'He used United to get a new contract'
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Gundogan didn't use anything. He wanted to leave, BVB accpeted that but then apparently he used for some ridiculous wages from the teams who wanted him (Barca and United) and they said feck off to him. Then he extended the contract - on same terms - for just an another year in order for BVB to get some money from him next season.
As the other poster explained, Hummels didn't extend his contract. He just chose to stay there.
Mikel really just wanted a better offer from Chelsea...
This.
When players link themselves to United there isn't much we can do. That's hardly out fault.
On the other hand, if we hear that a player we would be interested in is having a contract dispute with his club and is thinking about a move, why wouldn't we get involved? Even if there's an 80/20 chance he stays, why not test the waters and ask if he wants to join?
On the other hand, if we hear that a player we would be interested in is having a contract dispute with his club and is thinking about a move, why wouldn't we get involved? Even if there's an 80/20 chance he stays, why not test the waters and ask if he wants to join?
Agreed. By saying 'oh but that didnt last long before he got a new contract' or 'it wasnt talked about much' is just limiting the pool down as much as possible to suit your own theory.
I'm in two minds about this. I think we get used for contract renewals, but we're not the only club. And there's the fact that we get linked with almost every player on the planet...
Then there's the line in the sand where we just actual lose interest ourselves and arent willing to cross it for the money other clubs want us to front. So said player just ends up renewing due to loss of interest.
It's more grey than it is black and white. Lack of information given out by clubs and constant media/paper talk linking us makes it quite a fuzzy area. With ramos, I actually believe he would have left. But Madrid took a bold stance and said 'you will not be sold, so sign a new contract and get a pay rise, or dont and be an unwanted defender in 2 years time'.
Madrid were not going to sell him unless the price was robbery, and we're trying to get out of the transfer area where we're constantly bending over to get the player we want. Either way, we've done fantastic in this transfer window so far. And we're not done yet.
The thread was to mention people who used United to get a new contract. Alves was one off them. If you want to go by the how did it harm us argument, that can pretty much be applied to any situation (apart from maybe the Munich plane crash).
How is De Gea not signing a new contract harming us? We will get a replacement one way or another and we will be fine. Same for when Ronaldo left or Beckham or any player related situation to be hones. Even David Moyes, yeah we didnt have the Champions league for a year, but it didnt harm our revenues too much or our pulling power etc (hurt our ego's though)
Agents love to suggest we're after their players, to try to drive up prices on transfers or on new contracts. Journalists love a United article because that means it will get more clicks than any other team would. It's a win-win for the two main sources of transfer news and bs.
It also depends on what position we're lacking in at any given time.
Before it was midfielders queuing up to link themselves with us, now its defenders, next year every striker from Madrid to Moscow will claim they're bound for Old Trafford, only to see a 200% increase in their salary.
It is, moved the classics though so the op didn't see it on the transfer forums.
Yes. There's no difference between losing a top quality player and not getting a player that you didn't have in the first place.
Dani Alves must be the most blatant one in history
Didn't van Gaal speak openly about Müller? Don't think that transfer possibility originated from Germany.
That player actually wanted to leave Barca. He had a clause that could be triggered if he didn't get a certain amount of playtime. Clubs triggered it, he chose Bayern.
There is a difference, but that difference is not harmful, you keep talking about technicalities about how was Alves using united harmful hence it shouldn't be in this thread. So am responding with technicalities of my own.
That's the real question.
Unless it can be proven that United somehow - through some kind of unfathomable idiocy - invite players or their agents to use us for this practice to our own detriment, I don't see what the feck it proves other than us being a plausible destination for top players. Or what the feck it matters.
People believe we are in genuine negotiations for players we actually need/want every time some clown posts something on Twatter, based on feck all. That's the problem.
It's a form of bizarre entertainment, nothing more. At least I hope so, for the muppets' sake. If they're genuinely interested in this and/or concerned about the real-world implications of the chimeras they chase, they should seek help.
They're good lads, though. Mostly. A bit dim, but harmless.
id be surprised if we actually bid or spoke to any of Muller, Ronaldo etc, theres a difference between actually been lined up to sign a player and the papers linking us to virtually everybody bar Messi in the last 2 years
Gundogan used us to get a better contract
I love hearing stories like that about our players / ex-players - especially the likes of Scholesy. I also loved the fact that Scholesy never had an agent either - he just signed the contract & got on with playin football..
On a side-note - Keano had it written into his contracts that he be the highest paid player at the club. As great a player he was for us - he was a greedy bastard..
Nah man, Gundogan only wanted a Barca move (plenty of reports of contracts being agreed between player & club too), but he wasnt prepared to hang around to Jan without playing any football, so he signed an extension with Dortmund. He didnt want to come here.
Guarantee you though - he'll have it written into his contract that he can leave for Barca whenever he wants, for a set fee & it'll be interesting to see if he plays a single minute of the Europa League with Dortmund either; so he's free to play in the Champions League with Barca after the new year, if he signs for them in the winter window of course..
Ermm no bro, there are no technicalities. Losing Ronaldo is losing one of your top players. Considering losing a player you don't already have as a loss is not a loss. You can twist this anyway but it wont change the fact that we're not harmed from it in anyway.
SAF nearly left United because he wasn't happy with the contract extension given to him. We need to thank Graham for sending his contract to Edwards and made him realise that the managers were being paid more than he thought. Would you call SAF a greedy bastard too?
Lets just say that Manchester United have the tendency to go skint at times. They claim to be the biggest club in the world and make record profits year in year out however sometimes that doesn't reflect in terms of salaries. I am not saying that some people aren't greedy. However I prefer our dosh to end up in SAF's or Keane's pockets rather than Edward's or the Glazers.
This absolutely 100% happens.
Agents leak bullshit stories as a negotiation tool and the press run with them.
Why anyone would get annoyed by it, other then when a player from their team does it, I don't know.
Agents leak bullshit stories as a negotiation tool and the press run with them.
Why anyone would get annoyed by it, other then when a player from their team does it, I don't know.
If Barca want him, wouldn't they have just bought him this summer, kept him at Dortmund to continue gaining match fitness and said not to play in the EL?
I think Barca want Pogba instead, Bayern signed Vidal, Real are sorted in CM so he stayed in Dortmund and will assess his options next summer.
I don't believe that United were actually caught out by Ramos. Players at Madrid don't leave unless they're being forced out. Ramos is essential to Madrid's defense, they can't afford to let him go. He has a tattoo of the club etc
Right from the very beginning it was obvious he was using United to get a better contract at Madrid, but Van Gaal used the Ramos situation to play hardball over De Gea.
The newspapers assume that United are hurt and have been let down by Ramos, but that is naivety gone deceived.
Right from the very beginning it was obvious he was using United to get a better contract at Madrid, but Van Gaal used the Ramos situation to play hardball over De Gea.
The newspapers assume that United are hurt and have been let down by Ramos, but that is naivety gone deceived.
Oh right, did Ramos sign a new contract with Madrid then?
Is there still any doubting it?
There's always a doubt until the contract is signed. I guess my point is that no-one really knows what's going on. Yes it's extremely likely he will extend his contract at Madrid but none of us know for certain.
We are the club it seems all agents use to better a deal for the client, then on the other side of the coin is Gaitan and his agent, when do you think the penny will drop with Gaitan and he will figure out that we don't require his services.
I blame bloody @Pexbo.
Load of balls
I think it's more likely that we were close to signing Gundogan but changed our minds based upon his injury record and the availability of Schneiderlin at £25m. Gundogan as good as said he was leaving, as did BVB, but I don't think the interest from the clubs he wanted was there and thus he made a U-turn.
In fairness, dont we all try this in our own jobs?
All it means is that we get linked to players who are looking for new contracts because their contracts are running down. It's obviously a good moment to go after them, especially the ones who aren't normally available, like Ronaldo before he signed a new contract. The same goes for free agents like Alves - he was waiting for Barca to come up with a good offer, if he hadn't got it then he had other options, nobody got used.
Ramos is different again. Even if he signs I'll still believe that he wanted to leave but got told that he couldn't, and therefore took a pragmatic decision.
The times when I do think we do get used are when agents representing unknowns who "get the player's name out there" by namedropping us. But that's inevitable, we draw headlines.
Ramos is different again. Even if he signs I'll still believe that he wanted to leave but got told that he couldn't, and therefore took a pragmatic decision.
The times when I do think we do get used are when agents representing unknowns who "get the player's name out there" by namedropping us. But that's inevitable, we draw headlines.
Even Sir Alex said he found out some players on the continent sometimes would register interest behind the scenes, but when we (United) would it follow up, they would often quickly sign a new contract, so no, If Sir Alex stated it then I'm inclined to agree that it does happen.
Memphis signed a new contract with PSV after the WC, but he was already promised to be let go if a right offer came in this transfer window. He signed to earn more money last season and to help PSV get a better fee (they declined a 20m Euro offer from Tottenham last season). In Holland we still use the good ol' gentlemans agreement.
I might have contributed to get his thread into a 'saga' but after the season he had there was 0 chance he was staying at PSV. Not really a player for this discussion.
I might have contributed to get his thread into a 'saga' but after the season he had there was 0 chance he was staying at PSV. Not really a player for this discussion.
You are the one twisting it by bringing in the harmed from it theory. The thread is about used United to get a new contract, simple. Not about what is harmful and what is not.
Besides losing your best player might be a short term setback but to say it's harmful is a bit extreme. This is football, players leave clubs, deal with it.
He absolutely was using United for the new contract
There it is - The small club mentality that this saying has probably come from.
People find it hard to believe someone will want to leave a Madrid/Barca to come play for us. Starting players at any top team dont leave unless they are being forced out or want a challenge in another league. Ramos has played his whole career in La Liga, He has won everything there is to win over there. This is likely to be his last big contract and last lap at the top of his game. He could just want to play for a top team in England whilst he is still in his prime you know?
He'll be able to play CL even if he plays in EL for Dortmund.