Hernanes

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Touted as being the next world superstar by many pundits.

I have only seen him a few times, mainly at last years Olympics and he looks a real player.

He's 24 now, so its about time he moved over to Europe.

Would he fit in at Old Trafford?
 
I don't think I've ever seen him play but the fact that he can't get in the team ahead of Ramires, despite being two years older, doesn't make a lot of sense if he is the next big thing.
 
Brwned said:
I don't think I've ever seen him play but the fact that he can't get in the team ahead of Ramires, despite being two years older, doesn't make a lot of sense if he is the next big thing.
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Not seen as much of Ramires, or maybe just not noticed him. But apparently hes also a real prospect. Isnt he a little more defensive than Hernanes?

Will see what Ramires is like in the Copa Lib final.

Dunga does move in mysterious ways.
 
He's rubbish. He just runs around a lot, and has a nice turn of pace. And yeah, he's better defensively than he is going forward but even then he's not that good defensively.

Can't see how he's a real prospect, and the fact he apparently is just shows that there's far too much hype around young players in Brazil.

Could be the same with Hernanes, I've no idea.
 
Ramires is a decent young box to box player. Hernanes is more skillful but needs to be given a free role like he has at Sao Paulo. He's not one of Brazil's best players.
 
You watch the Brazilian league?
 
I've been told he plays out on the wing.
 
Tim Vickery says he is the best player in Brazil but Brazilian clubs don't know how to play him, or don't want to play him where he can be effective.He gets asked about him almost every week and rates him very highly.
 
But Pirlo plays in the centre, and does his fair bit defensively, so I'm confused.

Essentially you're saying that Hernanes sits deep, dictates the play and has a very defined role of doing so?

Doesn't really tie in with what others, including Vickery, are saying about him having a free role. Prilo definitely doesn't have a free role, nor does he need to.
 
It shouldn't be confusing, Brwned. Firstly, when I say he plays like Pirlo, I'm talking style. Like Pirlo he was converted from an attacking midfielder into a defensive one. He does his fair bit defensively ( he can actually take care of himself well enough) but it isn't a strength of his game. His passing and work rate is. For my money he is an upgrade of Pirlo.

Furthermore in Brazil, they like their midfielders restricted. That is why the always have trouble fitting in Hernanes. He makes it hard for them to use their favorite tactic of by passing the center midfield in favour of fullbacks and wide playmakers. Because he is a genuine centralised playmaker ala Pirlo, who likes to dictate play from deep in midfield. Yet is more mobile. Which is why a freer role suits him. Because most Brazilian central midfielders are usually restricted, physical beasts with mainly defensive and destroyer duties, who spend most of the time giving the ball to fullbacks, wide men and forwards, rather than fully utiliising it themselves. And doing the hard running for their teams.

Any way. Check out this link:
http://www.footballingworld.com/2009/02/20/hot-property-hernanes-heading-for-europe-0220/

The article talks about him better than I can.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
It shouldn't be confusing, Brwned. Firstly, when I say he plays like Pirlo, I mean like Pirlo I'm talking style. Like Pirlo he was converted from an attacking midfielder into a defensive one. He does his fair bit defensively ( he can actually take care of himself well enough) but it isn't a strength of his game. His passing and work rate is. For my money he is an upgrade of Pirlo.

Furthermore in Brazil, they like their midfielders restricted. That is why the always have trouble fitting in Hernanes. He makes it hard for them to use their favorite tactic of by passing the center midfield in favour of fullbacks and wide playmakers. Because he is a genuine centralised playmaker Pirlo, who likes to dictate play from deep in midfield. Yet is more mobile. Which is why a freer role suits him. Because most Brazilian central midfielders are usually restricted, physical beasts with mainly defensive and destroyer duties, who spend most of the time giving the ball to fullbacks, wide men and forwards, rather than fully utiliising it themselves. And doing the hard running for their teams.

Any way. Check out this link:
http://www.footballingworld.com/2009/02/20/hot-property-hernanes-heading-for-europe-0220/

The article talks about him better than I can.
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Good analysis.
 
Brwned said:
You watch the Brazilian league?
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I watch it now and again but not often. But I have a brazilian friend I often talk to about football and I mostly go by what he says on it. He's yet to prove an inadequate source of information.
 
He looks very good in the clips, can he pass as good with both feet?
 
Brwned said:
But Pirlo plays in the centre, and does his fair bit defensively, so I'm confused.

Essentially you're saying that Hernanes sits deep, dictates the play and has a very defined role of doing so?

Doesn't really tie in with what others, including Vickery, are saying about him having a free role. Prilo definitely doesn't have a free role, nor does he need to.
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Vickery likens him to Kaka, although I don't think he has the explosive pace of Kaka or scores as regularly.
 
samabachan said:
Kaka doesn't have explosive pace.
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He really does. That burst of acceleration and the way he glides across the ground at such speed, it's very impressive. Another one of those deceptively quick players.
 
Kaka's burst of acceleration over the first couple of yards is as impressive as any top player around, IMHO, and he's still very quick across large distances.
 
On the evidence of the Confed Cup, Ramires is an awful player, certainly not what we have come to associate the Brazil first eleven with. If Hernanes can't get into the squad because of Ramires then he must be terribly awful.
 
Actually he was pretty fast in the confed cup, changed things for Brazil by going on the outside of the defender on the left side and crossing with his weaker foot.
 
Hernanes is now a Lazio player. Thought he would be picked up by a bigger club.
 
Ramires :

Brwned said:
He's rubbish. He just runs around a lot, and has a nice turn of pace. And yeah, he's better defensively than he is going forward but even then he's not that good defensively.

Can't see how he's a real prospect, and the fact he apparently is just shows that there's far too much hype around young players in Brazil.

Could be the same with Hernanes, I've no idea.
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Ekeke said:
Ramires is a decent young box to box player. Hernanes is more skillful but needs to be given a free role like he has at Sao Paulo. He's not one of Brazil's best players.
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And I'd stick with this
 
I'm glad that I watched Hernanes' last game for Sao Paulo in the Copa Libertadores Semi-Final second leg.

He is a fantastically silky player, but also one that many managers won't find much use for. For all of his touch and finesse, he's not someone that I've ever witnessed regularly dominate games from the center of the pitch. There are similar complaints made about Gorcuff, and it is something that really separates the great players from those who are simply fantastically talented.
 
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