originally posted by Suedesi:
Hernan Crespo, Claudio Lopez & Juan Pablo Sorin.
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Originally posted by RUDDY:
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...and how long did he stay at his last 2 clubs?
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Irrelevant. We're not some panic selling Serie-A side with a passport scandal. Once he finds a stable situation, he'll likely stay where he is for a long time.
I'd rather see us keep Veron and get Sorin and Lopez for the Stam money.
Originally posted by rz99:
<strong>I'd rather see us keep Veron and get Sorin and Lopez for the Stam money.
Unfortunately they paid 22m for Lopez alone in 2000. He's worth less than that now, so maybe that would be a reasonable swap for the debt.
How much were they asking Atletico for Lopez?
Originally posted by Raoul:
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Unfortunately they paid 22m for Lopez alone in 2000. He's worth less than that now, so maybe that would be a reasonable swap for the debt.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hang on, just because they paid stupid money for all and sundry doesn't mean they're a good deal for us. Anyway, it seems to me that Lazio need us to help them out - I say feck em
I have no problem with us not helping Lazio. We should however get our money or else have the transfer forfeited by UEFA.
transfer forfeited by UEFA
i told ya - stam for the money owed on stam - a 6.5m 1 yr loan.
i told ya - stam for the money owed on stam - a 6.5m 1 yr loan.
He'd never come back to OT. The bad blood between him and Fergie is too intense.
Nah I don't see Stam coming back either unfortunately. Lopez is probably the best option--we do need a striker and it'll probably help Veron too.
Agreed, though it wouldn't prevent us from regaining his rights and selling him to the highest bidder.
can't see lopez working with RVN.. we need a good passer, to compliment Ruudboy... shame we let teddy go last year.
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Agreed, though it wouldn't prevent us from regaining his rights and selling him to the highest bidder.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Poor Stam.
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>can't see lopez working with RVN.. we need a good passer, to compliment Ruudboy... shame we let teddy go last year.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ole works just fine with Ruud. Lopez is for cover.
Originally posted by rz99:
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Ole works just fine with Ruud. Lopez is for cover.
hmmmm.... not against good defensive sides they don't.
we need Ronny
I think we'll be fine with a player like Di Canio for this year. I think Ruud and Diego are going to have great years, and Ole will knock in quite a few as well.
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>I think we'll be fine with a player like Di Canio for this year. I think Ruud and Diego are going to have great years, and Ole will knock in quite a few as well.</strong><hr></blockquote>
you posted it, mate!
okay, maybe that's pAsted it....
why, when Seba's gonna start the big games as playmaker, would you want to toss di Canio into the mix,
we have to use Seba's skills and let him control the MF, not have him battle his own team-mates for possession...
i mean if Seba doesn't get enough of the ball with Keano by his side, with PdC, phew!
okay, maybe that's pAsted it....
why, when Seba's gonna start the big games as playmaker, would you want to toss di Canio into the mix,
we have to use Seba's skills and let him control the MF, not have him battle his own team-mates for possession...
i mean if Seba doesn't get enough of the ball with Keano by his side, with PdC, phew!
Originally posted by radd:
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to add to R-f-L's impassioned counter, please be serious, mate.
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This is going to be good
Originally posted by radd:
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Scholes cannot tackle either, even though he tries very hard.
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If Scholes loses the ball, he tries to win it back, Veron most likely will scratch his head.
Furthermore, Scholes plays more upfront, whereas anytime Veron loses the ball our defence gets exposed badly.
Boro at OT anyone?
Originally posted by radd:
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Seba doesn't 'lose' the ball, he doesn't get dispossesed very often, if he gives the ball away, that's down to poor form, not lack of ability,
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What? Veron's passing has been abyssmal. He lost the ball way too many times that way. And he was disposed off the ball way more frequently than at Serie A.
Originally posted by radd:
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and for the nth time,
WE DID NOT PAY 28.1M TO BUY ANOTHER NICKY BUTT,
we bought him because he is the best deep-lying playmaker in the world, and one of the top three or four over all.
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The fact that we paid what we paid for him means little. It's a stupid argument if you ask me. Fact remains that he didn't fit in at all with United's playing style... he slows the game down considerably. He's used succesfully his playing skills to create a numerical advantage in midfield very rarely, due to poor form, an aptitude of giving the ball away/being dispossesed too easily, and a tendency of holding the ball/slowing the play down. Take Zidane for example: the man is never dispossesed, and with his quick dribbling or 1-2 he always creates a superiority in Juve's/Real's midfield... Veron just doesn't do that at United.
Originally posted by radd:
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4-5-1 worked brilliantly for us, watch the games again -
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I wasn't aware of that. Didn't we win feckall last year, despite Ruud's tremendous impact???
Originally posted by radd:
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but no formation is FORM-PROOF
the tactical approach favours us, with a stronger, more stable defence and a rejuvenated Veron, it can take us all the way in Europe
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See, but you're taking for granted that Veron will play very well this year. Just how do you know that? Why is he, all of a sudden, going to fit in with United's play? Did you get a good glimpse of him at the World Cup?
Originally posted by radd:
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as far as the PL goes, the formation doesn't reall matter, we're capable of running through anyone with any formation, as long a the players are in form and confidence is high - let squad rotation decide that...</strong><hr></blockquote>
We're still not a complete outfit though. We need a decent fourth striker, and a cover for Giggs due to him being injured a lot.
If this Lazio deal went through, we'd have Crespo-RVN an excellent strike partnership, with Ole and Forlan ready to come in, and Sorin or Lopez ready to cover for Giggs/Silvestre. And we wouldn't have Veron
Veron just had a loss of form thats all. On top form You can not disposses that fellow. As for Zidane I remembr a certain number of games at the beginning of last season when he looked like a village kid who knew not what a ball was. Luckily he over came it. Mainly because he was in a league where the average defensive player is as bad as those at West Brom.
Veron doesn't slow down our game. Lack of hunger slowed down our game. Over elaboration slowed down our game. Over passing slowed down our game. And every United player was guilty of that last season. Instead of sticking to fast breaks and killing off opponents. We instead kept possesion and against teams like Arsenal, Liverpool and West ham we where punished for it.
And about Crespo. No one will convince me that we need another hit man. Crespo is not better than Ruud or Ole he is too similar to them. Last seasaon the lack of a skillfull, visionary deep lying finisher killed us. Both at home and in Europe. Forlan this season might get his scoring boots on corrctly but we need back up for him. In 99 we had Yorke and Sheringham as deep lying forwards. that is why we won a treble. If we have just hit men. We would be come to predictable like we are with a 4-4-2.
The only players we should be asking Lazio to give us are Sorin and Lopez. For Lopez can be a deep lying forward will Sorin would cover Giggs and Mickey. Else they should go to hell.
Veron doesn't slow down our game. Lack of hunger slowed down our game. Over elaboration slowed down our game. Over passing slowed down our game. And every United player was guilty of that last season. Instead of sticking to fast breaks and killing off opponents. We instead kept possesion and against teams like Arsenal, Liverpool and West ham we where punished for it.
And about Crespo. No one will convince me that we need another hit man. Crespo is not better than Ruud or Ole he is too similar to them. Last seasaon the lack of a skillfull, visionary deep lying finisher killed us. Both at home and in Europe. Forlan this season might get his scoring boots on corrctly but we need back up for him. In 99 we had Yorke and Sheringham as deep lying forwards. that is why we won a treble. If we have just hit men. We would be come to predictable like we are with a 4-4-2.
The only players we should be asking Lazio to give us are Sorin and Lopez. For Lopez can be a deep lying forward will Sorin would cover Giggs and Mickey. Else they should go to hell.
Veron's quality will shine through this season, there's no worries about that. I for one, cant wait to see him prove the doubters wrong this season.
I also believe that PDC could play in the same team as Saba. The fact that they're like minded and see opportunities early could be a dream combo.
And if I was wrong (heaven forbid), what would the harm be in alternating them. PDC gives us options further up the park than JSV.
I also believe that PDC could play in the same team as Saba. The fact that they're like minded and see opportunities early could be a dream combo.
And if I was wrong (heaven forbid), what would the harm be in alternating them. PDC gives us options further up the park than JSV.
Suedesi:
This is going to be good
promises, promises...
If Scholes loses the ball, he tries to win it back, Veron most likely will scratch his head. Furthermore, Scholes plays more upfront, whereas anytime Veron loses the ball our defence gets exposed badly.
Boro at OT anyone?
i'll change that "please be serious, mate" to "please, don't be idiotic, mate" <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
whether Scholes TRIES or not to win the ball back is not the issue (and i've ALREADY said that he does, why bother repeating that?),
the FACT is he can't tackle
and if you watch last season's games again, you will find that Seba is not averse to making those dangerous lunges either. he even picked up a couple of cautions that way. unfortunately, the results aren't that impressive, but that's because he is a CREATIVE player...
if you're bent on looking at the bloopers videos and laughing your brains out, that's fine by me, but please don't use that as an alternative to making a rational argument,
even Keano who plays deeper than Seba gave the ball away. our defenders did that as well - Larry, Gary and Mika, not to mention Fab, were all guilty of this, AF's response was not to drop them, he referred to these as 'individual errors' which had to be eliminated (and he wasn't talking about the players!)
if every player (and that's every player there is) who drops a few clangers is dropped, we might as well not bother sending a team in there...
What? Veron's passing has been abyssmal. He lost the ball way too many times that way. And he was disposed off the ball way more frequently than at Serie A.
i just said he's been in poor form - seems to me, your idea of making an argument is to repeat what i said and claim that as a victory for yourself....
anyway, let's just clear that up for good - if you're suggesting that Veron IS an abysmal passer, we can stop right here and you can claim whatever you want...
if all you're saying is that he was in bad form, NO ONE has doubted that, i've already said so myself...
The fact that we paid what we paid for him means little. It's a stupid argument if you ask me. Fact remains that he didn't fit in at all with United's playing style... he slows the game down considerably. He's used succesfully his playing skills to create a numerical advantage in midfield very rarely, due to poor form, an aptitude of giving the ball away/being dispossesed too easily, and a tendency of holding the ball/slowing the play down. Take Zidane for example: the man is never dispossesed, and with his quick dribbling or 1-2 he always creates a superiority in Juve's/Real's midfield... Veron just doesn't do that at United.
if you think it's a stupid argument, that maybe down to your whole idea of what making an argument is all about....
it's not WHAT we paid, but WHY, and this is boiling down to a formation/strategy discussion again...
watch the successful games he had last season again, if you need to see that yes, he can fit in and indeed, take charge of the game...
'due to poor form' again - so you agree that was the real trouble or not? make up your mind.
Zidane had a poor start to the last season, as opposed to Veron, and he isn't immune to having bad games either, he had quite a few for Real too...
secondly, Zidane plays behind the front two, Veron is a deep-lying plymaker, obviously he doesn't venture in for 1-2s as much, but it's not as if he can't, he prefers to control the MF from deep - he doesn't have to be another Zidane to be a great player, he already is, being Seba Veron...
the adjustment from Italy to Spain are, i would imagine, easier to make than Italy to England
anyway, check out the first couple of months he spent at OT, even winning Player of the Month, before you pronounce that he can't play in a Utd. shirt...
I wasn't aware of that. Didn't we win feckall last year, despite Ruud's tremendous impact???
what are you, a football fan or a fecking PLC board member?
I REPEAT: "no formation is FORM-PROOF"
ever tried looking at our defending last season? or how about Giggs's disappearance in the big games? no, wait a minute, i forgot - you want to blame Veron for that, too...
anyway, you NEED to check out the other thread on formations where Amir and Red Indian have posted enough on the matter...
See, but you're taking for granted that Veron will play very well this year. Just how do you know that? Why is he, all of a sudden, going to fit in with United's play? Did you get a good glimpse of him at the World Cup?
you can't take for granted that Giggs or Becks or Scholes (who had a pretty poor season as well) or whoever will not have a bad season either, that's the nature of the game - if Wenger had sold Pires on after his first season, we would of course still be PL champions...
incidentally, did you get a look at Becks in the WC? i hope you're not about to suggest that he be dropped as well...
i'm assuming, agreed, that Seba's class will not a take a back-seat to his form two seasons in a row - for a player of his pedigree, that's a not an unreasonable asumption to make...
We're still not a complete outfit though. We need a decent fourth striker, and a cover for Giggs due to him being injured a lot. If this Lazio deal went through, we'd have Crespo-RVN an excellent strike partnership, with Ole and Forlan ready to come in, and Sorin or Lopez ready to cover for Giggs/Silvestre. And we wouldn't have Veron
we're still capable of winning the PL without backup for Giggs
it would, of course, be wonderful, but the only ones we can count in that category are Pires, Recoba, Kily, Vicente, Gustavo Lopez, Denilson, Overmars and Duff - but it is highly unlikely that we are about to fork out the necessary millions for any of them
meanwhile, QF does a decent enough job
do we really have back-up for Becks, either? maybe we oughtta go and exchange Veron for Figo then...
we need a 4th striker, agreed, but Crespo with Ruud doesn't strike me as one that will work, Crespo loves to lead the line, and would not be ready to warm the bench
i also think Ole's earned his right to be at least second in the pecking order, and he works well with Ruud.
we need a FOURTH striker or someone like Teddy, not a first-choice goal-scorer...
if you're so ready to lose Veron because he had a poor season, i don't understand how you can then turn around and champion Lopez, who's had a miserable TWO years at Lazio and scored something like 9 goals in 38 games -
but then maybe THAT's your understanding of making an argument...
This is going to be good
promises, promises...
If Scholes loses the ball, he tries to win it back, Veron most likely will scratch his head. Furthermore, Scholes plays more upfront, whereas anytime Veron loses the ball our defence gets exposed badly.
Boro at OT anyone?
i'll change that "please be serious, mate" to "please, don't be idiotic, mate" <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
whether Scholes TRIES or not to win the ball back is not the issue (and i've ALREADY said that he does, why bother repeating that?),
the FACT is he can't tackle
and if you watch last season's games again, you will find that Seba is not averse to making those dangerous lunges either. he even picked up a couple of cautions that way. unfortunately, the results aren't that impressive, but that's because he is a CREATIVE player...
if you're bent on looking at the bloopers videos and laughing your brains out, that's fine by me, but please don't use that as an alternative to making a rational argument,
even Keano who plays deeper than Seba gave the ball away. our defenders did that as well - Larry, Gary and Mika, not to mention Fab, were all guilty of this, AF's response was not to drop them, he referred to these as 'individual errors' which had to be eliminated (and he wasn't talking about the players!)
if every player (and that's every player there is) who drops a few clangers is dropped, we might as well not bother sending a team in there...
What? Veron's passing has been abyssmal. He lost the ball way too many times that way. And he was disposed off the ball way more frequently than at Serie A.
i just said he's been in poor form - seems to me, your idea of making an argument is to repeat what i said and claim that as a victory for yourself....
anyway, let's just clear that up for good - if you're suggesting that Veron IS an abysmal passer, we can stop right here and you can claim whatever you want...
if all you're saying is that he was in bad form, NO ONE has doubted that, i've already said so myself...
The fact that we paid what we paid for him means little. It's a stupid argument if you ask me. Fact remains that he didn't fit in at all with United's playing style... he slows the game down considerably. He's used succesfully his playing skills to create a numerical advantage in midfield very rarely, due to poor form, an aptitude of giving the ball away/being dispossesed too easily, and a tendency of holding the ball/slowing the play down. Take Zidane for example: the man is never dispossesed, and with his quick dribbling or 1-2 he always creates a superiority in Juve's/Real's midfield... Veron just doesn't do that at United.
if you think it's a stupid argument, that maybe down to your whole idea of what making an argument is all about....
it's not WHAT we paid, but WHY, and this is boiling down to a formation/strategy discussion again...
watch the successful games he had last season again, if you need to see that yes, he can fit in and indeed, take charge of the game...
'due to poor form' again - so you agree that was the real trouble or not? make up your mind.
Zidane had a poor start to the last season, as opposed to Veron, and he isn't immune to having bad games either, he had quite a few for Real too...
secondly, Zidane plays behind the front two, Veron is a deep-lying plymaker, obviously he doesn't venture in for 1-2s as much, but it's not as if he can't, he prefers to control the MF from deep - he doesn't have to be another Zidane to be a great player, he already is, being Seba Veron...
the adjustment from Italy to Spain are, i would imagine, easier to make than Italy to England
anyway, check out the first couple of months he spent at OT, even winning Player of the Month, before you pronounce that he can't play in a Utd. shirt...
I wasn't aware of that. Didn't we win feckall last year, despite Ruud's tremendous impact???
what are you, a football fan or a fecking PLC board member?
I REPEAT: "no formation is FORM-PROOF"
ever tried looking at our defending last season? or how about Giggs's disappearance in the big games? no, wait a minute, i forgot - you want to blame Veron for that, too...
anyway, you NEED to check out the other thread on formations where Amir and Red Indian have posted enough on the matter...
See, but you're taking for granted that Veron will play very well this year. Just how do you know that? Why is he, all of a sudden, going to fit in with United's play? Did you get a good glimpse of him at the World Cup?
you can't take for granted that Giggs or Becks or Scholes (who had a pretty poor season as well) or whoever will not have a bad season either, that's the nature of the game - if Wenger had sold Pires on after his first season, we would of course still be PL champions...
incidentally, did you get a look at Becks in the WC? i hope you're not about to suggest that he be dropped as well...
i'm assuming, agreed, that Seba's class will not a take a back-seat to his form two seasons in a row - for a player of his pedigree, that's a not an unreasonable asumption to make...
We're still not a complete outfit though. We need a decent fourth striker, and a cover for Giggs due to him being injured a lot. If this Lazio deal went through, we'd have Crespo-RVN an excellent strike partnership, with Ole and Forlan ready to come in, and Sorin or Lopez ready to cover for Giggs/Silvestre. And we wouldn't have Veron
we're still capable of winning the PL without backup for Giggs
it would, of course, be wonderful, but the only ones we can count in that category are Pires, Recoba, Kily, Vicente, Gustavo Lopez, Denilson, Overmars and Duff - but it is highly unlikely that we are about to fork out the necessary millions for any of them
meanwhile, QF does a decent enough job
do we really have back-up for Becks, either? maybe we oughtta go and exchange Veron for Figo then...
we need a 4th striker, agreed, but Crespo with Ruud doesn't strike me as one that will work, Crespo loves to lead the line, and would not be ready to warm the bench
i also think Ole's earned his right to be at least second in the pecking order, and he works well with Ruud.
we need a FOURTH striker or someone like Teddy, not a first-choice goal-scorer...
if you're so ready to lose Veron because he had a poor season, i don't understand how you can then turn around and champion Lopez, who's had a miserable TWO years at Lazio and scored something like 9 goals in 38 games -
but then maybe THAT's your understanding of making an argument...
radd, what do you do for a living, or are you perhaps retired or a student? Which is it?
One needs only to open topics on Lazio in Redcafè to start cracking up. Amazing.
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Lazio Boss: Crespo Staying
Ananova
Tuesday July 30, 2002 11:22 PM
Lazio chief Roberto Mancini has dismissed claims that he could lose Argentina ace Hernan Crespo to Manchester United because of the club's financial position.
After seeing his side win 1-0 at Liverpool, Mancini claimed that the Rome club's finances were good enough to avoid having to let star men leave.
It had been suggested that Lazio would be prepared to let £35million Crespo leave - even in exchange for Juan Veron - to save money.
But Mancini said: "I think Lazio's finances are fine at the moment, I don't think we will have to let the likes of Crespo or Claudio Lopez or anything like that with the current state of our finances."
Mancini was delighted with his side's display in front of 44,000 plus at Anfield, and said: "We didn't lose the ball, we played well and worked hard. If we play like that in the league at home we will do fine.
"I didn't expect this much from the game, very few teams win at Liverpool."
Ananova
Tuesday July 30, 2002 11:22 PM
Lazio chief Roberto Mancini has dismissed claims that he could lose Argentina ace Hernan Crespo to Manchester United because of the club's financial position.
After seeing his side win 1-0 at Liverpool, Mancini claimed that the Rome club's finances were good enough to avoid having to let star men leave.
It had been suggested that Lazio would be prepared to let £35million Crespo leave - even in exchange for Juan Veron - to save money.
But Mancini said: "I think Lazio's finances are fine at the moment, I don't think we will have to let the likes of Crespo or Claudio Lopez or anything like that with the current state of our finances."
Mancini was delighted with his side's display in front of 44,000 plus at Anfield, and said: "We didn't lose the ball, we played well and worked hard. If we play like that in the league at home we will do fine.
"I didn't expect this much from the game, very few teams win at Liverpool."
Originally posted by Piersifal:
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Yes, sure, donkeys can fly, the sun sets at east and you know about football...Sure, don't worry, one day you'll wake up. One day. Now go back to the usual crap you read to feed your hunger for shite footie news. Smartass.
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well DumbAss, Your club seems to be in Great financial shape, is that what you are implying ?.
Is Lazio financially secure for the next 5 years ?. I guess you would say yes. They were threatened with relagation to Serie B, also are in debt to various players for outstanding wages, not to mention outstanding transfer fees that are owed to various clubs, and who knows what other debts. Are these Lies ????
Taking huge loans aren't gonna solve there problems, it is just digging urself deeper. Well anyway i am sure the directors at Lazio know what they are doing , i mean Sorin hasn't even played for them yet and he might be sold. We shall see who has the last laugh you Closet case REal Madrid supporter.
Piersifal:
Yes, sure, donkeys can fly<hr></blockquote>
sometimes, when they're called Chievo...
Originally posted by Piersifal:
<strong>One needs only to open topics on Lazio in Redcafè to start cracking up. Amazing.
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Starting to get a bit hysterical isn't he?
Boy, is this forum a real treat!
Suited for little boys to warming up with maths: they only have to count how many neurons are floating around. I doubt they will go over 10!
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You're right Thumper, but after I wrote the same things for ages and seeing that the same jerks keep writing the same bullshite on the basis of shite newspapers, I get fed up. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
And I start making fun of them. Easily. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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