Havana Syndrome | New links to Russia

It might be a invisible communist ray gun or it might be that torturing animals for 8 hours a day causes depression.
 
Apparently there is potential to link the frey effect to HBI/CBI (human-brain-interface/computer-brain-interface).

Basically, it works, in theory by stimulating the cochlea. You use, if you're in intelligence or medicine, some form of microwave (non-lethal) radiatory device to target specific areas of the head. The sides just above the ear(s) are typically best. Then, over time, you begin to communicate according to the conditioned form which is imposed upon you. For example, specific areas of the brain might be very active according to targetting and the rest will be less active. As a result, you will communicate via reverb vibrato. A feedback loop. They - medical perhaps - use microwave/audio conversion techniques to bounce the sound back from the target with the source being the target's head.

The computational system, then, links from the conversional device and builds a profile over time which equals more feedback to the target. This basically means that you (they - medical theoretical, or intel, likely) start to communicate with your own previously uttered "thoughts". You stop "thinking" in effect and only engage with the EM (sound here) spasm mechanism via the vibratto. Sound-waves as it were "attack" your head and rebound like sonar if the CBI system is set up correctly. This conditions the subject to "listen to" their own "thoughts" (previous things they've engaged with via the CBI system) in such a way that they do not realize they are doing it. Over time, and below the threshold of consciousness, the subject(s) are susceptible to being exploited as the computer (CBI system) can, practically, not only theoretically, start inserting "feedback" which originates from elsewhere (controller - the person using prompts, like samples if you know music - can begin to infiltrate). Sounds very inception-like, but it's practical at this point with both utopian and dystopian connotations.

As a rejoinder, I only know so much about this because I have been diagnosed with electromagnetic radiation poisioning over a seven month period which mimicked many of the Havana symptoms which previously I thought, like many in this thread, to be completely tinfoil hat nonsense stuff. Too judgemental to be fair. Some crazy stuff going around about it, but I'm avoiding all of that and trying to stick entirely to logic and reason which is difficult. My case is most likely environmental, likely having to do with all kinds of contagion from waves and cellular stuff that apparently I'm very sensitive to. But at some point I was exposed, accidentally, I guess, to a severe dose of radiation poisoning. Anyway, interest to know thoughts of posters here that know about this like

@Raoul
@Revan
@That'sHernandez
@Big-Red


Raoul for military reasons (general knowledge).
Revan and BigRed because computer science insofar as I remember.
That'sHernandez because CBI/computer/frey effect aside I'd like to know about radiation poisioning because the NHS is overworked and none of them remember my name (not their fault).

ChatGPT it btw, the key-terms I mean. It's interesting reading.
 
Electro-magnetic waves interfering with the brain are not novel, yet the malaise could in principle depend on the shielding embassies use to get privacy inside their premises!?
 
That'sHernandez said:
I know literally nothing about radiation poisoning, mate.
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no worries.

was just doing CHATGPT and doctor agreed all the signs were consistent. not havana obviously, much more banal and environmental (general stuff, sensitivity), but curious as to what departments would be best? would cultures/tests for exposure be good idea? consultation with gp is some ways off so curious if you'd have an idea about that?

on the Havana syndrome stuff, I do believe it's true now just from incidental reading relative to, but not directly related, my own experience. Had to read a lot about the frey effect and angular mirroring and so forth because that's the literature when you search for EMFR poisoning. mad stuff really. as i said at the start of this thread it's scifi stuff.
 
neverdie said:
no worries.

was just doing CHATGPT and doctor agreed all the signs were consistent. not havana obviously, much more banal and environmental (general stuff, sensitivity), but curious as to what departments would be best? would cultures/tests for exposure be good idea? consultation with gp is some ways off so curious if you'd have an idea about that?

on the Havana syndrome stuff, I do believe it's true now just from incidental reading relative to, but not directly related, my own experience. Had to read a lot about the frey effect and angular mirroring and so forth because that's the literature when you search for EMFR poisoning. mad stuff really. as i said at the start of this thread it's scifi stuff.
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Have you tagged the right person? I’m not a doctor at all
 


The absence of a consistent set of abnormalities among any group in the AHI cohort suggests several things. First, if a directed energy “attack” is truly involved, it seems to create symptoms without persistent or detectable physiologic changes.2 A lack of evidence for a brain injury does not necessarily mean that no injury is present or that it did not occur at the time of the AHI. It is also possible that those with AHIs may be experiencing the results of an injury that led to PPPD and other symptoms but is no longer detectable. Alternatively, the “attack’s” physiological effects might be so varied and idiosyncratic that they cannot be identified with the current methodologies and sample size.

On the other hand, if a directed energy “attack” is not involved in the AHI cases or involved in just a few, then it is likely that the functional disorders identified may explain some of the study findings. The individuals in this cohort live in a high-stress environment and communicate frequently, which would seem an ideal circumstance for the spread of functional disorders. Some of the findings support this notion. Forty-one percent of the participants in the AHI cohort met the criteria for functional neurological disorder and/or had significant somatic symptoms.18 These cases occurred in both AHI groups and in patients from nearly every geographic location.
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the most i got out of that is investigating the issue has accidentally stumbled into exposing existing Russian intel op's in the US. The car chase stuff was promoted as potentially unearth clues about the tech. In reality it uncovered how a spy covers their tracks. Another piece of coverage that really just raises questions about how extensive foreign spying in the US might be.
 
WPMUFC said:
the most i got out of that is investigating the issue has accidentally stumbled into exposing existing Russian intel op's in the US. The car chase stuff was promoted as potentially unearth clues about the tech. In reality it uncovered how a spy covers their tracks. Another piece of coverage that really just raises questions about how extensive foreign spying in the US might be.
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The most damning information in the piece actually didn't happen in the US. It happened in Tblisi where the Commander's son of the Russian unit suspected of the attacks was seen outside the home of the woman who got attacked. Plus the odd, intercepted phone call in Russian in the same city the night before.

Grozev's contribution to exposing it was the missing link to creating a legitimate Russian linkage to all the attacks.
 
Raoul said:
The most damning information in the piece actually didn't happen in the US. It happened in Tblisi where the son of the Russian unit suspected of the attacks was seen outside the home of the woman who got attacked. Plus the odd, intercepted phone call in Russian in the same city the night before.
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to be honest, a lot of that stuff came across as uncovering spy rings as well. The stuff about blinking lights on a device could be absolutely unrelated, could be intercepted communication of a bugging operation etc. The kid potentially being in the town would also be explained by a bugging/intel operation.

Do I think think the radio wave attack theory is impossible? No. But i'd need much more than what's being offered here. All I come away with here is that Russia has a bigger and more brazen intel operation than I knew about.
 
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Will be interesting to see how this develops. Will the government ignore the new reporting?
 
The one thing I'm not really buying (yet) is the Russians spending resources on doing this dozens of times across the world.

I buy that they may have done this a couple of times to test the technology and the US response but not more than that. Why woulf they?
 
VorZakone said:
The one thing I'm not really buying (yet) is the Russians spending resources on doing this dozens of times across the world.

I buy that they may have done this a couple of times to test the technology and the US response but not more than that. Why woulf they?
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Hmm, another nuance. It may have been the host country themselves using the technology on Americans.

According to the source, the Vietnamese may have been told to use the technology to listen in on the Americans ahead of Harris's trip — but they may not have known this the technology could harm the people they were using it on.
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Redplane said:
In other words: the CIA was using its own employees as lab rats while not blaming another country but making people still think it was another country. 4D chess those mad lads! :cool:
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Planey, I wish you wouldn’t have said this. Now you and me got to take a little ride. C’mon, get in the car. I want to show you a spot in the woods.





*the slide racks on a Glock 45*
 
“We need to prove a brain injury. But doctors we are sent to are told not to write brain injury. And they’ll never accept anything else additional,” a Havana Syndrome patient who asked not to be named said. “This how they’re making it go away.”
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The CIA has consistently lied to the American public about anomalous health incidents (AHI) for the last several years and may be guilty of obstruction of justice, according to documents recently released by the U.S. government.
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“The information seen first-hand by this whistleblower directly contradicts the asserted conclusions that U.S. personnel, particularly within the IC, are not being attacked by a foreign power using some sort of directed energy. It asserts the existence of classified documents, which are specifically identified in the complaint, is being deliberately covered up, including being withheld from other investigating federal agencies."
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