Hojlund or Zirkzee as first choice striker?

I'd stick any striker from our reserves in for a few games rather than these two.
 
ClassOf'99 said:
This would only work i believe with either a change to 2 up top or Hojlund at the 10 making runs off Zirkzee, as we need the ST to hold up play (ZZ is better at this) and then for players to run in behind (Hojlund is better at this)

So maybe this would work

-------------------Zirkzee
-----------Hojlund - Bruno
Dorgu-Mainoo-Ugarte-Amad
-----Martinez-Maguire-Maz
--‐----------------Onana

But of the two I'd rather we got in an experienced striker, and sent one or both on loan, ideally to Italy to get their stock and confidence up before making a decision to sell
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Mental.
 
ClassOf'99 said:
This would only work i believe with either a change to 2 up top or Hojlund at the 10 making runs off Zirkzee, as we need the ST to hold up play (ZZ is better at this) and then for players to run in behind (Hojlund is better at this)

So maybe this would work

-------------------Zirkzee
-----------Hojlund - Bruno
Dorgu-Mainoo-Ugarte-Amad
-----Martinez-Maguire-Maz
--‐----------------Onana

But of the two I'd rather we got in an experienced striker, and sent one or both on loan, ideally to Italy to get their stock and confidence up before making a decision to sell
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I like it, as they're both rubbish, play them both. 2 negatives make a positive
 
SecondFig said:
In the most recent Devil in the Details podcast Carl Anka mentioned that Hojlund has scored 2 Premier League goals from an XG of 2.3. Zirkzee isn't much better. The main issue we have isn't that our strikers are missing tons of chances (they're not) - they're not getting chances. Sure, a chunk of that is on them - they could make better runs, link play better etc. But the bigger picture is that our tactics, our team, just isn't creating chances for our strikers
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But that's partly because of them also, as they are both shit at creating an attacking threat up top, which makes teams confident of pressing our team high up and not let any passing tempo going.
 
The two boys are still learning with brutal service and no one to learn from.

I’d near bring Cavani back to teach them movement
 
CG1010 said:
But that's partly because of them also, as they are both shit at creating an attacking threat up top, which makes teams confident of pressing our team high up and not let any passing tempo going.
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Yeah, and I said that a chunk of this problem is down to them - but as a team we're not creating chances so my point is that, while both could do a lot more/lot better, the problem is bigger than just "we need to buy a better striker"
 
Am I being harsh or has Hojlund so far been just about the worst signing in premier league history? £72m 2 goals in 20 appearances.

I dont even blame the player. What is he meant to do? Decline a transfer? But his quality is so short of a Man Utd first choice striker.
 
PlasticRed said:
Am I being harsh or has Hojlund so far been just about the worst signing in premier league history? £72m 2 goals in 20 appearances.

I dont even blame the player. What is he meant to do? Decline a transfer? But his quality is so short of a Man Utd first choice striker.
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What about his goals last season, do they not count? He is not the worst transfer in the Premier league let alone United. Mount has been a much worse signing for example.
 
Zirkzee is clearly the more skilled player

Neither are good enough to be starting games for a PL team at this present time
 
For the remainder of the season it should be Hoglund up front, we need to look at Zirkzee as a 10 and decide if he is a replacement for Bruno.
 
After this season, fecking neither of them. Both absolute donkeys.
 
Neither of them are bad players. In fact, if you asked Everton fans, many would have likely told you that Beto was underwhelming—but Moyes has come in and instantly improved him. That, to me, is exactly what a manager should be doing. Unfortunately, Amorim hasn’t been able to achieve the same impact.
 
Why continue to start either of these two is beyond me, might as well play Chido Obi because at least he has high potential and can learn. Can't be any worse than 2 players that offer nothing.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Neither of them are bad players. In fact, if you asked Everton fans, many would have likely told you that Beto was underwhelming—but Moyes has come in and instantly improved him. That, to me, is exactly what a manager should be doing. Unfortunately, Amorim hasn’t been able to achieve the same impact.
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Beto has at least the physical traits to be some sort of nuisance. He is strong, can hold the ball and can out jump his defenders
 
The reason there is so much focus on Højlund is that he is quite obviously the biggest problem in the starting eleven. That says a lot, considering there are plenty of other issues to choose from.

United are in a situation where they have no strikers. They are the worst-equipped team in that position in the entire Premier League. Højlund will be playing in Belgium or for a mid-table club in Germany in a year. He cost 70 million!!!!! This is the worst transfer in history. Antony is twice as good as Højlund.
I've honestly forgotten what Højlund is even supposed to be good at. Watching him play, he is more or less below average at everything a Premier League striker needs to be good at.
He loses EVERY duel, is never available for passes, and has extremely poor touches. Even though he's fast, he almost never makes deep runs and constantly makes the wrong movements. Weghorst would be an upgrade.

Amorim looks like someone who needs to be hospitalized for deep depression. And you can’t blame him, given the shit show he's walked into. Nothing is working at United.
You can't even offload the players in the squad. I simply can't see United returning to the top of English football in the next three years.

Hopefully, they just haven't figured out the system yet, because right now, it's an absolute mess. United are the easiest team to play against. There are acres of space in midfield, and they are completely toothless in their buildup. I have no idea what they are even trying to do. Drop back into a five-man defense and boot the ball forward—if they haven't already given it away in front of their own box. Seriously, what are they trying to do???
 
kouroux said:
Beto has at least the physical traits to be some sort of nuisance. He is strong, can hold the ball and can out jump his defenders
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Which is one of the key things you need to be able to do in the PL. Something that Hojlund is really bad at. The ball gets played up to him and it just comes right back at us. He's appartently really quick but you never see him try and make any Michael Owen style runs with good movement, he's always too interested in battling with the opposition CB (which he loses).

Zirkzee is probably a better fit as he can hold up the ball, but he also is absolutely dogshit in the penalty area. Quite a problem we have.

I'd stick in Chido next week and see what he can do as a starter. As honestly the other two are causing us more problems than providing solutions.
 
RedSky said:
Which is one of the key things you need to be able to do in the PL. Something that Hojlund is really bad at. The ball gets played up to him and it just comes right back at us. He's appartently really quick but you never see him try and make any Michael Owen style runs with good movement, he's always too interested in battling with the opposition CB (which he loses).

Zirkzee is probably a better fit as he can hold up the ball, but he also is absolutely dogshit in the penalty area. Quite a problem we have.

I'd stick in Chido next week and see what he can do as a starter. As honestly the other two are causing us more problems than providing solutions.
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Exactly. That specific aspect of the game can help bring the team forward, build an attack and maybe create a chance for him.
It's so basic and so frustrating that he can't do that.
 
kouroux said:
Those qualities were always there, the physical ones. That's something to work with at least. Hojlund gets bullied by every single CBs he plays against
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I’d question whether they’re being used effectively. As I mentioned, Hojlund and Zirkzee are not poor players—likely not the strikers who’ll win us a league, but I’d bet that if Beto had started for us today and Hojlund had been up top for Everton, we would have seen just as good, if not better, a performance from Hojlund, while Beto would have struggled.

The truth is, most, if not all, of our players are severely lacking in confidence, and it's been evident on the pitch. Everton, on the other hand, are full of confidence right now, which is why they’re delivering strong performances and scoring goals.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I’d question whether they’re being used effectively. As I mentioned, Hojlund and Zirkzee are not poor players—likely not the strikers who’ll win us a league, but I’d bet that if Beto had started for us today and Hojlund had been up top for Everton, we would have seen just as good, if not better, a performance from Hojlund, while Beto would have struggled.

The truth is, most, if not all, of our players are severely lacking in confidence, and it's been evident on the pitch. Everton, on the other hand, are full of confidence right now, which is why they’re delivering strong performances and scoring goals.
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Whether or not that scenario would happen is something but one thing cannot be denied, Beto is stronger and more of a fighter than Hojlund. That has nothing to do with how their teams generally play.
I'm talking about a very specific aspect of forward play.
 
I think the answer remains, neither.

Zirkzee does well in a gap away from actual defenders where he gets a touch, pulls off a trick and usually gives the ball away immediately after.

Hojlund is devoid of anything right now and looks a broken man short of ability, confidence, fortitude, ideas, strength…anything.

So by default if you put a gun to my head and I HAD to pick one it would be Zirkzee, but he’s still an awful player.
 
kouroux said:
Whether or not that scenario would happen is something but one thing cannot be denied, Beto is stronger and more of a fighter than Hojlund. That has nothing to do with how their teams generally play.
I'm talking about a very specific aspect of forward play.
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My point is that he wasn't showing that before. This is the same player who couldn’t even get into the team ahead of an injury-ridden Calvert-Lewin and was poor in the U21 game. Confidence is everything, and right now, our strikers are seriously lacking it.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
My point is that he wasn't showing that before. This is the same player who couldn’t even get into the team ahead of an injury-ridden Calvert-Lewin and was poor in the U21 game. Confidence is everything, and right now, our strikers are seriously lacking it.
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I don't agree, Beto has never lacked strength and fight. That has nothing or very little to do with confidence. It's part of his game
 
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