Hojlund/Kolo-Muani

Because he scored them? Have your stats only got the league goals and it's somehow not occurred to you that sometimes players play in more than one competition?

Well you clearly only took Højlunds goals from the league so why would you add more competitions for Kolo's goals??
 
Well you clearly only took Højlunds goals from the league so why would you add more competitions for Kolo's goals??
No, that was all comps, as well. He's only got 9 in Serie A.

Anything else you'd like to get wrong?
 
If G*eenw*od is coming back then Kolo. We saw how our attacking was in Ole season 2 and Kolo is just another version of Martial with more pressing, current dribbling ability, creativity &effort. McCarthy will teach him to finish a bit better.


Rashford - Kolo - *reen*ood
Mount - Bruno
Casemiro

If not then Hojlund.

I also think we can find the better version of Hojlund next season but we probably won’t find the better version of Kolo Muani if players like Kane are not available.
Even if Greenwood does come back, he will have zero impact on our season. He's lost a year and a half of development, how's he going to just waltz back into the side.
 
No, that was all comps, as well. He's only got 9 in Serie A.

Anything else you'd like to get wrong?

It wasnt. He has scored several goals for Denmark this season. So clearly not all comps.
 
I'm a big RKM fan, but I think if it was just to be one, Hojlund would be my choice as he is a unique profile on ST we currently do not have on the books and with massive scope for improvement.
 
The fees for both are exorbitant relevant to their quality and potential I would say, from the very little I have seen.

Don't think I would be in a huge rush to stump up for either, even with our need for a centre forward. Due to us doing business previously with Atalanta I would guess it will be Hojlund though, hope the support are patient with him.
 
Mostly shows the lack of options in the market for strikers. Not many good ones about.
 
Happy enough with either - if the price is acceptable.

Would obviously have preferred level above strikers like Kane or Osimhen, but given their price, and Levy's stubbornness, understandable why we'd have to move onto the tier below.

Hojlund and Muani, while different, would both be decent options and so long as we don't have to pay an 'elite' level transfer fee then I'd be happy enough with either. Though, just about edging towards preferring Hojlund.
 
Hojlund seems something very different to what we have.

Muani fits somewhere between a Rashford/Martial style, neat and tidy but not an out and out striker. Hojlund seems a bit of a battering ram.
 
Mostly shows the lack of options in the market for strikers. Not many good ones about.

Id be taking Vlahovic, Martinez and Ferguson seriously. We desperately need a striker, even if Rashford will be the starter. It hampered us massively last season
 
The fees for both are exorbitant relevant to their quality and potential I would say, from the very little I have seen.

Don't think I would be in a huge rush to stump up for either, even with our need for a centre forward. Due to us doing business previously with Atalanta I would guess it will be Hojlund though, hope the support are patient with him.

Højlund has incredible potential but you'd basically be paying for the potential more than what he can offer right now. He's very talented but extremely raw too. But in a world where Real Madrid are paying 60M for a totally unproven 16 year old, maybe 70-80M for a much more developed and experienced Højlund isn't so bad.
 
Id be taking Vlahovic, Martinez and Ferguson seriously. We desperately need a striker, even if Rashford will be the starter. It hampered us massively last season
Vlahovic barely showed anything better than Hojlund last season and will likely cost more

Martinez doesn’t want to leave Inter and I doubt they’ll even entertain the idea if we are going to take Onana from them

Ferguson is 18 and just signed a contract until 2028, why would Brighton entertain a bid right now? Why would he, he’s at good place to develop

The market is dreadful which is why the prices are high and we have so little options
 
Højlund has incredible potential but you'd basically be paying for the potential more than what he can offer right now. He's very talented but extremely raw too. But in a world where Real Madrid are paying 60M for a totally unproven 16 year old, maybe 70-80M for a much more developed and experienced Højlund isn't so bad.
Yea, I suppose that is the case. Still a matter of getting used to the hugely inflated market in football now. The problem at United is that the price tag very quickly becomes another thing to use to beat the player with, I would worry about a young fella's ability to deal with that. I'm at the point where I would feel safer going with Rashford through the middle this season.
 
Even if Greenwood does come back, he will have zero impact on our season. He's lost a year and a half of development, how's he going to just waltz back into the side.

I can’t remember but was it that much of an issue to players like Onana, Ferdinand, Cantona, Maradona?
 
Even if Greenwood does come back, he will have zero impact on our season. He's lost a year and a half of development, how's he going to just waltz back into the side.
Supposedly been training privately with a trainer for a while, I do not think fitness will be an issue but form obviously would, even still would be a more than handy addition if the PR machine can make it happen, that he is getting married to the same partner to whom the charges related, who is also pregnant might help with that
 
Either or works for me, leaning more so towards Hojlund as he’s a raw talent like Rashford was but better in my eyes, if we get the two it a a bonus and no need for a LW
 
I can’t remember but was it that much of an issue to players like Onana, Ferdinand, Cantona, Maradona?
Greenwood has never been at any of their levels at any point in his career or as physically developed as them when they were banned. He's missed out on pivotal development years.
Supposedly been training privately with a trainer for a while, I do not think fitness will be an issue but form obviously would, even still would be a more than handy addition if the PR machine can make it happen, that he is getting married to the same partner to whom the charges related, who is also pregnant might help with that
Never the same intensity as team training or matches though. I'm sure he would get back up to speed eventually, maybe if he did a full pre-season, but even so he'll still be way behind his peers.
 
I really like Kolo Muani, and he’s more versatile. But Hojlund makes more sense. He’s got all the tools that Ten Hag looks for in a striker, he’s cheaper and younger. Both are gambles though as I don’t think either are necessarily ready made first team centre forwards at the highest level. I’d rather find the extra money for Kane if it’s at all possible.
 
I really like Kolo Muani, and he’s more versatile. But Hojlund makes more sense. He’s got all the tools that Ten Hag looks for in a striker, he’s cheaper and younger. Both are gambles though as I don’t think either are necessarily ready made first team centre forwards at the highest level. I’d rather find the extra money for Kane if it’s at all possible.

Yeah I would like us to do that too but seems we aren't in for him this summer
 
I really like Kolo Muani, and he’s more versatile. But Hojlund makes more sense. He’s got all the tools that Ten Hag looks for in a striker, he’s cheaper and younger. Both are gambles though as I don’t think either are necessarily ready made first team centre forwards at the highest level. I’d rather find the extra money for Kane if it’s at all possible.

I think you will be hard pressed to find a United fan who wouldnt prefer Kane, but I dont think Levi will sell to us. And now with Bayern seemingly willing to spunk a lot of cash for Kane, I am almost certain he will end there.
 
Ideally we should be trying for both and looking to shift Martial and Sancho.
 
I usually look at the numbers. A quick look at how they played for their recent clubs.
Højlund, Atalanta, 34, 1898, 0.47, 0.47, 0.12, 100%
Kolo Muani, Eintracht, 46, 3611, 0.57, 0.42, 0.19, 135%
In order: name, club, games, minutes, goals/90 min, xG/90 min (expected goals), xAG/90 min (expected assisted goals), effectiveness (goals/xG).
IMO, the Frenchman is much better. More expected assists and fanatstic efficiency. This statistic of over 120% have only true killers (Haaland, Kane, Mbappe).
 
They look like completely different players. I think if you're ETH you'd probably have a clear preference if the money is only there for one, because there's very little similarity.

Muani looks like a well rounded footballer. Creative, athletic, can score goals.

I think the expectation with Hojlund is he's supposed to develop into something like a classic 9. The numbers aren't really there yet but that appears to be the skillset.
 
I usually look at the numbers. A quick look at how they played for their recent clubs.
Højlund, Atalanta, 34, 1898, 0.47, 0.47, 0.12, 100%
Kolo Muani, Eintracht, 46, 3611, 0.57, 0.42, 0.19, 135%
In order: name, club, games, minutes, goals/90 min, xG/90 min (expected goals), xAG/90 min (expected assisted goals), effectiveness (goals/xG).
IMO, the Frenchman is much better. More expected assists and fanatstic efficiency. This statistic of over 120% have only true killers (Haaland, Kane, Mbappe).

Would love both if Kane has decided to feck us off for Bayern this summer,unfortunately we haven't the funds to make that happen
 
I think you will be hard pressed to find a United fan who wouldnt prefer Kane, but I dont think Levi will sell to us. And now with Bayern seemingly willing to spunk a lot of cash for Kane, I am almost certain he will end there.
It all depends on Kane’s preference. If he wants to go to Bayern then they will come to an agreement. If not, levy will be forced to sell or risk losing him for nothing. I’ve got a feeling that we may go for him later in the window but who knows. If he was our no 1 target, history shows that we won’t give up easily.
 
It all depends on Kane’s preference. If he wants to go to Bayern then they will come to an agreement. If not, levy will be forced to sell or risk losing him for nothing. I’ve got a feeling that we may go for him later in the window but who knows. If he was our no 1 target, history shows that we won’t give up easily.

We may have no choice but to give up
 
I automatically distrussed anyone doing well in the German league.... so Hojlund.

I don't implicitly trust players doing well in the Bundesliga either, it is a level below the EPL, but the problem isn't with that league or with BVB like some of our fans think. It's with our scouting.

It seems City had 0 problems picking absolute gems out of that league in the last decade. Whether it was Dzeko, KDB, Gundogan, Sane, Haaland or Akanji. Literally 3/6 were worldie players and the other 3 were just very good players. They had 0 busted flushes from Bundesliga. We are like 0/4 in the same timeframe (Kagawa, Schweinsteiger, Mkhitaryan, Sancho)

Anyway, on the subject of Hojlund vs RKM, it's self evident that RKM is the more ready player. He reminds me of Martial in 19/20. An athletic, pacey, winger-cum-striker with good hold up play and an eye for an assist. He nags plenty of goals too but he's not necessarily the most lethal forward in the box. He seems to me more ready and his an all-rounder which I feel we need more. Especially if we're only signing 1 forward.
 
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I don't implicitly trust players doing well in the Bundesliga, it is a level below the EPL, but the problem isn't with that league or with BVB like some of our fans think. It's with our scouting.

It seems City had 0 problems picking absolute gems out of that league in the last decade. Whether it was Dzeko, KDB, Gundogan, Sane, Haaland or Akanji. Literally 3/6 were worldie players and the other 3 were very good players. They had 0 busted flushes from Bundesliga.

It is Chelsea and United who have a terrible record with Bundesliga players, which probably says more our clubs and how bad we can be at setting players up to flourish than the players themselves.
 
It is Chelsea and United who have a terrible record with Bundesliga players, which probably says more our clubs and how bad we can be at setting players up to flourish than the players themselves.

To be fair, sometimes players cannot fully flourish however hard you try. I think City had that with Sane. He had great potential, but even Pep struggled to get it out of him and he eventually gave up on him and sold him. But he still won 2 league titles and a domestic treble with him, before recouping his full transfer fee by selling him to Bayern.

But you're right. Better managed/run clubs not only identify better players, but they also maximise the chances of them reaching their full potential. I often wonder if Sancho would have struggled so much if he had gone to City or if Pep would have turned him into a world beater. Though we'll probably never know now.
 
KM seems like a player who Liverpool would buy after scoring 18 goals for Bolton in the league. I’d rather we have a more direct no9 in the team as we’re more well stocked in the flexible wide attacker category.
 
I mean neither are good enough now, but Hojlund surely has the higher ceiling

I don't know man. How did you reach the definitive conclusion that a player who at 23 had a season with:
  • 40GAs in 46apps in Bundesliga/UCL
  • 2GAs in 3apps at the WC being only behind Mbappe and Giroud in the striker pecking order for a France and playing in the WC final
...isn't good enough? Yes sure, he might not prove good enough. But a definite "isn't good enough"? Come on.

EDIT: Btw he is now the starting striker for France, in the Euro Qualif.
 
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