I don't think Hazard will develop the similar goalscoring instincts of Messi and Ronaldo, he could get close to them and even better at certain things but they are where they are thanks to the ridiculous amount of goals they score each season.
Hazard or Oscar or neither?
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Hazard is in the Robben/Ribery category. Still outstanding players but not there with the absolute best.
Not that I expect Chelsea to sell either player, you'd take Hazard in a heartbeat if it was similar to Mata money. He's basically turning into what we wanted Nani to be.
Not that I expect Chelsea to sell either player, you'd take Hazard in a heartbeat if it was similar to Mata money. He's basically turning into what we wanted Nani to be.
I agree.
The difference between Ribery and Ronaldo is about 30 goals a season to be honest, so if Hazard can significantly close that gap, which I'm not sure he can really, then he'll be on that bracket.
Right now, the output of the top players like Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez and Zlatan are so high, Hazard can't be a 12 goal a season player if he wants to swim with them.
I'd say that's a far more accurate comparison than the Messi/Ronaldo ones. He's nowhere near being as good as them and he never will be. They're two of the greatest players of all time. No chance am I going to embarrass myself and compare Hazard to them or suggest he'll reach that level.
As for being the best player in the league... Suarez for me. Hazard's class and has age on his side but I'll take Suarez over him every day of the week. On form Aguero and Ozil are right up there too.
I don't think that's fair. Iniesta doesn't score many goals and he's a better player than Suarez and Zlatan.
Hazard only has 7 assists. Obviously that would improve if Chelsea had a decent striker.
But I don't even think he's better than Robben at his age. Robben was frightening with the way he took players on and could score. Ashame he was made of glass.
But I don't even think he's better than Robben at his age. Robben was frightening with the way he took players on and could score. Ashame he was made of glass.
I like Hazard, but I'd rather see if Januzaj develops as he could potentially be just as good, if not better.
Oscar is also very good, but we have Mata and Kagawa so I don't really see the need unless we are looking to ship somebody out ourselves.
Oscar is also very good, but we have Mata and Kagawa so I don't really see the need unless we are looking to ship somebody out ourselves.
To be honest I think they are relatively covered elsewhere. Also they'll turn a profit this year so will probably have £20-30m to spend before sales (this is going on the principal that they won't stick 2 fingers up to the FFP regs like City/PSG and spend £100m).
For Chelsea a top class striker will be worth 10 points, which would have them winning the League.
Yes but Iniesta (to get to that consideration) has had many outstanding performances at the highest levels of club and international football and most importantly isn't a player whose the stats will always be taken into account. Hazard has the ability to become incredibly productive each season so he'll judged on that much more than Iniesta (unless he learns to run games without scoring and assisting and he isn't that type of player).
Would have had a couple of years under Fergie though, by now he could have been our 20 goal a season man about to reach full Ronaldo-hood
Only if the last year counts twice.
And this year was just a nightmare...
Oh, my mistake. I mean.. obviously Fergie would have signed him a year earlier if we wanted him.
Hazard, obviously. That's a no brainer.
I think Oscar is class but we already have Mata and Kagawa. That said, I'd take Oscar over Kagawa generally.
I think Oscar is class but we already have Mata and Kagawa. That said, I'd take Oscar over Kagawa generally.
Hazard by a mile, Oscar isn't anywhere near his level tbh.
They're selling to PSG?
If Chelsea are forced to sell a few players to meet FFP criteria, PSG will have to sell the entire club.
This article should not be taken seriously.
If Chelsea are forced to sell a few players to meet FFP criteria, PSG will have to sell the entire club.
This article should not be taken seriously.
I always preferred Hazard. I heard a lot of people here rate Oscar higher last season but I think Hazard was always the more special talent. He just took some time adapting as his game is reliant around taking risks and initially it didnt come off as frequently as it is now.
Every time I see Hazard in Chelsea colours, I shed a small tear for what might have been.
Would RvP +£25m tempt them? Or us?
Would RvP +£25m tempt them? Or us?
This.
There is something about Hazard I really dont like, it could be that he didnt choose us but also something to do with his running and his control. It almost seems janky but under control.
However I think Oscar is completely over-rated and would choose Hazard over him, however I wouldnt be snapping at either.
However I think Oscar is completely over-rated and would choose Hazard over him, however I wouldnt be snapping at either.
He looks a bit like a slimmer Joe Cole at times
Lazy Journo. Neither will go.
We have Luiz,Torres, Mikel, Ba, Marin, Moses and a host of others to raise the money, according to papers Luiz and Torres should raise about 30 million+ alone. The rest would raise around 15-20 million, so we wouldnt have that issue.
We have Luiz,Torres, Mikel, Ba, Marin, Moses and a host of others to raise the money, according to papers Luiz and Torres should raise about 30 million+ alone. The rest would raise around 15-20 million, so we wouldnt have that issue.
Id take both... Hazard being the one I would want most but I can't see Chelsea selling and even if they did I couldnt see them selling to us
oh and even if somehow we persuaded Chelsea to sell to us selling Thursday night football to hazard might be a bit more tricky
oh and even if somehow we persuaded Chelsea to sell to us selling Thursday night football to hazard might be a bit more tricky
Chelsea will have such a busy summer transfer window with outgoings as well as incomings that I don't expect selling Oscar or Hazard will be needed. FFP won't restrict Chelsea that much, as it won't with a lot of other wealthy, elite clubs like PSG and Manchester City.
All three clubs will find loopholes around it and Chelsea could still fund a lot of their transfer activity with the sales of Torres, Ba, Mikel, Luiz, etc. I do believe it will be a very major transfer window for Chelsea, but none of their more important players will leave I doubt.
To answer the question; Eden Hazard by a landslide. Both Hazard and Oscar are quality, but we have enough floaty midgets with Kagawa and Mata already. We need a dynamic winger who can contribute goals and Hazard would certainly fill that void.
All three clubs will find loopholes around it and Chelsea could still fund a lot of their transfer activity with the sales of Torres, Ba, Mikel, Luiz, etc. I do believe it will be a very major transfer window for Chelsea, but none of their more important players will leave I doubt.
To answer the question; Eden Hazard by a landslide. Both Hazard and Oscar are quality, but we have enough floaty midgets with Kagawa and Mata already. We need a dynamic winger who can contribute goals and Hazard would certainly fill that void.
Easily Hazard. Oscar's overrated, in my opinion.
They won't sell either. Both have absolutely massive potential. Hazard will be the next non-Messi/Ronaldo Ballon d'Or IMO.
Hazard over Oscar all day long. They won't sell him though, and especially not for as low as 40 mill.
Hazard will be the best winger in the world in 2 years time IMO, he's already a world class player. Was pissed that we missed out on him as he would have been perfect to be our new #7. Think he'll always stay at more of a Ronaldo of 06/07 level production wise rather then get crazy numbers. Still brilliant, still top 3-4 players in the world, but not joining the best of all time category.
Oscar on the other hand I don't think is too different to kagawa (level wise, different players obviously). We just aren't using him properly yet but kagawa can easily get to that level for me.
If I could choose a winger to get right now not including Ronaldo, it would probably be him, then reus, then bale for a top 3, in that order.
Oscar on the other hand I don't think is too different to kagawa (level wise, different players obviously). We just aren't using him properly yet but kagawa can easily get to that level for me.
If I could choose a winger to get right now not including Ronaldo, it would probably be him, then reus, then bale for a top 3, in that order.
Aside from Ribery he already is the best winger in the world tbh.
Ronaldo and Bale certainly aren't wingers. He's better than Bale anyway.
Ronaldo and Bale certainly aren't wingers. He's better than Bale anyway.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ard-admits-wife-sway-decision-PSG-summer.html
Talk about pulling out the cards to make a summer move! This pic didn't do him much good to the speculation:
Him on the left, Lucas/Cavani on the right and Ibra up front? Sweet jesus that would be CL contender material.
Talk about pulling out the cards to make a summer move! This pic didn't do him much good to the speculation:
Him on the left, Lucas/Cavani on the right and Ibra up front? Sweet jesus that would be CL contender material.
Building the team around them. No need to sell. Would get into most teams. Hazard.
I wonder if Mourinho would consider swapping Hazard for Rooney.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ard-admits-wife-sway-decision-PSG-summer.html
Talk about pulling out the cards to make a summer move! This pic didn't do him much good to the speculation:
Him on the left, Lucas/Cavani on the right and Ibra up front? Sweet jesus that would be CL contender material.
Cavani is wasted in that formation. I doubt he'll hang around if they continue to play out there.
I think Mourinho would. I really think Mata/Hazard/Oscar are not his types.
However I am not sure Roman would agree to get rid off another young talented player and fan favourite after they already got rid off Mata.
No of course not; Ibra will be the main main for at least a couple of years, and I don't see them changing their formation to accommodate two strikers, which they could easily do. He should move to a club like Chelsea or Real who both really want a top class striker, and he would do excellently there.
Hazard for me, though the Ronaldo/Messi comparisons are a massive hyerbole. Even if those 2 were to quit football right now, Hazard will never get close to being as effective as either of them even after 10 years from now. Still a very good player to have around though for sure.
As for Oscar, I just don't get the hype, he sure makes a superb-playing team look/play still better, but he just goes missing in games where you'd expect/need supposedly players like him to step up.
As for Oscar, I just don't get the hype, he sure makes a superb-playing team look/play still better, but he just goes missing in games where you'd expect/need supposedly players like him to step up.
Hazard for the left wing if Chelsea are willing to sell to us for a price in the are of £40m, more would be insane though, he is good but not that good, there is a reason Mourinho is fed up with him, I've seen him in the Belgian national squad aswell and always had reservations about his attitude. Talent is clearly there though, so with the right manager in front of him I still think he'll turn out to be a very good player, but he doesn't have the attitude to be the next Ronaldo or Messi, let that be clear.
If we were comfortable with the options we'd have on the wings, I wouldn't even go as far as £40m or make an offer him in the first place. But we need quality players, we can't be sniffy about attitude problems, Hazard is PL proven and if Chelsea want rid, then we should be in the market, £40m seems about right, if they want more or don't want to sell to us, than that is that. PSG is the most likely destination I think if he is leaving, he said himself he'd wanted to play there and PSG can afford him easily. Not sure he'd want to move to us though, seeing as how we aren't in the CL and we are in a rebuilding face, the only way he'll come to us is if PSG have other priority targets and need to watch their spending for FFP.
Oscar, I'd welcome him if we don't have to pay too much money for him (around £25m max). I think he would be a great player in a 3 man midfield with the point facing backwards (Carvalho-Mata-Oscar).
If anything is true about Mourinho being fed up with Matic, I'd take him aswell, I'd even consider Salah if he doesn't need to cost more than £12m, could be a great Nani replacement.
If we were comfortable with the options we'd have on the wings, I wouldn't even go as far as £40m or make an offer him in the first place. But we need quality players, we can't be sniffy about attitude problems, Hazard is PL proven and if Chelsea want rid, then we should be in the market, £40m seems about right, if they want more or don't want to sell to us, than that is that. PSG is the most likely destination I think if he is leaving, he said himself he'd wanted to play there and PSG can afford him easily. Not sure he'd want to move to us though, seeing as how we aren't in the CL and we are in a rebuilding face, the only way he'll come to us is if PSG have other priority targets and need to watch their spending for FFP.
Oscar, I'd welcome him if we don't have to pay too much money for him (around £25m max). I think he would be a great player in a 3 man midfield with the point facing backwards (Carvalho-Mata-Oscar).
If anything is true about Mourinho being fed up with Matic, I'd take him aswell, I'd even consider Salah if he doesn't need to cost more than £12m, could be a great Nani replacement.
I can't see any of them leave Chelsea. Hazard played for Lille in Ligue 1 i'm not so sure he'd fancy a move back, if he moves it will be to Spain in my opinion. Belgian players love the premier league and rate it very highly, why leave the most competitive league in the world? I'm sure this small issue between himself and Mou will be resolved.
I would definitely want us to swap Rooney for him if Jose wants to.
Everyone on the planet would take Hazard in that deal.
Except maybe Jose. And david moyes.