Have you ever been closer to wanting us to lose?

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Nickelodeon said:
How some of you think fans wanting United to lose are: Feck off Ronaldo, Feck off Bruno, Feck Ole... Lose 10-0 you scum. That'll make me happy.

How United fans who think losing one game might be beneficial in long term actually think: If we lose to Watford, we'll be 6-8 points away from the Top 4 and 12 away from the top. If we get a competent manager in, we would have 26 games to rectify this damage, probably get on a run post GW13 and ascertain our Top 4 and probably still be in contention for Top 2. If we win against Watford (like we did at Spurs), we will definitely have a mediocre performance against both Villareal and Chelsea which wouldn't get Ole the sack but push us even further away from the bare minimum of our goals.

So if there are fans who are contemplating whether losing one game would be more beneficial in the longer run, try and figure out that the only reason we're in a position for this to be even a topic is that our board, decision makers and influencers (ex-players) are actively working against what is best for the club. Probably best to target them for the wrath rather than be more divided as a fanbase which is essentially what they want.
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You can phrase however you want. You should never want your team to lose. Ever.
 
passtheball said:
That's misleading, since the post you are referring to by @Valar Morghulis used the term Top Red and not Ole-inners. And Top Reds are very much a factual category of fans who call others "arseholes" (just scroll up on this page).
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From what I can see the tedious top red phrase gets used pretty much interchangeably with Ole-inners.

For me the diehard support Ole at all costs and the want us to lose every game crowds are just opposite sides of the same top red coin. Both are convinced they are right and anyone who disagrees is a wanker/cnut/plastic/whatever.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
You can phrase however you want. You should never want your team to lose. Ever.
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You want us to win the game. I want us to win the season.

Still, it must be great to live in a world free of doubt and nuance.
 
I don't know if I ever wanted to lose - but I felt most distant from the club during Jose's tenure.

I disliked the manager, his tactics, his football style and his type of players the most (Lukaku, Mkhitarayan, Sanchez, Matic etc).

Under Ole its more I like the players but the manager is tactically irritating.
 
Will never want us to lose, no matter how bad I want the manager out or anything. Unfortunately when we do lose I've become increasingly apathetic towards it, when I previously would be furious, which is probably more concerning? No loss surprises me anymore, regardless of the quality of the opposition, this team can lose to anyone, the same way they can beat any team on their day. That should never happen for a club of this stature.
 
Drizzle said:
You want us to win the game. I want us to win the season.

Still, it must be great to live in a world free of doubt and nuance.
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You just sound like children crying because you didn't get the toy you wanted.

Try being a supporter. The manager is going soon regardless. You should never want the team to lose games. Some on here even wanted us to lose Vs Liverpool and City before the games. Spieless.
 
Wanting United to lose because you’re fed up with United losing… ok

I want us to beat Watford with ease and style, if they play like dog shit again then I’ll be further convinced that Ole needs to “pass the baton” - but to actively want a defeat is weird
 
Judas said:
Imagine wanting us to lose when you can simply support the team, want us to win, knowing its most likely we'll lose anyway.
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The positive spins when we do get a rare positive result are nauseating. The way the club’s PR handles a lot of stuff generally makes things worse.
 
Nickelodeon said:
Calm down. I'm not telling you what sort of fan you should be and you should avoid doing that to other posters.
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That's fine because you're not a fan then. This mentality is pathetic.

Do you think the 75,000 who turn up every week, even this season when things aren't too great, go there wanting us to lose?

Grow a pair and man up. Do you think City fans in the 40 years before they were rich went to games wanting to lose?

Support your club.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Wanting United to lose because you’re fed up with United losing… ok

I want us to beat Watford with ease and style, if they play like dog shit again then I’ll be further convinced that Ole needs to “pass the baton” - but to actively want a defeat is weird
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So you don't think Ole should pass the baton already?

I'm with you on the rest.

Do I think losing to Watford will get Ole the sack?
Who knows at this point, he seems bullet proof as should already be gone. I guess it can only hasten it though.

Will I ever want to team to lose?
I just can't do it. IF we did lose I may try and make myself feel better by thinking it will hurry Ole out the door but during the game I want a 6-0 win.

A better question for this thread would be...

Is there a sour taste to beating Watford if it resets the clock on Ole?
 
Cloud7 said:
The positive spins when we do get a rare positive result are nauseating. The way the club’s PR handles a lot of stuff generally makes things worse.
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I love how before the City game Ole was talking about having a good week...

Consisting of beating a terrible Spurs and getting as lucky as you can possibly be to salvage a draw against and injury ridden Atalanta, good week.

Standards are in the bin and the fans are tricked into accepting it because it comes from the mouth of a club legend.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
That's fine because you're not a fan then. This mentality is pathetic.

Do you think the 75,000 who turn up every week, even this season when things aren't too great, go there wanting us to lose?

Grow a pair and man up. Do you think City fans in the 40 years before they were rich went to games wanting to lose?

Support your club.
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Who the feck are you? Don't tell me I'm not a fan when you know nothing about me. Stop quoting my posts and keep your regressive mindset to yourself.
 
lilcurt said:
So you don't think Ole should pass the baton already?

I'm with you on the rest.

Do I think losing to Watford will get Ole the sack?
Who knows at this point, he seems bullet proof as should already be gone. I guess it can only hasten it though.

Will I ever want to team to lose?
I just can't do it. IF we did lose I may try and make myself feel better by thinking it will hurry Ole out the door but during the game I want a 6-0 win.

A better question for this thread would be...

Is there a sour taste to beating Watford if it resets the clock on Ole?
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I think everyone who loves United thinks that. Ole himself will know that. But losing to Watford would just make ignoring it all the more crazy
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
You can phrase however you want. You should never want your team to lose. Ever.
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The fact is, we are going to lose more games this season under Ole...that is absolutely guaranteed. So what people are saying is: let those defeats come now, preferably consecutively, in order to force change...which will lead to fewer defeats in the long term.

It's not rocket science, and you can't really tell other people what they should feel or want, or what the definition of a 'true fan' is.
 
During Moyes' time. I don't feel that way now because there are positives with Ole, we can play attractive football, he is a United legend, he goes after and signs big players, particularly attacking ones. I disliked Moyes immensely while he was at Everton, so to find out he would be United manager was tough. Gave it a fair shot, but my biggest concerns were, we wouldn't sign good players, Moyes loves his bang average english players and that we would play boring football. We didn't sign anyone (except the bog brush, and nothing would have been better) and we played terrible football. It didn't take long and I found myself cheering against United, not a conscious decision, just genuinely found myself cheering for us to lose. Was worth it, got rid of him and I immediately went back to loving and supporting the club to the fullest of my abilities. Haven't felt like that at any time since, including now with Ole, because at the bottom of my heart, as much as I would love to get one of the best managers in the world, I would be happier if we got the same outcome from Ole.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
The fact is, we are going to lose more games this season under Ole...that is absolutely guaranteed. So what people are saying is: let those defeats come now, preferably consecutively, in order to force change...which will lead to fewer defeats in the long term.

It's not rocket science, and you can't really tell other people what they should feel or want, or what the definition of a 'true fan' is.
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Yeah I will take the succession of defeats for his position to FINALLY become untenable for the good of the club
 
I obviously don't want us to lose but I am at a point where I just have little interest in watching the games.

The games are soul destroying to watch and there's no fun left in it. Every 90 minutes is at best a visible truggle against the manager's team selection/tactics, or at worst a humiliation. Every game is also now just a pointless prolonging of the inevitable and waste of everyone's time.

It helps no one. It doesn't help the club to commit to failure week after week. It doesn't help the players to force them to carry on with a scenario where they have no chance to thrive or succeed, or where half have their careers wasted sitting unutilised. It doesn't help Ole to send him out to fail over and over again in front of the world and each time do more damage to his reputation and future career prospects.

If the club had removed Ole in the summer after the Europa league failure (and that is what it was...the all star team of last season's Europa League would have just been our starting line up). then he'd have left with a reputation in tact, probably walked into another decent level job. The players could have started this season with a fresh chance. Instead he's going to get sacked anyway, and will be lucky now if any club employs him again. Every game makes multiple players more and more demotivated or unhappy. Its already written off an entire season less than a third of the way in. We're being asked to watch a pointless year long epilogue of a man getting very slowly sacked from his job. Like being forced to listen to the same Coldplay album 50 times in a row (the most annoying one, with that Clocks song on it), in full, before you're allowed to decide you don't like it.
 
Every win feels like a stay of execution, every loss feels expected. I really don't care if we win or lose because the end result is the same. The season is a train wreck as long as he stays.
The longer this goes on, the deeper the poison is. Why actively throw the season away this early? It's irresponsible. Of all the Glazer episodes, I think this is the worst.
I don't think I want us to lose. It's more of a general disinterest in the result at this point.
 
Drizzle said:
You want us to win the game. I want us to win the season.

Still, it must be great to live in a world free of doubt and nuance.
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Well you're in your own one two where a phantom world class manager swoops in, turns our midfielders into world beaters and leads a title charge.
 
Fortitude said:
What do you think the current times have to do with the 70's or 80's?
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Because he has no clue about the 70s and the 80s. We sacked many after Sir Matt retired. We sacked 5 managers before Fergie took over. And certainly three of them were top managers in the UK.
 
Foxbatt said:
Because he has no clue about the 70s and the 80s. We sacked many after Sir Matt retired. We sacked 5 managers before Fergie took over. And certainly three of them were top managers in the UK.
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Yeah, there's a host of reasons why this is nothing like those times, but I'm curious to see what he says, or if he even replies as I feel it's a lazy and often unchallenged false equivalency that gets bandied about to denote some kind of replication of loyalty for the devoted that has no tangible worth in the here and now.
 
Jippy said:
Well you're in your own one two where a phantom world class manager swoops in, turns our midfielders into world beaters and leads a title charge.
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Not sure where that straw man came from. Right now winning the season is saving top 4, getting us playing well and maybe sneaking a cup. That is eminently achievable if Ole was replaced with a good manager now.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Wanting United to lose because you’re fed up with United losing… ok

I want us to beat Watford with ease and style, if they play like dog shit again then I’ll be further convinced that Ole needs to “pass the baton” - but to actively want a defeat is weird
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Ease and style? Thats not Oles United. Like a broken clock its right twice a day but in general oleball is garbage. We know this.
 
Yes, I want us to get beat against Watford.

I’m taking my emotions out of the equation and simply; a loss here would most likely be a long term gain. We might still finish in the top four and we might progress in the Champions League.

It should never have come to this though.
 
If we know that Ole is 100% sacked if we lose against Watford, no doubts I would take the L there. We have already wasted enough time with him, it cannot continue.
 
McGrathsipan said:
Ease and style? Thats not Oles United. Like a broken clock its right twice a day but in general oleball is garbage. We know this.
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You’re entitled to your opinion but I think you’re taking too much away from him overall due to recent events.

How many times have we scored 4+ goals under Solskjaer compared to Moyes, LvG and Mourinho combined?

We are too close to the picture now but if he left today and we looked back on his reign as a full picture in a few years time, I think he has brought us some of our best performances post-Fergie. I’m absolutely gutted he didn’t win the Europa League at the end of last season to gloss it.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
It's not really a 'not wanting us to lose' feeling but rather a 'winning/goals don't give me as much joy' one. When you are run and managed so shoddily everything seems so pointless.
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Yeah but when Ronaldo scores two volleys you still fecking shit the bed. Like I said in another thread.. I went in to the Spurs game with a mindset of - let’s get beat - and move the feck on. Of course I was jumping up and down when Ronaldo scored that goal.
 
Bestietom said:
Never want my team to lose, but getting used to it now, especially at Old Trafford.
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The people wanting to lose are plastic Diddums fans who can't handle the fact that their glory hunting choice is no longer paying off.

There's not a single Utd fan with a ticket going to an away game or home game hoping we lose. Ever.

I'd take another 3 years of this if it meant we lost most of these so called fans.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
The people wanting to lose are plastic Diddums fans who can't handle the fact that their glory hunting choice is no longer paying off.

There's not a single Utd fan with a ticket going to an away game or home game hoping we lose. Ever.

I'd take another 3 years of this if it meant we lost most of these so called fans.
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I agree. Some fans don't remember the time we were relegated, and I know of some stopped going to games then.
 
Solskjaer wont get the sack with 10 losses in a row anyway so whats the point ?
Nou_Camp99 said:
The people wanting to lose are plastic Diddums fans who can't handle the fact that their glory hunting choice is no longer paying off.

There's not a single Utd fan with a ticket going to an away game or home game hoping we lose. Ever.

I'd take another 3 years of this if it meant we lost most of these so called fans.
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While i dont think wanting United to lose the next game result in any positive with these owners, calling other people plastic fans etc is the stupidest thing i see. It screams a lack of debating skills.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
The people wanting to lose are plastic Diddums fans who can't handle the fact that their glory hunting choice is no longer paying off.

There's not a single Utd fan with a ticket going to an away game or home game hoping we lose. Ever.

I'd take another 3 years of this if it meant we lost most of these so called fans.
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A bit of a contradiction there? So you actually don't mind if we keep losing because of your personal agenda of weeding those you don't feel worthy to follow a football club.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
That's fine because you're not a fan then. This mentality is pathetic.

Do you think the 75,000 who turn up every week, even this season when things aren't too great, go there wanting us to lose?

Grow a pair and man up. Do you think City fans in the 40 years before they were rich went to games wanting to lose?

Support your club.
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You need to get off your high bloody horse and start projecting this aggression towards the Manchester United board that have put fans in such a ridiculous position that they would accept defeats to get rid of the manager.

I personally would never want us to lose a game, but I can fully appreciate why some fans would. This is a catastrophic situation for the club created by the boards inability to see the bigger picture.

No fan actively wants to see their team lose. The very fact that some fans are even having to contemplate such extremities is a glaring failure that falls squarely at the feet of the decision makers.
 
Drizzle said:
Not sure where that straw man came from. Right now winning the season is saving top 4, getting us playing well and maybe sneaking a cup. That is eminently achievable if Ole was replaced with a good manager now.
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If only all that was guaranteed.
 
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