Hasslebank to replace Forlan?

[Mike[South Africa]]

He seems to be interested when Barcelona tried to sign him, and I read on sky that he said at his age 30 it is impossible not to accept the offer. So imagine ManYoo offers him a job he will take it with 5hands.
Interesting comment I read on the board about Forlan is why did'nt he played more games in the reserves team and only after that play in the starting line up.I still say that if Yorke and Cole got all the chance Forlan is getting now they would never leave the best team in England and go and play for a second hand team like Blackburn.Did you know that Forlan was seen by a scout of Manchester and not by Fergie.How happy is Middlesbrough now that they did'nt sign him.

 

[sin65]

Forlan was seen by Fergies brother on a scouting mission for a defender and acquired for his all round ability as well as his goal rate at Independiente.
From manutdzone:-
He made his debut for the Independiente first-team against Argentinos Juniors in October 1998. His first full season 1999-00 was not prolific, but out-of-position he still struck six times in 22 matches.In what was by all accounts a mediocre Argentine team, the following Apertura season he netted 12 goals in 18 games as Independiente finished seventh, scoring a hat-trick on the opening day of the season as they hammered Velez Sarsfield 4-1.
Forlans style is the style of play man utd fans like to watch, full of flair and if you like te ld swashbuckling style.Given more full games he will come into his own like other great Old Trafford favourites such as Gordon Hill who was pretty lazy and not a prolific goalscorer but the fans loved him.

 

[MrBurns]

It appears that all your posts are having a dig at Forlan.

You dont half talk a lot of shit.

 

[Livvie]

Originally posted by sin65:
<strong> if you like te ld swashbuckling style.Given more full games he will come into his own like other great Old Trafford favourites such as Gordon Hill who was pretty lazy and not a prolific goalscorer but the fans loved him.</strong><hr></blockquote>


51 goals from 132 (1) appearances seems pretty prolific to me for a winger.

Giggs has 105 from 439 (48).

 

[sin65]

Originally posted by Livvie20:
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51 goals from 132 (1) appearances seems pretty prolific to me for a winger.

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Yeah I suppose I mean by todays glory fan standards.Gordon Hill was my favourite player as a kid,ruined my chances of being a footballer cos I insisted on playing left wing when I could`nt kick the ball with my left foot
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Hated Sexton for selling him cos he wouldnt cross the halfway line.

 

[CremboMan]

Diego Forlan is irreplaceable <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />

 

[Raoul]

Originally posted by Mike[South Africa]:
<strong>He seems to be interested when Barcelona tried to sign him, and I read on sky that he said at his age 30 it is impossible not to accept the offer. So imagine ManYoo offers him a job he will take it with 5hands.
Interesting comment I read on the board about Forlan is why did'nt he played more games in the reserves team and only after that play in the starting line up.I still say that if Yorke and Cole got all the chance Forlan is getting now they would never leave the best team in England and go and play for a second hand team like Blackburn.Did you know that Forlan was seen by a scout of Manchester and not by Fergie.How happy is Middlesbrough now that they did'nt sign him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

WTF ??

 

[Ever hopefull]

Never want Piggybank to pull on the United Jersey. If you were offering Gudjohnsen then i'd probably take it

 

[veg]

Originally posted by Mike[South Africa]:
<strong>He seems to be interested when Barcelona tried to sign him, and I read on sky that he said at his age 30 it is impossible not to accept the offer. So imagine ManYoo offers him a job he will take it with 5hands.
Interesting comment I read on the board about Forlan is why did'nt he played more games in the reserves team and only after that play in the starting line up.I still say that if Yorke and Cole got all the chance Forlan is getting now they would never leave the best team in England and go and play for a second hand team like Blackburn.Did you know that Forlan was seen by a scout of Manchester and not by Fergie.How happy is Middlesbrough now that they did'nt sign him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well said i agree with all u said then, i think if yorke an cole had played the same games they'd b near the top scorers in both this seasons champs league and prem and United might not of had the critisism they've had over recent weeks??

<img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />

 

[rajiiiii]

Originally posted by CremboMan:
<strong>Diego Forlan is irreplaceable <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />


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[veg]

Originally posted by rajiiiii:
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Your right! what other player do u know that runs round the pitch so aimlessly an so lost??

 

[curt]

Salas is up for sale. I see him a coming our way.

 

[rajiiiii]

Originally posted by curt:
<strong>Salas is up for sale. I see him a coming our way.</strong><hr></blockquote>
there's a lot of over aged over payed players with big names looking for the next pay check lets hope out scouts can find someone young with raw talent that will set the world alight

i here we turned baro's down DOH!

COME ON!!

 

[spinoza]

Has everyone forgotten we need an additional striker not a Forlan replacement?

 

[kkcbl]

Originally posted by Livvie20:


51 goals from 132 (1) appearances seems pretty prolific to me for a winger.


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A couple of questions :

1. Was he playing mainly as a winger when he scored those goals?

2. If so, then isn't he a more of a winger than a striker? Why then is Fergie trying to play him as a striker? If he was known more as a winger, I'm sure he wud not have been so pressurised to score as can be seen in the case of Fortune who's scored 5 from 25 EPL outings.

3. If he was playing mainly as a stroker, then it wud still have been a decent return but regardless of which position he played in, we must take into account the kind of opposition he faced.

 

[Bury Red]

Originally posted by kkcbl:
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A couple of questions :

1. Was he playing mainly as a winger when he scored those goals?

2. If so, then isn't he a more of a winger than a striker? Why then is Fergie trying to play him as a striker? If he was known more as a winger, I'm sure he wud not have been so pressurised to score as can be seen in the case of Fortune who's scored 5 from 25 EPL outings.

3. If he was playing mainly as a stroker, then it wud still have been a decent return but regardless of which position he played in, we must take into account the kind of opposition he faced.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> Livvie was talking about Gordon Hill's record at OT, not Diego's in Argentina. I agree about the presur on Forlan although his main problem is still that the bulk of his appearances have been 5 or 10 minutes at the end of games where we had lost our way or had already eased off.

As for the type of opposition comment, whilst Fortune shows a lot of guts and commitment and is an excellent squad player all of his 5 premiership goals have come in matches where the opposition were leaking like sieves so hardly quality opposition. He has scored in a 4-1 win over Everton, a 4-3 goal fest vs Boro and 2 in a 6-0 thrashing of Bradford with another in the earlier 4-0 drubbing.

Some of you clueless muppets should sit back and give Forlan a chance before condemning him, rather than believing everything the tabloids and Davo tell you. I have personally been happy with his game as a whole thus far and am just waiting for the goals to start flowing for him, a comment which could similarly apply to almost the entire squad at the minute.

 

[sin65]

Example
Tuesday night in cruise control Diego came on with 15 mins to go and ran around upfront into excellent positions when Becks had the ball and the opportunity to pass but played short keepball tactics,Diegos movement and skill is obvious to anyone who watches him he just needs more time on the pitch to make them count.

 

[Murt]

Originally posted by Bury Red:
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Some of you clueless muppets should sit back and give Forlan a chance before condemning him, rather than believing everything the tabloids and Davo tell you. I have personally been happy with his game as a whole thus far and am just waiting for the goals to start flowing for him, a comment which could similarly apply to almost the entire squad at the minute.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Here, here.
Ive also been happy enough with him, he was signed as a long term player. Hes not the first player to have a slow start with us and he wont be the last. Ive always loved triers ho play for us, Dion & Andy Cole are the two most recent that spring to mind, both were adored by the fan, as is Forlan.
I can understand ABU's slagging him but ppl who claim to be Man Utd fans mocking him is a disgrace imo.
I maintain, anyone mocking better be prepared never to celebrate anything he ever does for utd.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by Bury Red:
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Some of you clueless muppets should sit back and give Forlan a chance before condemning him, rather than believing everything the tabloids and Davo tell you. I have personally been happy with his game as a whole thus far and am just waiting for the goals to start flowing for him, a comment which could similarly apply to almost the entire squad at the minute.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm saying little re Forlan..he's speaking for himself..

I actually feel sorry for the poor cnut, and whilst I'm obviously going to poke a bit of fun at him ( can you imagine the what woyld happen here if we'd signed him? ) I think he should he be given a chance before being written off completely..

Tho I do think that he'll fail...

 

[$ukhjit]

Originally posted by Bury Red:

As for the type of opposition comment, whilst Fortune shows a lot of guts and commitment and is an excellent squad player all of his 5 premiership goals have come in matches where the opposition were leaking like sieves so hardly quality opposition. He has scored in a 4-1 win over Everton, a 4-3 goal fest vs Boro and 2 in a 6-0 thrashing of Bradford with another in the earlier 4-0 drubbing.

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Didn't he also score two against South Melbourne in the World Club Championship at Rio's Maracana Stadium.

 

[kkcbl]

Apologies to Livvie.

And thank you for pointing out my erroneous reading of her post, Bury Red!

I shall now quietly go....

 

[Bury Red]

Originally posted by kkcbl:
<strong>Apologies to Livvie.

And thank you for pointing out my erroneous reading of her post, Bury Red!

I shall now quietly go....

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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> No probs.

$ukhjit, he did indeed score 2 against South Melbourne but as the original post picked up on his "Premiership" goal tally I felt I should respond in kind. What is it with people who can't read within context around here

Davo you were just the first name that came to mind when I had to think of a sarky scouse git, no offence intended. You're right about the boot being on the other foot if he'd signed for Liverpool though, however I do think our criticism of

is more justified as he is supposed to be a settled Premiership player and main England striker, both tags which he tries his damndest to refute by his performances at times

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by Bury Red:
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Davo you were just the first name that came to mind when I had to think of a sarky scouse git, no offence intended. You're right about the boot being on the other foot if he'd signed for Liverpool though, however I do think our criticism of is more justified as he is supposed to be a settled Premiership player and main England striker, both tags which he tries his damndest to refute by his performances at times </strong><hr></blockquote>

No offence taken, tho the general attack on Heskey is his lack of goal scoring...no credit is ever given to his other qualities..

So, using the same criteria, you 7.5m Uruguayan International Striker doesn't really measure up to well does he?

 

[michael owen's mum]

emile heskey has a 1 in 3 strike rate for liverpool, which i'm perfectly happy with. . .so criticism of his goalscoring record is unjustified.

 

[Murt]

Originally posted by Davo:
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No offence taken, tho the general attack on Heskey is his lack of goal scoring...no credit is ever given to his other qualities..
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Were allways highlighting his ability to defen corners.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by Murt:
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Were allways highlighting his ability to defen corners. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes the fact that he's strong and powerful in the air is something that is used by you to have a go?

Whereas factors used to build Forlan up are "he tries hard"??, "busy", "pacy" and the like...

The fact that he's not as reliable a goalscorer as the much maligned Heskey is, of course, forgotten...

 

[Murt]

Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>

Yes the fact that he's strong and powerful in the air is something that is used by you to have a go?

Whereas factors used to build Forlan up are "he tries hard"??, "busy", "pacy" and the like...

The fact that he's not as reliable a goalscorer as the much maligned Heskey is, of course, forgotten... </strong><hr></blockquote>

neither of them can be relied on to score goals at the present. Heskey is the finished article, has played in this league for over 5 yrs and has god knows how many starts under his belt. Forlan is quite the opposite.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by Murt:
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neither of them can be relied on to score goals at the present. Heskey is the finished article, has played in this league for over 5 yrs and has god knows how many starts under his belt. Forlan is quite the opposite.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Heskey also has excellent performances and goals under his belt..

Forlan has a charitable penalty

As I say, if Forlan was ours he would be slated and labelled crap...no one hear would suggest that he has any promise

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by Davo:
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Heskey also has excellent performances and goals under his belt..

Forlan has a charitable penalty

As I say, if Forlan was ours he would be slated and labelled crap...no one hear would suggest that he has any promise</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course we would, like we did with Baros last year, thats just normal banter. The difference with Heskey is that he's not going to get much better, he's your record buy, an england centre forward, yet he shouldn't be first choice for England or yourselves, on account of rarely scoring - and thats funny.

 

[michael owen's mum]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Of course we would, like we did with Baros last year, thats just normal banter. The difference with Heskey is that he's not going to get much better, he's your record buy, an england centre forward, yet he shouldn't be first choice for England or yourselves, on account of rarely scoring - and thats funny. </strong><hr></blockquote>


see above. heskey's 1 in 3 is a world away from 1 charity penalty in 28. . .

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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see above. heskey's 1 in 3 is a world away from 1 charity penalty in 28. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>
Only cos you're ignoring his record with Independiente. I could pick 28 consecutive games for Heskey where he didn't score even 1.

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Only cos you're ignoring his record with Independiente. I could pick 28 consecutive games for Heskey where he didn't score even 1. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Go on then...

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by Davo:
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Go on then...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I stand corrected, it was 20 games without a goal:
Date Competition HomeTeam Score AwayTeam Goals Scored
05-09-2001 World Cup England 2-0 Albania 0
08-09-2001 English Premier Liverpool 1-3 Aston Villa 0
11-09-2001 European Cup Liverpool 1-1 Boavista 0
15-09-2001 English Premier Everton 1-3 Liverpool 0
19-09-2001 European Cup B. Dortmund 0-0 Liverpool 0
22-09-2001 English Premier Liverpool 1-0 Tottenham 0
26-09-2001 European Cup Liverpool 1-0 Dynamo Kiev 0
30-09-2001 English Premier Newcastle 0-2 Liverpool 0
06-10-2001 World Cup England 2-2 Greece 0
09-10-2001 English League Cup Liverpool 1-2 Grimsby 0
13-10-2001 English Premier Liverpool 1-1 Leeds 0
16-10-2001 European Cup Dynamo Kiev 1-2 Liverpool 0
20-10-2001 English Premier Leicester 1-4 Liverpool 0
24-10-2001 European Cup Boavista 1-1 Liverpool 0
27-10-2001 English Premier Charlton 0-2 Liverpool 0
30-10-2001 European Cup Liverpool 2-0 B. Dortmund 0
04-11-2001 English Premier Liverpool 3-1 Man Utd 0
10-11-2001 International England 1-1 Sweden 0
17-11-2001 English Premier Blackburn 1-1 Liverpool 0
20-11-2001 European Cup Liverpool 1-3 Barcelona 0

and add another 14 games without scoring a goal after that makes 1 goal scored in 35 games. And most of those he started and played full games.

01-12-2001 English Premier Derby 0-1 Liverpool 0
05-12-2001 European Cup Roma 0-0 Liverpool 0
08-12-2001 English Premier Liverpool 2-0 Middlesbro 0
12-12-2001 English Premier Liverpool 0-0 Fulham 0
16-12-2001 English Premier Chelsea 4-0 Liverpool 0
23-12-2001 English Premier Liverpool 1-2 Arsenal 0
29-12-2001 English Premier West Ham 1-1 Liverpool 0
01-01-2002 English Premier Liverpool 1-1 Bolton 0
05-01-2002 English FA Cup Liverpool 3-0 Birmingham 0
09-01-2002 English Premier Southampton 2-0 Liverpool 0
13-01-2002 English Premier Arsenal 1-1 Liverpool 0
19-01-2002 English Premier Liverpool 1-1 Southampton 0
22-01-2002 English Premier Man Utd 0-1 Liverpool 0
27-01-2002 English FA Cup Arsenal 1-0 Liverpool 0

Admittedly this includes the England games, but my point was that he was shit in those too. Either way, far far worse than Forlan's barren run, in a new country, at a young age.

 

[Davo]

0 goal in 20 then.

Can't think of anyone with a worse goalscoring record than that..

 

[Neil Thomson]

Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>0 goal in 20 then.

Can't think of anyone with a worse goalscoring record than that.. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Forlan hasn't actually started anywhere near that amount though.

 

[Murt]

Face it Davo, Heskey has no excuses for not scoring enough goals other than thew fact that hes useless. Forlan has circumstances, ie moving abroad, new league, language, climate but most of all, playing very few full games. How much has Forlan played this season, 1 start, maybe 200 minutes? Compared to Heskey's 8 or 9 starts?

 

[michael owen's mum]

Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>Face it Davo, Heskey has no excuses for not scoring enough goals other than thew fact that hes useless. Forlan has circumstances, ie moving abroad, new league, language, climate but most of all, playing very few full games. How much has Forlan played this season, 1 start, maybe 200 minutes? Compared to Heskey's 8 or 9 starts?</strong><hr></blockquote>

emile heskey has 42 goals in 130 games for liverpool, a strike rate of 1 in 3.

so anyone who criticises his goalscoring record is talking out of their arse i'm afraid. . .

 

[Davo]

I'm not claiming that Heskey had a poor run in front of goal last year...he did, there is no getting round it. However, he delivered over 20 goals in his first full season, and recovered well from his dry patch towards the end of last season.

He also currently has 3 goals ( and 4 assists) this season, despite only starting one game up front..

The point being that Heskey can score goals at this level...Forlan has yet to prove he can - and considering your rating of Heskey was always aimed at his goals record, your must surely consider Forlan to be crap, unless he can prove otherwise..

Which I'm sure you'll all think he can and will...

 

[Julian Denny]

Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Forlan hasn't actually started anywhere near that amount though.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Are you inadvertedly defending the decision to sign Forlan ? For me it remains a big mistake with insufficient research done on him and how he would fit into United's squad prior to his signing. Yes he's had many only brief appearances as sub but there have also been times when he's been on the pitch longer. Overall he's had plenty of opportunity to show what he can do. Apart from Charlton last year and the penalty he doesn't look like scoring. His basic technique is all wrong. Now I see people are saying he's really a winger or a midfielder and shouldn't be expected to score that many. Why was he then bought as a replacement for Cole ? He may be a trier and consequently popular with the OT crowd but the evidence says he's not up to scratch as a United player. Comparing his non scoring lack of achievment with that of Heskey (at times) is a pointless exercise as the latter, from United's perspective, would not be up to scratch either. Diego should be put in the reserves permanently until he can demonstrate regularly what he actually can do well. Unfortunately judging by all accounts so far his reserve appearances have not been that distinguished either. All rather sad.

 

[michael owen's mum]

interesting point that mister denny. . .was forlan signed purely because steve mclaren, whose opinion ferguson clearly values, was about to sign him for 'boro? that being enough of an endorsement, manyoo nipped in while diego was ambling round the duty free?