The only answer I have is you're a Lukaku fanboy and defend him in every thread he is mentioned no matter how bad or poor value he is.
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The only answer I have is you're a Lukaku fanboy and defend him in every thread he is mentioned no matter how bad or poor value he is.
Yeah, I've always wondered why we don't play with 2 up top more often. It would suit all our attackers much more. It just seems so obvious.
The times we done it, vs Chelsea at home a few years ago for instance, we looked much more threatening.
If you think Vardy is better than Lukaku, that's your opinion. You asked me why he had a good record against the top 6 and I think most people would agree with my answer.
So Everton not playing to his strength is the reason why his record was so bad for them as well? Ok...
Vardy and Lukaku are different players. Lukaku offers more in build up than people give him credit for. You asked me about Vardy's top 6 record and I gave you my answer. Lukaku was still a good PL goal scorer for Everton and West Brom.
You do realise Lukaku was bought before Neymar changed the market
Except one player doesn't change the market. Why does this nonsense get spouted this much?
The only real effect Neymar sale had was that maybe Spanish clubs put their buyout clauses a bit higher.
Your other comments are even more laughable.
I hate how we don’t have one striker we can rely on consistently, and I think Ole does as well.
So naturally the big money signing who’s at an age where he should be performing consistently needs to be sold and another option brought in.
Never mind the fact that Lukaku is technically limited to say the least and physically unlimited around the waist area.
I don’t hate him. I just hate the fact that we actually thought it wise to pay £75m for him. He was never, ever good enough, never mind his attitude.
Thankfully OGS seems to have figured this all out rather quickly.
So naturally the big money signing who’s at an age where he should be performing consistently needs to be sold and another option brought in.
Never mind the fact that Lukaku is technically limited to say the least and physically unlimited around the waist area.
I don’t hate him. I just hate the fact that we actually thought it wise to pay £75m for him. He was never, ever good enough, never mind his attitude.
Thankfully OGS seems to have figured this all out rather quickly.
They do if they are smashing records. Go learn about the history of the transfer market.
Sadly theres no clown emoji to post for you.
One of the things about Lukaku is he doesn’t seem to have developed as well as he should. I watched a sky sports but on his goals (think it was PL 100 goals club) and what struck me about his younger days was his mobility. He was always a powerhouse but he was genuinely mobile a few years ago. He just looks like a bit old lump at the moment, which in turn makes him look lazy....and one thing everyone hates is lazy players
I would say the opposite. Lukaku is almost a stationary target at times. Vardy allows the team to expand their play with how he moves defenders about
He is also the only one to have had a full season as a striker.
As for martial not being able to dribble? Hes far better than lukaku at that.
What other atrributes does lukaku have other than alright (but far from great) finishing? Not saying i think hes crap but your arguments ranged from flimsy to shite there.
Correct. After all it's scoring vs the direct rival that elevates the team above. A striker that only bags vs small teams should have more of a claim to play for them infact . because smaller teams needs to best other small clubs in their fight.(not saying he couldn't be option for a big team). And likewise big teams needs big striker goals to finish above their rival. 10 big games a year is a lot of points.
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Nobody hates Lukaku... that's a terrible thing to say...
If it were as simple as that people would not be wondering who we would get to pay his transfer fee and wages.
A bad thread title on my part. I should have said not rating Lukaku.
We are crying out for a natural goalscorer. Lukaku may get one in two but I never have confidence he'll hit the target, let alone score. We need a RVN type of striker, if there is one out there.
Andy Cole started from a much higher technical level though. Cole not getting involved in the build up much at Newcastle was not because he couldn't do it, more a choice in how to use him. Much quicker feet than Lukaku, better body control, better movement, Rom probably the more consistent finisher but far less range and creativity. Cole just a much better player frankly.
I dont hate any of them, but id say of the three Martial has the highest ceiling and is the least awful when not on form, where are Rashford and Lukaku are utter liabilities when they are off their game. The lack of consistency is what bothers me about all three. If they could raise their bottom level, they would be good enough imo, but a top club cant have strikers that dont show up for work half the season
Lukaku is a good goalscorer but a poor footballer. In big games he gets shut down completely most of the time so he becomes pretty pointless. He's just not suited to a big team. Martial and Rashford both have huge potential, but are still young. Martial needs to kick on but he does have the potential, so there is hope that he can put it together. Same with Rashford. If we stick with them, there is the potential that our attacking problems are sorted (for those 2 positions). With Lukaku, there's nothing to hope for. He is what he is, a decent striker who can score goals somewhat reliably but will offer pretty much nothing else. I'd much rather stick with Rashford and Martial in the hope they can make that step up.
Martial wasn't happy being on the bench. His role has changed since Ole has come in and more often then not he's the starter (when fit). Lukaku wants to be an undisputed first choice striker. He's just straight up not going to have that here because he is far from good enough for that type of role. It's not so much ambition as it's just wanting to be an automatic starter. If the manager prefers a younger player and a local lad to be the main striker purely based on style of play, well then there's not much for Lukaku here then is there? It's not like he'll ever be a permanent choice in Ole's eyes. I'd keep him because we have much bigger issues for next season, but after that I'd sell because hopefully we'd have sorted the issues out. But if he wants out, then we can get a big price for him hopefully so that could help make our team stronger overall.
Not to mention Lukaku and Martial technically are different positions anyway. Martial has the left to pretty much himself given that Ole wants his striker to be Rashford (not like Sanchez is actual competition). Martial suits Ole for a few different formations and systems, Lukaku just needs to play up top. Martial is in his starting 11 when all are fit, Lukaku isn't. Martial is younger, and despite you never being a fan of his, he really does have loads of potential though of course he has to start delivering more frequently.
How has Lingard been dicked around? He's almost exclusively played in his preferred position where he's been lackluster compared to a vast number of other #10's.
Similar with Martial, he's out on the left with the occasional match up top. He might get benched but it's not like he's been performing like a player that shouldn't be benched. They all have that in common.
Rashford is the only one that's been switched between a forward and playing on the right or left (still a forward). His form up top is poor as in he's not delivering the goals that we expect and is quite limited if we're not in position because he's got poor movement and doesn't hold up ball well.
Similar with Martial, he's out on the left with the occasional match up top. He might get benched but it's not like he's been performing like a player that shouldn't be benched. They all have that in common.
Rashford is the only one that's been switched between a forward and playing on the right or left (still a forward). His form up top is poor as in he's not delivering the goals that we expect and is quite limited if we're not in position because he's got poor movement and doesn't hold up ball well.
He’s a good player but not a great one. His strategy to try and get a pay rise is sheer delusion, however. He’s not come close to earning one. He should go to Bayern if their interest is true, he’d probably get 40 a season there and could continue the fantasy in his head that he’s an elite player.
Lukuku should be taking a pay cut, he’s pathetic. He doesn’t have the attitude to succeed at Utd. He’s been unfit all season, which is an absolute disgrace.
Problem Lukuku has is that I can’t see any decent team that would want him, he’s quite frankly not good enough. Happy for him to go, but the takers will be few and far between.
Best, realistic outcome is that he pulls his finger out, starts playing like a proper footballer and we can all be relatively happy (transfer fee aside) for him to be a decent squad player.
I'll have no issue if we replace him for someone better but I've never understood the hate. Give him some actual service and he'd score a hell of a lot more, in those early days of Pogba feeding him centrally and Martial down the left he looked lethal.
We don't have anyone giving him the early through ball centrally at the moment so he's become more and more static because why bother running
We don't have anyone giving him the early through ball centrally at the moment so he's become more and more static because why bother running
I think this is best summed up with the RVN situation.
Clearly Lukaku is our best striker, as in, he can put the ball in the back of the net more, and better, than the rest of our forward line, but people want a better style of football that would suit Rashford and Martials style of play more, as opposed to Lukaku.
For me personally, i feel most of his contribution is against weaker teams anyway and he tends to go missing a bit on the bigger occasions, genuinely didn't want us to get him at the time, so if he left it honestly wouldn't bother me.
Clearly Lukaku is our best striker, as in, he can put the ball in the back of the net more, and better, than the rest of our forward line, but people want a better style of football that would suit Rashford and Martials style of play more, as opposed to Lukaku.
For me personally, i feel most of his contribution is against weaker teams anyway and he tends to go missing a bit on the bigger occasions, genuinely didn't want us to get him at the time, so if he left it honestly wouldn't bother me.
For me, he is our best striker. Only one who i trust that he will score goals week after week( if he plays all the time and if he plays as no9).
Is he good enough for winning us title? I don't know. But if we sell him than we need to buy world class striker, that is for sure.
Is he good enough for winning us title? I don't know. But if we sell him than we need to buy world class striker, that is for sure.
I also still don’t understand some people think that Lukaku is better.
Rashford is a better option to have. Quicker, more intelligent with his movement, better first touch, ball control, more skill full, better dribbler. The only aspect that Lukaku is better than Rashford is finishing, heading ability & strength. And yet, three out of the 4 aspects are shown inconsistently by Lukaku.
Lukaku had so much love by Mourinho, even when he had 10 games without scoring, Jose still keep playing him. Rashford’s form is nothing worse than Lukaku’s in Mourinho era. Rashford hasn’t been scoring only for his last two games in a row as a starter.
To make it worse is that Lukaku acts like he’s a top player with his comment about United squad lacks quality. Sure, he’s not wrong but he’s part of the player who lacks quality as well. And not only that, he even gave a hints that he would love to play for Juventus and recently we had a news regarding him want to join another club to win trophy.
He wants to go, and the fans show him the door. I don’t see it as an issue. Big wages, fees was 80m plus, too much limit in his ability, & Rashford is right now ahead of him. You can argue that he doesn’t have enough quality behind him, but when he had KDB, Hazard & Mertens in World Cup, he only performed against Panama & Tunisia.
Rashford isn't a better dribbler, he actually loses the ball quite often when trying to beat a man and the times he does is down to pace. His hold up play isn't as good and he's more rash on the ball than Lukaku is, even when noting the heavier touch for Romelu. Rashford doesn't have better heading ability than Lukaku either, wtf is that about?!
Not sure what your point about his World Cup campaign is about, he did very well and finished marginally behind Kane as the tournament's top goal scorer didn't he?
I don't dislike him, but like too many of our squad, if he isn't playing 8 or 9 out of 10, then he plays 3 or 4 out of 10
Rarely anything inbetween.
He'll never be a skilled footballer, but he can score goals if he gets the service - which brings us back to our lack of good or even genuine wingers, which is not Lukaku's fault.
Rarely anything inbetween.
He'll never be a skilled footballer, but he can score goals if he gets the service - which brings us back to our lack of good or even genuine wingers, which is not Lukaku's fault.
We keep Lukaku I reckon we should take a punt on Deulofeu they linked up really well at Everton
I have said enough, you can believe whatever you want to believe with Lukaku’s ability.
In additional, you need to learn how to read. I never said Rashford has a better heading ability. And the World Cup is simple, even with world class players behind him, he still couldn’t score against decent opposition. This is why stats is blinding people, being 2nd top scorer by only scoring against Panama & Tunisia.
knows what to say in interviews, unfortunately, he’s a very limited player
The reason we managed to finish 2nd last season was because of his goals. People may not like to hear it but he is a better striker at the moment than rashford and for sure martial.
Apologies, misread the heading point.
Odd that you actually rate Rashford's dribbling. He's so reliant on his pace to beat a man it's a joke.
I rate it higher than Lukaku doesn’t mean I rate it highly as what you think.
You rate it as superior to Lukaku so it's probably too high.
Being better than Lukaku doesn’t make it as “too high’’
You make Lukaku sounds like top class, that’s the main issue to every Lukaku’s argument.
Being better than Lukaku doesn’t make it as “too high’’
You make Lukaku sounds like top class, that’s the main issue to every Lukaku’s argument.
I don't. You don't need to have top class dribbling to be better than Rashford's level.
No one wants to hate him. He brings it upon himself. All our attacking talents have been let downs for one reason or another.
For me personally Lukakus inate inability to hold up the ball along with the fact he is often the most flat footed static player I have witnessed live just infuriates me.
Just think he isn't good enough. No hard feeling other than when he talks a big game after he has a purple patch.
All that said I still want him to do well for us as the less problems we have the better.
For me personally Lukakus inate inability to hold up the ball along with the fact he is often the most flat footed static player I have witnessed live just infuriates me.
Just think he isn't good enough. No hard feeling other than when he talks a big game after he has a purple patch.
All that said I still want him to do well for us as the less problems we have the better.
I never refer “top class” in dribbling. My point is you make Lukaku sounds like a top class player by neglecting what Lukaku can’t do better and what Rashford can do better. In additional, just because I call him better than Lukaku in certain aspect you acted like it’s off the chart.
I have already told you and I will say it twice: I have said enough, you can believe whatever you want to believe with Lukaku’s ability.