Hojlund or Zirkzee as first choice striker?

Both of them are shit but we need to start Zirkzee and bring Hojlund off the bench against most teams. Hojlund can start against Championship level teams we meet in the Europa league.
 
At this present time neither are going to give us what we need, a 25 goals a season striker. Saying that Hojlund is the better of the two to play main striker. Hopefully Ruben can coach them both to be a lot better, or more realistically get us a proven scorer in, in the summer.
 
dutchred said:
personally I'd give Obi Martin a chance
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Wheatley is ahead of Obi Martin in the Academy pecking order at the moment - although he's not having the best season

Obi Martin only just moved from U18 to U21
 
Rood said:
Wheatley is ahead of Obi Martin in the Academy pecking order at the moment

Obi Martin only just moved from U18 to U21
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Wheatley is goingbthrough a barren spell at the moment
 
Rojofiam said:
Hojlund easily. Better finisher, can run the channels, has very good pace and power. He will bag a lot of goals IMO as soon as we become a bit better collectively. Much better in the box as well. Overall an incredibly valuable #9 profile, especially for Amorim's system.

Honestly it's the perfect match. If we didn't have Hojlund and started looking for suitable strikers for our new head coach, the Dane would've been on top of our shortlist.

Zirkzee will never be the first choice #9 under Amorim.
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What does this mean by the way?

I never see him beat an offside trap or make runs in behind the defence and the only time i ever see him running is when the team has cut open a counterattack where its Hojlund vs the last defender on the half way line and then Hojlund goes on a fast paced run like a raging bull. Its very similar to how the likes of Garnacho or Rashford do or used to play aswell.

Thats the only way i ever see Hojlund run other than when he is pressing very energetically.
 
Think I would be inclined to give Zirkzee a run in the team now. He looks like a competition winner at times, but I think he would get more out of the players around him than Hojlund would. I think we have seen enough of Hojlund now to have a good idea of the player he is. He may fare better coming off the bench against more tired legs too.
 
It's a tough one. Hojlund doesn't even look like a footballer most of the time, but scores "1 in 2". Zirkzee looks like a better fit for a team that wants to play actual football but would also challenge Casemiro for last place in a sprint competition.
I don't mind either as I don't think either of them will be here long term anyway.
 
Shaw's Shank Redemption said:
What does this mean by the way?

I never see him beat an offside trap or make runs in behind the defence and the only time i ever see him running is when the team has cut open a counterattack where its Hojlund vs the last defender on the half way line and then Hojlund goes on a fast paced run like a raging bull. Its very similar to how the likes of Garnacho or Rashford do or used to play aswell.

Thats the only way i ever see Hojlund run other than when he is pressing very energetically.
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Well, he's played 191 minutes under Amorim so far, and 79 of those were against Arsenal where we could barely progress beyond our own half.

I'd like to wait a bit for us to get collectively better and for the new coach to get his ideas across to the players, and then I think we'll see Hojlund score more goals that are similar to the ones he scored at Atalanta or Sturm Graz, where he did make more use of this aspect of his game, and it did actually earn his team some goals.
 
I'd go with Rasmus out of the two, think he has much more of a strikers instinct. A lot of Zirkzee's best work comes in the 2nd third of the pitch rather than the final third.
 
Definitely Hojlund of the two. Bringing in a new striker will not help either unless we massively improve our attacking players around him.
 
I'd like to really see Zirkzee being given a run before we rule him out as a flop. I think with Bruno, Rashford and Garnacho, getting goals on the break is still our most potent way of attacking. Ten Hag for all his faults identified that nailing the transitional moments is the best way for us to score and I think Amorim will discover this too.

We don't have the technical quality we need from the two #10s to receive the ball in really tight spaces and do something with it. Neither do we have the midfield excellence to find these #10s in space. Failing that, the threat has to come from the wing backs with really good crossing or on transition.
 
Let's play Zirkzee as a 10 and Hojlund as striker. ZZ is better than Rashford and Garnacho in that role. That means we need Amad at RWB and Shaw/Garnacho at LWB to make up for the lack of speed and quickness with both ZZ, Hojlund and Bruno playing.

In the summer, though, find better options.
 
Walrus said:
Yes yes, it should be Gyokeres. Yes yes, they are both rubbish. Et cetera.

Between the two, for the rest of the season and assuming we dont sign another striker in January, who gets the nod? Clearly Hojlund is the more athletic of the two and arguably has a higher ceiling, but there are questions about his technique, his game sense and his strange desire to constantly wrestle defenders.

Zirkzee meanwhile has been public enemy number one for most of the season, but there is an argument that stylistically, he fits better in Amorim's system, with the two overlapping 10's behind him. There are serious questions about his languid style and work rate.

Hojlund is younger, and will surely improve over the years to come. That doesnt necessarily mean he should have all the pressure on him right now to be leading the line - we saw last season that he isnt the finished article yet and may never be.

Out of the two, who would your go-to be for the remainder of the season as the #9 in Amorim's 3-4-3?
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Not sold on either, but was encouraged that Zirkzee proved he has a few goals in him. Suspect Amorim will still favor Rasmus, but won't hesitate to sub Zirkzee into league games, and also give him a lot of minutes as the fixtures pile up.
 
I think it depends what you want, I don't either is hugely better than the other but different. Rasmus will give you work rate, holding up the ball and quite clinical but his movement is poor and his link up play isn't great, Zirkzee has great link up play and finds space well but doesn't have the same clinical ability or work rate, I think Rasmus has a higher ceiling but it's up to him how far he goes.

I think we need a striker of a higher ability for the here and now though, too long we worry about "Stifling" a player's development but it should be what is best for Manchester United.
 
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