Has political correctness actually gone mad?

adexkola said:
Well you will always have people who are stuck in their ways and opinions. I don't think they should be exiled or not spoken to.

For anyone on the fence, this exposed her ideas as ludicrous.
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I agree with you but we are naive. Just think about the lady in the video you provided, she is articulate, she is smart enough to see a very obvious double standard but she still said and probably think what she said. You don't even need to go into details with her, she doesn't use the rules that she sets, a lot of people are like that and you can't discuss with these people, it's impossible.

Edit: And you need to think about the fact that internet allowed a lot of people to have an audience that they would have never had 15 or 20 years ago, freedom of speech was a nice thing when not everyone was actually allowed an audience.
 
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Pogue Mahone said:
@adexkola

Having had my fair share of arguments online (!) I'm losing faith in the idea that anyone can be reasoned with or convinced that they need to rethink their position if you just provide the right evidence. As someone who would have similar opinions to Trevor Noah that interview comes across to me as yer wan (who I've never seen before but now quite fancy) being schooled.

The thing is, I'm willing to bet that people who are firmly entrenched on her side of the political spectrum could watch that whole interview and conclude that she won the debate (apart from that zinger about labels, anyway).

So then you're left wondering if giving people like her a platform on a national network just gets her more Facebook subscribers, more followers on Twitter and more online influence. And is that a good or bad thing?

I do agree with your general point. Dialogue is the only way to try and bridge divides. I'm just worried that people are so immersed in their own echo chambers and fixed in their opinions that they wouldn't recognise a compelling alternative viewpoint if it smacked them round the head and the more they're exposed to charismatic public figures who reinforce their preconceptions the more dogmatic they become.
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Worrying if this applies to the majority, instead of a vocal few.
 
adexkola said:
Worrying if this applies to the majority, instead of a vocal few.
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I mean, just look at this place. We're just arguing about stupid shit like whether Depay deserves more chances or not and how often do you see anyone ever say "You know what, I might be wrong about this. You've convinced me"?

Why would people be any more willing to change their opinions about stuff that actually matters?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I mean, just look at this place. We're just arguing about stupid shit like whether Depay deserves more chances or not and how often do you see anyone ever say "You know what, I might be wrong about this. You've convinced me"?

Why would people be any more willing to change their opinions about stuff that actually matters?
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:lol:

When you put it like that...
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I mean, just look at this place. We're just arguing about stupid shit like whether Depay deserves more chances or not and how often do you see anyone ever say "You know what, I might be wrong about this. You've convinced me"?

Why would people be any more willing to change their opinions about stuff that actually matters?
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You know what, I think youre right. I thought people could be reasoned with online but you have showed me that is impossible. I was wrong. Thank you for enlightening me.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I mean, just look at this place. We're just arguing about stupid shit like whether Depay deserves more chances or not and how often do you see anyone ever say "You know what, I might be wrong about this. You've convinced me"?

Why would people be any more willing to change their opinions about stuff that actually matters?
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Cognitive Dissonance Theory.
 
This is kind of nonsense thing that gets this thread in a tizz, right? The kind of story that gets angry little Englanders all frothed up at how precious the little snowflakes of the world are, yeah?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...accusations-london-muswell-hill-a7463756.html

On the face of it a ridiculous story about a huge and unwarranted overreaction?

Only when you look at it, what does it actually say? Does it say he's been the victim of intimidation? Threats of violence, censure or closure? Does it even say that he's been inundated by streams of angry, snowflake customers, apoplectic at his choice of enterprise?

No.

What it does say - all from the mouth of the owner himself - is that a handful of people have been politely critical, citing the "really low point" when a whole FOUR anecdotal (and unverifiable) customers in a Borough of close to 30,000, complained. It also cites two extremely lightweight facebook posts, as an example of being "targeted" one of which starts "..I applaud you setting up a business in Muswell Hill and employing local people.." Infamy Infamy! They've all got it in fa'me!

Somehow, this man has scandalously managed to use the national press as free advertising for his shit ailing business, and garnered the vociferous support of an army of twitchy online Littlejohns to boot, on the back of the entirely over-dramatic (and slightly dangerous) us-vs-them notion that people in Muswell Hill really give two British shits about the "Britishness" of this shop.
 
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Mockney said:
This is kind of nonsense thing that gets threads like these in a tizz, and angry little England dickheads all frothed up at how precious the little snowflakes of the world are...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...accusations-london-muswell-hill-a7463756.html

On the face of it a ridiculous story about a huge and unwarranted overreaction, right?

Only when you look at it, what does it actually say? Does it say he's been the victim of intimidation? Threats of violence, censure or closure? Does it even say that he's been inundated by streams of angry, snowflake customers, apoplectic at his choice of enterprise?

No.

What it does say - all from the mouth of the owner himself - is that few people have been a bit critical, citing the "really low point" when a whole FOUR anecdotal (and unverifiable) customers in a Borough of close to 30,000, complained. It also cites two extremely lightweight facebook posts, as an example of being "targeted" one of which starts "..I applaud you setting up a business in Muswell Hill and employing local people.." Infamy Infamy! They've all got it in famy!

Somehow this man has scandelously managed to use the national print press as free advertising for his shit ailing business, and garnered the vociferous support of an army of twitchy online Littlejohns to boot, on the back of the entirely over-dramatic notion that people really give a shit about the "Britishness" of this shop.
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What you drinking?
 
Nothing, sadly, for once. It just came up in my facebook trends and made me really angry. Then instantly made me think of this thread.

This is exactly how Nazi Germany started.
 
Mockney said:
Nothing, sadly, for once. It just came up in my facebook trends and made me really angry. Then instantly made me think of this thread.

This is exactly how Nazi Germany started.
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Nazi Germany was the result of a lack of alcohol?
 
adexkola said:
AI think this interview of Tomi Lauren by Trevor Noah was excellent. They had a dialogue where her ideas and theories were exposed for the trash they are
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Pogue Mahone said:
The thing is, I'm willing to bet that people who are firmly entrenched on her side of the political spectrum could watch that whole interview and conclude that she won the debate (apart from that zinger about labels, anyway).

So then you're left wondering if giving people like her a platform on a national network just gets her more Facebook subscribers, more followers on Twitter and more online influence. And is that a good or bad thing
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See what I mean?

There is also 24-year-old talk show host Tomi (pronounced Tommy) Lahren, who transitioned into the liberal zeitgeist this week after she appeared on The Daily Show, a popular US evening show hosted by Trevor Noah. The pair sparred with the sort of energy only two diametric enemies can summon — Lahren was subsequently profiled in a piece by The New York Times, which called her “the Right’s rising media star”.
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Mockney said:
This is kind of nonsense thing that gets this thread in a tizz, right? The kind of story that gets angry little Englanders all frothed up at how precious the little snowflakes of the world are, yeah?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...accusations-london-muswell-hill-a7463756.html

On the face of it a ridiculous story about a huge and unwarranted overreaction?

Only when you look at it, what does it actually say? Does it say he's been the victim of intimidation? Threats of violence, censure or closure? Does it even say that he's been inundated by streams of angry, snowflake customers, apoplectic at his choice of enterprise?

No.

What it does say - all from the mouth of the owner himself - is that a handful of people have been politely critical, citing the "really low point" when a whole FOUR anecdotal (and unverifiable) customers in a Borough of close to 30,000, complained. It also cites two extremely lightweight facebook posts, as an example of being "targeted" one of which starts "..I applaud you setting up a business in Muswell Hill and employing local people.." Infamy Infamy! They've all got it in fa'me!

Somehow, this man has scandalously managed to use the national press as free advertising for his shit ailing business, and garnered the vociferous support of an army of twitchy online Littlejohns to boot, on the back of the entirely over-dramatic (and slightly dangerous) us-vs-them notion that people in Muswell Hill really give two British shits about the "Britishness" of this shop.
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The twat even 'refused to reveal how he voted in the referendum'.
No wonder sales are shite. Surely these tourist tat shops only work in massive footfall areas, not bloody Muswell Hill, which isn't even on the tube.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4027276/The-Grand-Tour-slammed-guide-smuggling-migrants.html

The Grand Tour is slammed after broadcasting a 'how to guide' for smuggling migrants into Britain in an Audi TT
  • Jeremy Clarkson introduced the stunt on the Amazon Prime show this week
  • He joked he was about show 'a better way for immigrants of getting into Britain'
  • Clarkson challenged audience to find co-host Richard Hammond in an Audi TT
  • Hammond was revealed lying in the frame of the car under the back bumper
  • Charities have blasted the show for showing people how to smuggle migrants
The Grand Tour has been slammed for showing how to smuggle migrants into the the UK in a car.

Jeremy Clarkson introduced the stunt on the Amazon Prime show, which was filmed in Whitby, North Yorkshire.

He joked that he was about show 'a better way for immigrants of getting into Britain'.

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The Grand Tour has been slammed for showing how to smuggle migrants into the the UK in a car

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Jeremy Clarkson introduced the stunt on the Amazon Prime show, which was filmed in Whitby, North Yorkshire

He told the audience: 'When immigrants try to get into the country they always come in the back of a container lorry and that is the world's worst game of hide and seek.

'If you work for Border Force you open the doors and go, "well there you are".


'Surely, there must be a better way of getting into Britain. And I think I've worked it out.'

Clarkson challenged the audience to find his co-host Richard Hammond in an Audi TT.

Fellow presenter James May removed the back bumper, which revealed Hammond lying inside the frame of the car.

The trio were criticised for the stunt, with some calling it 'irresponsible'.

Barbara Drozdowicz, from the East European Resource Centre, told the Daily Star: 'We are appalled by the portrayal of migrants as an illegal cargo.'

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Clarkson challenged the audience to find his co-host Richard Hammond in an Audi TT

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Fellow presenter James May removed the back bumper, which revealed Hammond lying inside the frame of the car

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The trio were criticised for the stunt, with some calling it 'irresponsible'

Kate Gibbs from the Road Haulage Association added: 'To demonstrate what is, in effect, little more than a "how to" guide is just irresponsible.'

The Grand Tour declined to comment when approached by the newspaper.

With an astonishing £160 million budget, Jeremy Clarkson's TV comeback is among the most expensive series of all time.

But on Sunday it was revealed The Grand Tour notched up another record – as the most illegally downloaded show in history.

Official figures for the series have not been revealed by maker Amazon.

But since its launch on November 18, the first episode had been illegally downloaded 7.9 million times. Episode two has been ripped off 6.4 million times, and the figure for the third episode is 4.6 million. Viewers in Britain are the worst culprits, making up 13.7 per cent of the total.

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The Grand Tour has become the most illegally downloaded show in history

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Episode two has been ripped off 6.4 million times, and the third 4.6 million

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Viewers in Britain are the worst culprits, making up 13.7 per cent of the total

Online pirates log on to websites that have stolen the Grand Tour – for which Clarkson is paid £10 million a year to make – instead of subscribing to Amazon.

It is estimated that Amazon lost a potential £3.2 million in revenue in Britain alone on episode one. The rip-off statistics, seen exclusively by The Mail on Sunday, have been compiled by MUSO, the leading data analysts of the piracy market.

Chris Elkins, its chief commercial officer, described the findings as 'absolutely incredible'.

He added: 'It is the most illegally downloaded programme ever. It is off the scale in terms of volume.

'It has overtaken every big show, including Game Of Thrones, for the totals across different platforms.

'We monitor thousands of campaigns and this one really stands out.'

Amazon has spent millions advertising The Grand Tour after signing up Clarkson following his sacking by the BBC in a row over a fracas with a producer.

The show was a major hook to get people to sign up for its streaming service Amazon Prime, which costs £79 a year.
 
Pogue Mahone said:


Not political correctness but I guess this tweet (and replies) could fit with the whole "snowflake" generation thing. A routine search at airport security is sexual assault, apparently. What the hell?
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There's a lot of 'snowflakes' who seem to think everything they see on twitter they don't like needs sharing.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I've been searched like that multiple times.
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Doesn't make it right and contrary to what the bastions of security would have us believe doesn't make us any safer. If you must do such a search after failing a metal detector that is set to randomly pull people 10% of the time anyway then use a wand.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Everything posted on twitter is intended to be shared. That's literally the whole point of it.
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Uhuh.

Well, we could indeed share and discuss any random tweets on twitter we dislike. I doubt it would take me long to find some suggesting Robbie Williams' latest song is an acceptable form of music. But then I wouldn't think they were worthy of scrutiny.

EDIT - To be honest, I'm just ranty about this 'generation snowflake' shite. My generation gets offended at things we see as injustice. Older people get offended at us being offended. I don't find it hard to decide which is more justifiable (yes, I'm aware I'm currently getting offended at people being offended by people being offended - piss off!).
 
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Bury Red said:
Doesn't make it right and contrary to what the bastions of security would have us believe doesn't make us any safer. If you must do such a search after failing a metal detector that is set to randomly pull people 10% of the time anyway then use a wand.
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I can already see Twitter explode if they put a wand between her thighs because it's the part that bothered people.
 
Bury Red said:
Doesn't make it right and contrary to what the bastions of security would have us believe doesn't make us any safer. If you must do such a search after failing a metal detector that is set to randomly pull people 10% of the time anyway then use a wand.
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I agree the security benefits are dubious. A lot of it is about giving passengers the illusion of security. It's still a long way fecking short of sexual assault though. Crying wolf about stuff like this just demeans the experience of people who suffer actual sexual assault.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I agree the security benefits are dubious. A lot of it is about giving passengers the illusion of security. It's still a long way fecking short of sexual assault though. Crying wolf about stuff like this just demeans the experience of people who suffer actual sexual assault.
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I'd personally suggest it's worth keeping in mind that victims of prior assaults are likely to find such searches extremely difficult.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I'd personally suggest it's worth keeping in mind that victims of prior assaults are likely to find such searches extremely difficult.
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That's certainly possible. It's up to her to work through that though. Still wrong to accuse the person who is just doing their job of committing sexual assault.

Also worth keeping in mind that some people seem to think that what we see in that video would qualify as an example of the sort of "prior assault" that causes problems down the road. Which is barmy.
 
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