Has political correctness actually gone mad?

You see little girls all over the place dressed as Elsa, Rapunzel, Belle, Cinderella etc. Isnt it more racist if none of them ever dress up as Moana, Tiana or Jasmine? Wouldnt the implication there be the white princesses are more inspiring or prettier or whatever?
 
Adebesi said:
When did Halloween stop being about dressing up as something scary, like a ghost or a zombie or a killer clown?
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When so-called adults decided it would garner attention if they dressed as that well-known Halloween character 'sexy nurse'.
 
2cents said:
Seriously when is this shit gonna end?

Maybe Don't Dress Your Kid Up As Moana This Halloween?
It's on you to teach your kid not to be racially insensitive.
http://www.redbookmag.com/life/mom-kids/news/a52626/moana-halloween-costume-racist/

Maybe feck off? It's my daughter's first Halloween going out this year, we were going to have her dress as a spider or a monkey or something, but Moana sounds like a good idea about now.
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Meanwhile, Black Americans continue to be killed by police
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I'm going off topic here so please forgive me, but why don't black-on-black homocides elicit the same outrage in these people as (rare) police shootings? There are hundreds of shootings a year in most of the U.S.'s major cities and the vast majority of these are committed by black gang members. Do these black lives matter less or what is their end-game here?

By the way, I'm from the school of thought that every life matters and one life lost needlessly is one life too many. I just find it hypocritical when people cherry-pick deaths to be offended by.
 
Adebesi said:
When did Halloween stop being about dressing up as something scary, like a ghost or a zombie or a killer clown?
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Like every other holiday it's gone through multiple incarnations or phases. And it being such a old holiday, more so than most. It started off as an event to mark the end of summer (the last crops are ready around this time, i.e pumpkins hence their association with it). And as the human race became more and more food secure it became less a time of making jams and more a time of getting shitfaced and giving the kids sugary treats. And what goes better with obscene amounts of alcohol and chocolate than partial nudity?
 
Synco said:
Not disagreeing a good number of these particular issues are marginal, and that politicized narcissism plays a prominent role in much of this. But what's also true is that this whole development is - in the grand scheme of things - mostly marginal, too. The stuff you mention is mainly a matter of serious concern in social microcosmoses like certain university campuses, or in the alternative reality of twitter and sensationalist internet news. That sure doesn't mean it's irrelevant. But perspective matters, and that's what often goes missing in the excitement about things like that.

If you look at a more representative social environment, say, a public school, you are usually not dealing with kids terrorizing others over halloween costumes or micro-aggressions. Teachers will have more trouble stopping some of them from calling others a faggot, a whore, a [racist slur of choice], or bullying/beating up the outsider kid for 'looking stupid'. It's still the classic stuff that's by far the biggest threat to individual freedom from discrimination and violence. And this is true for the adult world too. Denying this simple fact, and trying to stop or dismantle vital counter-measures is, by and large, at the heart of today's anti-pc project. Everyone criticising things like the ones you mention while having more noble goals has to take that into account.

In the end, the tedious outrage rituals of anti-pc crowds work in the same way as those tedious outrage rituals they preferably attack: hyperventilation over, essentially, minor points. And I'd go as far as saying that for the majority of its proponents this is a deliberate (while not always conscious) strategy. They build up 'pc oppression' as a strawman in order to reassert the partly lost cultural and political dominance over minorities. They are also much more numerous and, as a group, dangerous than their activist counterpart.

I'm all for criticizing twitter infantilism and pomo-authoritarianism. But everyone doing so needs a clear idea how to avoid ending up in the same boat as people with Pepe avatars. And when (for example) looking at this thread, this effort is too often lacking.
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Possibly the best post in the whole thread. We'll said.
 
Buchan said:
I'm going off topic here so please forgive me, but why don't black-on-black homocides elicit the same outrage in these people as (rare) police shootings? There are hundreds of shootings a year in most of the U.S.'s major cities and the vast majority of these are committed by black gang members. Do these black lives matter less or what is their end-game here?

By the way, I'm from the school of thought that every life matters and one life lost needlessly is one life too many. I just find it hypocritical when people cherry-pick deaths to be offended by.
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No offence but that’s a pretty silly question. The police are state officials, hired to “protect and serve”. If they’re murdering people without due cause then that’s a far more concerning (and completely different) scenario than stuff like gang members shooting each other. And that’s without even getting into the logical fallacy that a person who expresses concern about one specific issue should be assumed to not care about any other.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
No offence but that’s a pretty silly question. The police are state officials, hired to “protect and serve”. If they’re murdering people without due cause then that’s a far more concerning (and completely different) scenario than stuff like gang members shooting each other. And that’s without even getting into the logical fallacy that a person who expresses concern about one specific issue should be assumed to not care about any other.
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Yes, it is a silly comparison and I should have clarified but the BLM folk have protested civilian, white-on-black homocides in the past. It's not exclusively an anti-police movement.
 
Buchan said:
I'm going off topic here so please forgive me, but why don't black-on-black homocides elicit the same outrage in these people as (rare) police shootings? There are hundreds of shootings a year in most of the U.S.'s major cities and the vast majority of these are committed by black gang members. Do these black lives matter less or what is their end-game here?
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Because blacks are killed at disproportionate rates to whites, with plenty of cases showing police to be more willing to escalate the situation if the person is black, and more willing to open fire. It causes more outrage because it shows that there's still plenty of racial profiling and institutional racism going on, even among the ones that are supposed to protect and serve.
 
Buchan said:
I'm going off topic here so please forgive me, but why don't black-on-black homocides elicit the same outrage in these people as (rare) police shootings? There are hundreds of shootings a year in most of the U.S.'s major cities and the vast majority of these are committed by black gang members. Do these black lives matter less or what is their end-game here?

By the way, I'm from the school of thought that every life matters and one life lost needlessly is one life too many. I just find it hypocritical when people cherry-pick deaths to be offended by.
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Black-on-black crime doesn't exist. It's just crime.
Also black communities literally hold hundreds of events aimed at decreasing crime, increasing employment and improving communication with police & community members, across their communities each year, they just don't grab headlines because it's not an interesting story.
 
Buchan said:
I'm going off topic here so please forgive me, but why don't black-on-black homocides elicit the same outrage in these people as (rare) police shootings? There are hundreds of shootings a year in most of the U.S.'s major cities and the vast majority of these are committed by black gang members. Do these black lives matter less or what is their end-game here?

By the way, I'm from the school of thought that every life matters and one life lost needlessly is one life too many. I just find it hypocritical when people cherry-pick deaths to be offended by.
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Buchan said:
Yes, it is a silly comparison and I should have clarified but the BLM folk have protested civilian, white-on-black homocides in the past. It's not exclusively an anti-police movement.
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It's super super complex and there is no correct side. I have heard and seen many black people who aren't too fixated on BLM for the reasons you stated. My Cousin who is Nigerian posted a heart felt facebook post after his friend was stabbed to death in London by another black boy and he went off on people banging on about BLM when the real danger black boys face in any city is by a large distance, from others who look the same.
Fast forward to 50 seconds. His point is that BLM only when killed by police



Halftrack said:
Because blacks are killed at disproportionate rates to whites, with plenty of cases showing police to be more willing to escalate the situation if the person is black, and more willing to open fire. It causes more outrage because it shows that there's still plenty of racial profiling and institutional racism going on, even among the ones that are supposed to protect and serve.
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100% true and typically let off and deemed acceptable. When Alton Sterlings killers and Philando Castiles killer and also the woman who shot and killed the guy who had his hands in the air, that convinced me that it is ok to be afraid of and also kill black men in cold blood.
 
Stacks said:
It's super super complex and there is no correct side. I have heard and seen many black people who aren't too fixated on BLM for the reasons you stated. My Cousin who is Nigerian posted a heart felt facebook post after his friend was stabbed to death in London by another black boy and he went off on people banging on about BLM when the real danger black boys face in any city is by a large distance, from others who look the same.
Fast forward to 50 seconds. His point is that BLM only when killed by police




100% true and typically let off and deemed acceptable. When Alton Sterlings killers and Philando Castiles killer and also the woman who shot and killed the guy who had his hands in the air, that convinced me that it is ok to be afraid of and also kill black men in cold blood.
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Crime happens due to proximity not race, if groups of one particular demographic live near each other of course other members of that demographic are statistically more likely to cause harm to them.
This black on black myth was peddled under the Regan or Nixon era as a way to thwart movements like the black panthers by directing the conversation away from systemic racism and abuse and on to this perceived notion that black people are more violent than others therefore it’s okay for police to disproportionately arrest them in comparison.
And of course nobody talks about the ~88% of white on white crime either because that doesn’t fit the narrative.
 
vi1lain said:
Crime happens due to proximity not race, if groups of one particular demographic live near each other of course other members of that demographic are statistically more likely to cause harm to them.
This black on black myth was peddled under the Regan or Nixon era as a way to thwart movements like the black panthers by directing the conversation away from systemic racism and abuse and on to this perceived notion that black people are more violent than others therefore it’s okay for police to disproportionately arrest them in comparison.
And of course nobody talks about the ~88% of white on white crime either because that doesn’t fit the narrative.
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as a black man myself, I will suggest you are being intellectually dishonest.
Of 249,000,000 Euro Americans, approx. 4,741.74 Euro Americans will be killed by other Euro Americans.
of 42,000,000 African Americans, 6,264 will be killed by other African Americans. so using your math, what is the likelihood of a Euro American being killed by their race, compared to ours?

My maths say that African Americans murder death kill African Americans at nearly 8 times the rate that Euro Americans do. fact is we need to sort ourselves out cos that's nearly 10 times. so to suggest that "everyone does it so its cool" is a fallacy. A Euro American is FAR less likely to be killed by another
 
Stacks said:
as a black man myself, I will suggest you are being intellectually dishonest.
Of 249,000,000 Euro Americans, approx. 4,741.74 Euro Americans will be killed by other Euro Americans.
of 42,000,000 African Americans, 6,264 will be killed by other African Americans. so using your math, what is the likelihood of a Euro American being killed by their race, compared to ours?

My maths say that African Americans murder death kill African Americans at nearly 8 times the rate that Euro Americans do. fact is we need to sort ourselves out cos that's nearly 10 times. so to suggest that "everyone does it so its cool" is a fallacy. A Euro American is FAR less likely to be killed by another
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Not really sure what you being black has to do with anything. I’m black too.
And I’m not being intellectually dishonest - black on black crime doesn’t exist, there’s no question about it. It’s just crime.
As for your numbers, you can’t quote numbers without context, those who are in poor socioeconomic conditions are far more likely to engage in crime. And America has a history of actively segregating people based purely on their race so the overwhelming majority of African Americans live in poorer communities and the opposite exists for white Americans. Plus there’s a history of over policing, a biased justice system plus lack of opportunities for black people.
It’s far more nuanced and complex than you’re trying to portray by throwing out numbers as if they can be blanketed to apply to the entire American population
 
vi1lain said:
Not really sure what you being black has to do with anything. I’m black too.
And I’m not being intellectually dishonest - black on black crime doesn’t exist, there’s no question about it. It’s just crime.
As for your numbers, you can’t quote numbers without context, those who are in poor socioeconomic conditions are far more likely to engage in crime. And America has a history of actively segregating people based purely on their race so the overwhelming majority of African Americans live in poorer communities and the opposite exists for white Americans. Plus there’s a history of over policing, a biased justice system plus lack of opportunities for black people.
It’s far more nuanced and complex than you’re trying to portray by throwing out numbers as if they can be blanketed to apply to the entire American population
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Another textbook excuse that doesn't explain it.
There are 17.3 million euro americans below poverty line, 11.1 million Hispanics and 9.2 million African Americans with 1.9 million Asian Americans. As you can see there are 2 demographics with higher numbers of people living in poverty than us, yet you don't get a place like south side Chicago, Detroit or even Cincinatti with higher rates of violence, amongst poor white, Hispanic or Asian Americans. Hispanics have their hotspots sure, but nothing like ours.

When you have a lack of opportunities then you must go out and find them or create them. Chilling in the hood won't do it. There are immigrants travelling across treacherous places from warzones, in order to find these opportunities. Chinese immigrants came over 50 years ago with barely $30 in their pockets and built businesses. these kids in the hood have £200 jordans and a smartphone. Nigerian students immigrate to the U.S. and achieve higher grades than native African Americans.
The police have never stopped anyone making money. The idea that the police prevents the community from succeeding is outdated. Overpolicing? biased justice system? It isn't the black panther days. Such a thing as black middle class does exist. in fact 22% of the African American community live in poverty, the rest don't. more and more are going to college and plenty come from nothing and make something of themselves, yet many choose not to and blame others for it.
 
Stacks said:
Another textbook excuse that doesn't explain it.
There are 17.3 million euro americans below poverty line, 11.1 million Hispanics and 9.2 million African Americans with 1.9 million Asian Americans. As you can see there are 2 demographics with higher numbers of people living in poverty than us, yet you don't get a place like south side Chicago, Detroit or even Cincinatti with higher rates of violence, amongst poor white, Hispanic or Asian Americans. Hispanics have their hotspots sure, but nothing like ours.

When you have a lack of opportunities then you must go out and find them or create them. Chilling in the hood won't do it. There are immigrants travelling across treacherous places from warzones, in order to find these opportunities. Chinese immigrants came over 50 years ago with barely $30 in their pockets and built businesses. these kids in the hood have £200 jordans and a smartphone. Nigerian students immigrate to the U.S. and achieve higher grades than native African Americans.
The police have never stopped anyone making money. The idea that the police prevents the community from succeeding is outdated. Overpolicing? biased justice system? It isn't the black panther days. Such a thing as black middle class does exist. in fact 22% of the African American community live in poverty, the rest don't. more and more are going to college and plenty come from nothing and make something of themselves, yet many choose not to and blame others for it.
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Great post, what I tend to believe but am too much of a moron to put so well.
 
Stacks said:
Another textbook excuse that doesn't explain it.
There are 17.3 million euro americans below poverty line, 11.1 million Hispanics and 9.2 million African Americans with 1.9 million Asian Americans. As you can see there are 2 demographics with higher numbers of people living in poverty than us, yet you don't get a place like south side Chicago, Detroit or even Cincinatti with higher rates of violence, amongst poor white, Hispanic or Asian Americans. Hispanics have their hotspots sure, but nothing like ours.

When you have a lack of opportunities then you must go out and find them or create them. Chilling in the hood won't do it. There are immigrants travelling across treacherous places from warzones, in order to find these opportunities. Chinese immigrants came over 50 years ago with barely $30 in their pockets and built businesses. these kids in the hood have £200 jordans and a smartphone. Nigerian students immigrate to the U.S. and achieve higher grades than native African Americans.
The police have never stopped anyone making money. The idea that the police prevents the community from succeeding is outdated. Overpolicing? biased justice system? It isn't the black panther days. Such a thing as black middle class does exist. in fact 22% of the African American community live in poverty, the rest don't. more and more are going to college and plenty come from nothing and make something of themselves, yet many choose not to and blame others for it.
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Absolutely terrible analogy. Riddled with selection bias. Why on earth would you think it fair to compare people born and reared in America with immigrants? The type of person who is willing to up sticks and migrate to a new country to create a new future for them/their family is always going to be an unusually motivated/hard-working cohort.
 
I might sue Marvel and co for making movies about Loke, Odin and Thor. That is some serious cultural appropriation.

Feckers even portrayed Valhalla and Midgaard.
 
berbatrick said:
She has been suspended by an online campaign. Sound familiar?
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Sadly yes. Idiotic online lynch mobs are a terrible development.
That said, announcing that one is going to discriminate based on gender and skin colour is very likely a stackable offence (or warrants at least a written warning). Teaching content one disagrees with usually isn't.
 
2cents said:
Seriously when is this shit gonna end?

Maybe Don't Dress Your Kid Up As Moana This Halloween?
It's on you to teach your kid not to be racially insensitive.
http://www.redbookmag.com/life/mom-kids/news/a52626/moana-halloween-costume-racist/

Maybe feck off? It's my daughter's first Halloween going out this year, we were going to have her dress as a spider or a monkey or something, but Moana sounds like a good idea about now.
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These kind of articles are always the same, it always the same arguments (or lack thereof). A kid dressing up as their favorite fictional princess does not erase, make light of or make fun of anyone's history or past plights.

What about food then? Dance? Music? Language? Literature?

If these people had their way, i'd be eating herring and potatoes and listening to black metal the rest of my days
 
berbatrick said:
She has been suspended by an online campaign. Sound familiar?
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IMO that is defo a sackable offence. Historical advantages that whites in US enjoy might insulate any accusation of reverse racism but how is saying you will give preferential treatment to african americans over other people of colors not racial discrimination? She should not be sacked for her statement but if it is actually found that she discriminates against other people of color in anyway, then she should not be allowed to teach.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Absolutely terrible analogy. Riddled with selection bias. Why on earth would you think it fair to compare people born and reared in America with immigrants? The type of person who is willing to up sticks and migrate to a new country to create a new future for them/their family is always going to be an unusually motivated/hard-working cohort.
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So the magic answer is "attitude"
 
crappycraperson said:
They want to use pregnant people instead of women.. it is stupid but meh
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This is where their hypocrisy falls down, however. According to a large, large majority of pro-choice advocators, men are entitled to have no say whatsoever on abortion because we don't have uteruses. Yet, according to the very same people, 'men' can get pregnant.

It's utter lunacy.
 
Buchan said:
According to a large, large majority of pro-choice advocators, men are entitled to have no say whatsoever on abortion because we don't have uteruses.
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It's nothing to do with men not having uteruses. It's to do with a woman having the freedom to do as she wishes with her body. Didn't they teach you that in liberal class?
 
I stood up to give a gravid human my seat on the bus recently but it turned out the human was merely corpulent.
 
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