Have we been unlucky?

Bobcat said:
This. We were pinned back all game and ever only looked treathening the couple of times we managed a good break.

We are fecking shite in possesion and no better than we were under Ole
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Yes we are still reliant on counter attacks and unable to control games. Every so often we’ll catch teams out but most of the time the better team who can control dominate will win. Same thing has happened to us two years in a row at Arsenal now. They are much better than us.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
After a certain point it stops being a matter of luck
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This exactly. And the non-penalty vs Spurs and Garnacho's offside goal doesn't excuse the two subsequent goals we concede in each game.

It's more a case of the team lacking spine and resilience.

On the other hand we were extremely lucky with the Onana situation vs Wolves and the sitters that Arsenal missed today.

In regards to the injuries, I'm starting to question our training methods/physical staff. That many injuries that early in the season seems strange. And the fact that we look unfit and knackered after 60 minutes makes it even more baffling.
 
We should have been 2 or 3 up against spurs and ded deserved a point today
 
Fine margins and not much in it today, the unlucky bit is ending up with Maguire and Evans as our defensive pairing today.
 
Unlycky my arse, weak as piss mentality, highlighted by conceding right after scoring, our captain diving around like a fanny looking for fouls when the games carrying on around him, manchester lads pulling out of challenges, donkey ex captain shouting for a foul and doing feck all to close down someone about to shoot on goal

Absolute shite, no point doing 'ok' but bottling key moments constantly
 
Very unlucky this afternoon, Garnacho’s goal was so close to being on and even Rashford could have had a 2nd, bar a very lucky deflection of the heel of the Arsenal defender.

We were very lucky against Wolves however.
 
Luck???

This is how we start every season. Flop the start of the season then catch fire conveniently after the pressure of expectations have died down, right in time to fold for the last third of the season. Maybe also fool enough of us along the way that we're closer than it seems.
 
Obviously not everything is down to bad luck but we’ve had to deal with a perfect storm of:

- Losing both our left backs
- Losing our RCB and then our LCB mid game.
- Our new striker being out injured for the first four games.
- Mount being injured after only two games.
- McTom injured, Mainoo injured. Amad injured.
- Arsenal and Spurs away in the first four games.
- Shitty ownership meaning we have to loan players in on the cheap.
- Takeover situation hanging over the club for months.
 
Eriksen and Casemiro played the entire game. The former was struggling to keep up with the game after 30 minutes, but we had nobody bar Hannibal to bring on.
 
Both defeats were deserved. Away from home against any half decent side, United are always second best. That's just who this team are.
 
Unlucky away from home, lucky at OT. Probably deserve to have 3/4 points this season, so we're +2/+3 on what we should have.
 
oh well, another late capitulation against a rival. I am struggling to think of a time we've managed to sucker punch a rival in the same way in recent times... ?
 
It’s not unlucky. We don’t control games at all. Maguire and Evans as a CB pairing in 2023. No one marking Rice on a 96th corner when 3 United were zonal marking no one. It’s all down to the players and managers not being good enough, and owners who haven’t got a clue how to run a football club. The whole club is a mess and yet another season of shite. Europa League for us again next season. It’s not good enough when we spend £150m plus every single summer.
 
No. If you play like a mid-table side, waiting for moments to fall for you and get the result, then more often than not you will be on the receiving end of losses. We never try to control the game and take it to the opposition against any half decent side. It always seems like we are hanging on for our lives and whenever that happens, any lucky bounce or deflection and you will be conceding. We could have conceded twice when Havertz had a chance and then Saka, but we were lucky that they didn't score.

We need to get away from this cowardly approach against top teams and exert our dominance, otherwise these results against top teams away from home will continue to remain this way.
 
Betson said:
Our form/stats in these types of games say we would have found a way to lose anyway. We always do.

If Varane and Martinez were missing at Anfield last season everyone would be saying we would not concede 7 , the issue is we don't have the mentality to win these games. We were hanging on for dear life before the Rice goal and praying for the final whistle. They were going for the win.
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Yeah maybe.

But that doesn't wipe away how unlucky we've been to already have so many injuries in one area.

Plus the deflected second and close offside.

Whatever our deficiencies that's just plain old bad luck.
 
Yes. we've also been shakey at times. Injuries are a part of football and we'll have to deal with it but it's a serious issue at the moment.

think amrabat and Hoijlund are going to make a massive difference to our game however.
 
We've been unlucky in that we're going into the international break with 11 injuries and our "star striker" just played his first football in a long, long time.

I don't know what's going on with the fitness. The pre-season is most likely somewhat to blame which is another Glazer-Murtaugh special.
 
Solius said:
Obviously not everything is down to bad luck but we’ve had to deal with a perfect storm of:

- Losing both our left backs
- Losing our RCB and then our LCB mid game.
- Our new striker being out injured for the first four games.
- Mount being injured after only two games.
- McTom injured, Mainoo injured. Amad injured.
- Arsenal and Spurs away in the first four games.
- Shitty ownership meaning we have to loan players in on the cheap.
- Takeover situation hanging over the club for months.
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Spot on. Injuries has really affected us like Chelsea. I believe us and Chelsea has had bad luck with injuries so far this season compared to most teams.

But other than that, I feel that our performance should still be better than what it is. Our xg numbers aren't great and we are being dominated most games we played so far.

We do have to deal with a perfect storm, but it doesn't excuse us from not performing much better than we are on the pitch. Perhaps with Holjund we will start seeing a more positive shift in our performance. Hopefully, things get turned around because I feel like we can't afford a slow start like last season if we want to challenge for the title
 
The only bad luck we've had is our midfield injuries. Amrabat was signed too late. Varane, Shaw, and Martial are injury prone. Them being unavailable isn't bad luck. It's expected. Mount spent the majority of last season out injured as well. This is how we tend to play. Mostly shit. Pass the ball around at the back and lose it when we make it to the middle third. We're good in moments. Rashford's goal and Garnacho's offside goal is how we tend to score. Attacking transitions.

Our away record against the top half is shocking and not down to bad luck.
 
mav_9me said:
Based off those lines how is that not offside?
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Two things. First we need to know that the right frame was chosen and that it is when Casemiro first makes contact with the ball and second they've used this weird angle to draw the line from his shoulder when in actual fact it looks as though the head is the part of the body they should be basing it on. This angle they use to decide where to choose the line is deceptive because the shoulder is closer to the camera making look closer to goal than his head, but we don't know for certain. They need to be drawing two lines there to make sure human error is taken out of the equation.

I actually don't know whether this is offside or not, because we haven't been given all the information. Surely this technology should be used by someone a bit more tech savvy than these referees. The technology is really not the problem, but it needs to be used properly.

Arsenal know from experience after Brentford last season that VAR is not infallible when it comes to offside decisions.
 
No, we have shit players coming off the bench due to a shite transfer window and shite management. EtH is also not blameless with the money spent on Onana and Mount, instead of another CB
 
Garnacho was onside, but the final score was fair enough. We went brain dead on the Rice goal. You can’t go brain dead if you want to win matches.
 
We're possibly a little unlucky. But ultimately, we need to be a team that doesn't have to rely on the tightest margins / decisions going in our favour to scrape a victory. The fact that ever performance is so on the edge and without any sense of control is just a reflection of a squad that isn't up to it at the moment.
 
How can you genuinely claim “we’re unlucky with Hojlund injury” when we knew he was injured the moment we bought him? It’s not like it happened after his arrival to United. We brought in an injured player and ETH knew it and still proceeded with this transfer. That’s calculated risk, nothing “unlucky” about this.
 
Rightnr said:
No, we have shit players coming off the bench due to a shite transfer window and shite management. EtH is also not blameless with the money spent on Onana and Mount, instead of another CB
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The 100m we spent on Onana and Mount was indeed a gross misallocation of club resources.
 
We'll never compete consistently until we learn to control games in midfield. I hope that Amrabat can add that and we move the ball through the middle to our forwards better once he brings his progressive passing in.
 
golden_blunder said:
I think it was. We’ve been done there
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Ehhh… If we also start to question VAR’s offside decisions we are on wrong track here. VAR’s offside technology is equal to truth.

Very small margins and luck often correlates though.
 
mav_9me said:
Based off those lines how is that not offside?
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Because it's not a straight side on view, it's the weird slanted angle they like to use.
And they just draw the lines after.

Still may well be offside, but a lot of them look debatable.
 
We finished a PL game against the ‘second beatI’ team with Maguire AND Evans on the pitch.

This is not luck. It’s the stupidity of the club and we get what we deserve
 
Widow said:
We'll never compete consistently until we learn to control games in midfield. I hope that Amrabat can add that and we move the ball through the middle to our forwards better once he brings his progressive passing in.
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We had Eriksen in there who I thought was pretty superb with his passing today, not least creating the goal.
 
No, not really. You can't expect to concede that much of the ball in your own half most of the game, then have Saka and Havertz miss sitters and believe that you were hard done by.

If we could actually pass the ball in the oppositions half with any competency then the whole unlucky thing doesn't even become a thing. Just make your luck by being better.

They scored three. Even with our two, made sure of it.
 
K Stand Knut said:
We finished a PL game against the ‘second beatI’ team with Maguire AND Evans on the pitch.

This is not luck. It’s the stupidity of the club and we get what we deserve
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In fairness, any team that have their first 4 choices for centre back injured would struggle fielding their 5th and 6th combo!
 
Sandikan said:
In fairness, any team that have their first 4 choices for centre back injured would struggle fielding their 5th and 6th combo!
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But the number of injuries we have has been raised by many. The lack of rotation by ETH last season is seen by many as a factor.
 
Today we have definitely been unlucky. It happens.
 
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