we need, a 25 goals a season striker. Saying that Hojlund is the better of the two to play main striker. Hopefully Ruben can coach them both to be a lot better, or more realistically get us a proven scorer in, in the summer.
personally I'd give Obi Martin a chance
Wheatley is ahead of Obi Martin in the Academy pecking order at the moment - although he's not having the best season
Obi Martin only just moved from U18 to U21
Wheatley is goingbthrough a barren spell at the moment
What does this mean by the way?
I never see him beat an offside trap or make runs in behind the defence and the only time i ever see him running is when the team has cut open a counterattack where its Hojlund vs the last defender on the half way line and then Hojlund goes on a fast paced run like a raging bull. Its very similar to how the likes of Garnacho or Rashford do or used to play aswell.
Thats the only way i ever see Hojlund run other than when he is pressing very energetically.
Think I would be inclined to give Zirkzee a run in the team now. He looks like a competition winner at times, but I think he would get more out of the players around him than Hojlund would. I think we have seen enough of Hojlund now to have a good idea of the player he is. He may fare better coming off the bench against more tired legs too.
Ye I did edit that but let's see Chido deliver at U21 before talking about first team
It's a tough one. Hojlund doesn't even look like a footballer most of the time, but scores "1 in 2". Zirkzee looks like a better fit for a team that wants to play actual football but would also challenge Casemiro for last place in a sprint competition.
I don't mind either as I don't think either of them will be here long term anyway.
I don't mind either as I don't think either of them will be here long term anyway.
Well, he's played 191 minutes under Amorim so far, and 79 of those were against Arsenal where we could barely progress beyond our own half.
I'd like to wait a bit for us to get collectively better and for the new coach to get his ideas across to the players, and then I think we'll see Hojlund score more goals that are similar to the ones he scored at Atalanta or Sturm Graz, where he did make more use of this aspect of his game, and it did actually earn his team some goals.
I'd go with Rasmus out of the two, think he has much more of a strikers instinct. A lot of Zirkzee's best work comes in the 2nd third of the pitch rather than the final third.
The question is Zirkzee or another player and that answer is pretty much always going to be another player..... In this case Hojlund.
Definitely Hojlund of the two. Bringing in a new striker will not help either unless we massively improve our attacking players around him.
I'd like to really see Zirkzee being given a run before we rule him out as a flop. I think with Bruno, Rashford and Garnacho, getting goals on the break is still our most potent way of attacking. Ten Hag for all his faults identified that nailing the transitional moments is the best way for us to score and I think Amorim will discover this too.
We don't have the technical quality we need from the two #10s to receive the ball in really tight spaces and do something with it. Neither do we have the midfield excellence to find these #10s in space. Failing that, the threat has to come from the wing backs with really good crossing or on transition.
We don't have the technical quality we need from the two #10s to receive the ball in really tight spaces and do something with it. Neither do we have the midfield excellence to find these #10s in space. Failing that, the threat has to come from the wing backs with really good crossing or on transition.
Not even close. Zirkzee actually a striker, a bad one. No. 10 is Bruno. Probably Amorim tries him as a No.10 but his native position is CF.
Let's play Zirkzee as a 10 and Hojlund as striker. ZZ is better than Rashford and Garnacho in that role. That means we need Amad at RWB and Shaw/Garnacho at LWB to make up for the lack of speed and quickness with both ZZ, Hojlund and Bruno playing.
In the summer, though, find better options.
In the summer, though, find better options.
Not sold on either, but was encouraged that Zirkzee proved he has a few goals in him. Suspect Amorim will still favor Rasmus, but won't hesitate to sub Zirkzee into league games, and also give him a lot of minutes as the fixtures pile up.
I think it depends what you want, I don't either is hugely better than the other but different. Rasmus will give you work rate, holding up the ball and quite clinical but his movement is poor and his link up play isn't great, Zirkzee has great link up play and finds space well but doesn't have the same clinical ability or work rate, I think Rasmus has a higher ceiling but it's up to him how far he goes.
I think we need a striker of a higher ability for the here and now though, too long we worry about "Stifling" a player's development but it should be what is best for Manchester United.
I think we need a striker of a higher ability for the here and now though, too long we worry about "Stifling" a player's development but it should be what is best for Manchester United.
I think this debate has well and truly ended now. Hojlund isn't perfect and we could buy a better replacement, but by God he is miles better than that statue.
Hojlund is better and a more natural CF but neither is good enough to be a starter.
Rashford and it's not even a competition
Both are rubbish.
Genuinely think Maguire would outscore them both if he played uptop.
It’s sickening we sold McTominay and replaced him with Zirkzee. McSauce would be scoring goals as one of the #10s
Genuinely think Maguire would outscore them both if he played uptop.
It’s sickening we sold McTominay and replaced him with Zirkzee. McSauce would be scoring goals as one of the #10s
I like Rasmus, but he gets no service at all.
I am so tired of watching up play the long ball game. Trying to hit hollywood passes every single time we get the ball. We are a lost club and in need of a reset. Im not worried about relegation but I am worried about us being a low table team for the next couple of years.
I am so tired of watching up play the long ball game. Trying to hit hollywood passes every single time we get the ball. We are a lost club and in need of a reset. Im not worried about relegation but I am worried about us being a low table team for the next couple of years.
Yes I’d say at the moment Rashford would score more than either of these two due to being more experienced and his willingness to take on lots of pot shots.
Nonsense comment. If you think Maguire could play as a striker I can only assume you started watching football yesterday.
Hojlund scores 1 in 3 which is not a terrible return for a striker but he clearly needs to be the backup to a senior partner and not first choice which is a problem of our recruitment. McTominay would do fine as a 10 I agree but the reason he found so much space to score last season was because of the runs Hojlund was making to pull defenders out of position. Hojlund actually suits this system quite well but it is not currently working because the supply into the attacking third is almost non existent which is why despite another striker being needed it is not as important as sorting out a LWB and an effective left sided 10.
Hojlund. Ive no idea why given our struggle for goals lasts season someone thought Zirkzee was the answer.
Ivan Toney was available but we go for some raw, none centre forward with lttle track record. Why?
Ivan Toney was available but we go for some raw, none centre forward with lttle track record. Why?
Because the club is run by fecking idiots - management, scouting, INEOS, etc - genuine fecking idiots
Ivan Toney wasn't the answer either, there's a reason why no PL club went for him, his goalscoring record isn't that good when you take out penalties + the baggage he would have come with
Hojlund is a reasonably talented striker starved of service and always extremely isolated.
Unfortunately in recent games his few touches have yielded nothing at all, but his redeeming quality is his work rate and the fact he clearly cares.
Zirkzee is quite obviously not a number 9, but the difficult thing with him is when it’s not going well his play style looks so much worse because he’s immobile and languid.
In hindsight neither player should be at United but you’ll get more from Hojlund in the long term. His record in Europe is a building block at the very least.
Unfortunately in recent games his few touches have yielded nothing at all, but his redeeming quality is his work rate and the fact he clearly cares.
Zirkzee is quite obviously not a number 9, but the difficult thing with him is when it’s not going well his play style looks so much worse because he’s immobile and languid.
In hindsight neither player should be at United but you’ll get more from Hojlund in the long term. His record in Europe is a building block at the very least.
Not in the premier league. This is pure nostalgia.
Re. the thread title, Hojlund is better but ideally would be a sub behind someone better. 70 million is expensive for someone who is not first choice.
Zirkzee is not a striker and not good enough to make any impact in England.
I said when we signed Hojlund he's not a striker ! Had a few negative responses on here saying he was? I haven't seen a striker at all in him , he's weak with back to goal can't bully defenders he can finish if he gets a chance but there few and far between. He's a back up striker Macheda class that's all ..
As a number 9? It certainly is a competition (whatever that means.) Rashford is woeful in that position
He absolutely should've been brought in with a more experienced Striker to learn off instead of being thrown into the spotlight at 20/21 while still very raw and coming up against very experienced defenders. Where is a Prime RVP when you need one.
Also we paid 70 million for the potential of him being a world beater come 25, but that has been massively stunted due to him being the only real choice for our #9 in the starting 11.
I still believe he will come good but he's too raw and it's too soon for him.
Rasmus is good and has a lot of potential, but we really need an experienced striker to take pressure off him, and to be a mentor to him.
Zirkzee isn’t even a striker, slow, clumsy. A really limited footballer such as Antony or Depay before him.
Zirkzee isn’t even a striker, slow, clumsy. A really limited footballer such as Antony or Depay before him.
Out of teams starting strikers, I think only Everton and Southampton have worse than us.
Hojlunds a very poor mans Lukaku, and Zirkzee is a man down.
Likes of Delap, Vardy, Mateta etc down the bottom end of the league are way better than our 2.
Hojlunds a very poor mans Lukaku, and Zirkzee is a man down.
Likes of Delap, Vardy, Mateta etc down the bottom end of the league are way better than our 2.
Manchester United’s latest striker signings cost almost 100m with one costing nearly twice as much as the other. Which one cost more?
Mind boggling that we’ve spent 100m on two strikers who cannot score goals nor create goal scoring chances.
Is Woordward still secretly calling the shots at Old Trafford?
Is Woordward still secretly calling the shots at Old Trafford?