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Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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Safe spaces aren't literally rooms where people can be safe from physical danger. Nor are they particularly associated with black students. Safe space: "A place where anyone can relax and be fully self-expressed, without fear of being made to feel uncomfortable, unwelcome or challenged on account of biological sex, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, cultural background, age, or physical or mental ability; a place where the rules guard each person's self-respect, dignity and feelings and strongly encourage everyone to respect others".I don't get the 'safe space' thing tbh. Do black college students really feel in such mortal terror when walking around campus that they need some form of black-only common panic room
Slightly over the top but they are mainly used by young liberal students who do tend to be a bit overzealous. Essentially harmless but people sure do love to make fun of them and portray them as america's biggest threat.
Wasn't sure what this was, googled it... what in the name of the holiest of feck.I hate that shit's gotten so bad that I find myself more or less thinking "yes" when faced with the question posed by this thread. I'm in a fecking group with men's rights activists and red pillers and other scum. Personally I reckon political correctness is fine... it's essentially just common courtesy... but it had to go mad
MRAs, theredpill, and incels.
@Ubik
If you want to get a little sick every day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/
#cuckandproud or something. It's amazing that the right-wingers who deify personal responsibility aren't willing to take responsibility for their failure to attract women.
If you want to get a little sick every day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/
#cuckandproud or something. It's amazing that the right-wingers who deify personal responsibility aren't willing to take responsibility for their failure to attract women.
Sorry about that, I should have spoilered it. We usually don't free a mind once it's past a certain age.
Nah, just because some automatically group you with the most extreme on the other "side" for having different opinions, doesn't mean it's true. There are plenty of different ways to think about things than either A or B.I hate that shit's gotten so bad that I find myself more or less thinking "yes" when faced with the question posed by this thread. I'm in a fecking group with men's rights activists and red pillers and other scum. Personally I reckon political correctness is fine... it's essentially just common courtesy... but it had to go mad
Seeing people moaning about non-Japanese people making sushi being offensive cultural appropriation and finding it ridiculous doesn't mean you're a Roy Chubby Brown fan who's angry that you can't talk about going for a "chinky" or to the "Paki shop".
Of course, saying all that, for all I know you might be a big racist bastard.
Not sure I'm any the wiser tbh. It does imply other communal areas are 'unsafe' by definition though. Life was less complicated when I was at uni.
Don't take the red pill Olly!
I hate that shit's gotten so bad that I find myself more or less thinking "yes" when faced with the question posed by this thread. I'm in a fecking group with men's rights activists and red pillers and other scum. Personally I reckon political correctness is fine... it's essentially just common courtesy... but it had to go mad
Hehe. Exactly where I'm at too.
Would that turn me into that Elliot Rodgers nutter?
So you're saying Hitler and Gandhi aren't essentially the same by virtue of their vegetarianism? Interesting.
Nah. If they were vegan's on the other hand...
So you're saying Hitler and Gandhi aren't essentially the same by virtue of their vegetarianism? Interesting.
I assumed it was a Matrix thing. These new liberals are on a different wavelength to me.
Good grief. Honestly I probably should keep tabs on that, I keep getting surprised there are these people out there, I'm naive as feck.
Genuinely wondering whether I need to learn Kung-Fu.
Ah I wouldn't know about that, I've never seen The Matrix.
Heh. Very good.
The concept is indeed from the Matrix. These worthies have taken the bitter pill, snapped out of our manufactured reality, and uncovered the truth!
The truth that women are some sort of manipulative gods, feminism is a movement dedicated to denying sex to men, and that , to quote a current upvoted post, "You Owe Women You Just Met Absolutely Nothing Except a Proper fecking"
Really? Great film.
Link won't work for me, but women do have magical powers tbf.
Yeah, just all that sci-fi stuff doesn't really appeal to me.
Bah, The Matrix is bloody awesome, and I have as much interest in sci-fi as people do in my Lord Lucan thread.
We're so ironic these days that even cool things are crap.
We're so ironic these days that even cool things are crap.
You're somewhat misrepresenting redpillers though. You're taking the worst such as incel and PUA etc who technically fall under the banner of red pill and using it to define all red pillers. As far as I know a lot of red pillers are MRA's and MGTOWs. Who don't consider women to be manipulative or evil, and don't seek anything from women. MGTOW's and MRA's talk about social and structural disadvantages for men in places such as in court, especially family court and scholarships, among other things. MGTOW by definition has no interest in fecking women and doesn't believe in anyway that women owe men anything.
Yes, I think getting the right message that will appeal to people's common interest across racial/cultural lines is going to take a lot of work. And a lot of people are going to get the wrong end of the stick along the way and think it's just a means of excusing racism.
Up to now the approach to the white working class has been similar to telling a man with one leg that he should feel privileged and lucky because some people have no legs. The one legged man doesn't feel so privileged and has now tried to use his one leg to give us a kicking. Of course, he's fallen down in the process and hurt himself in the process.
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And yet...to assume a catch-all, generalised opinion on practically anything is a mistake. Much the same as this thread - on reading it, you'd think we're all under daily siege by oversensitive fools; that isn't the case at all.
No, that would be cultural appropriation. Unless you're Chinese. Or Japanese, I forget which one.
Dare I say that The Matrix actually does seem to have a fair amount of cultural appropriation in it...
you... racist!
A generalised opinion could give you a pretty accurate description of certain people/groups/events or whatever. In this case it's at least 50% + wrong. The red pill is a huge spectrum, like right or left in politics.
For the rest, it depends of what your definition of under-siege is though and what side of politics you fall on. For some, seeing an ad on TV that says "too many women die of lung cancer" with no mention of men would be considered under-siege. Especially since more men die of lung cancer. Although that's not a PC issue, that is a red pill issue.
I don't go on that sub myself; all of what I said was picked up by skimming the current upvoted threads and the sidebar ("theory") of r/theredpill
I came to know about these subs in a rather roundabout way through r/againsthatesubreddits . There are plenty of examples on most of the subs you've mentioned of pretty terrible views, so beyond a point it gets tough for me to remember the lines between these strains of misogyny.
If you're getting your information about these groups solely from reddit, there's the problem. I don't venture into reddit subs like that for obvious reasons. Like I said, it's a spectrum just like with politics. You can be on the left and not be a communist. Red pill is a catch-all term, that contains both unpleasant and delusional individuals. It also contains moderate and well-thought out opinions. As well as MGTOW people who just want to be alone.
Well my take on it, is that a lot of the things happening around at (american) universities has little to do with political correctness or politics for that matter. It's basically a bunch of middle classed kids running around and making up faux issues because they wan't to feel important. For example
1. Privilege: Not a dumb idea at it's core, but conveniently leaving socio-economic factors out of the equation on favor of identity politics is so fecking daft it boggles the mind. By their definition, Beyonce could drive around in her limo and slag off homeless white people and still be in the right
2. Cultural appropriation: Is flat out insane. Basically enjoying or emulating anything from a different culture makes you an arse. "Hey, you better not enjoy that delicious curry. The bloke who sold it to you is now crying behind he counter because you are erasing his cultural identity"
3. Safe spaces/Trigger warnings: This pisses me off, because it makes light of people with actual anxiety disorders and if hearing differentiating opinions is enough to give you a fecking panic attack, then you really need professional help. Richard Dawkins tweeted this: "A university is not a "safe space". If you need a safe space, leave, go home, hug your teddy & suck your thumb until ready for university."
As i said, most of this is contained to University campuses and is not found in mainstream politics.
1. Privilege: Not a dumb idea at it's core, but conveniently leaving socio-economic factors out of the equation on favor of identity politics is so fecking daft it boggles the mind. By their definition, Beyonce could drive around in her limo and slag off homeless white people and still be in the right
2. Cultural appropriation: Is flat out insane. Basically enjoying or emulating anything from a different culture makes you an arse. "Hey, you better not enjoy that delicious curry. The bloke who sold it to you is now crying behind he counter because you are erasing his cultural identity"
3. Safe spaces/Trigger warnings: This pisses me off, because it makes light of people with actual anxiety disorders and if hearing differentiating opinions is enough to give you a fecking panic attack, then you really need professional help. Richard Dawkins tweeted this: "A university is not a "safe space". If you need a safe space, leave, go home, hug your teddy & suck your thumb until ready for university."
As i said, most of this is contained to University campuses and is not found in mainstream politics.
Considering 2 of those definitions you used are flat out incorrect, and overly simplistic I'm not surprised you think they are 'faux issues'
I'm not American so I won't comment on the safe places.
As I said earlier in the thread, privilege isn't about money or socio-economic factors - it's focused on that because some can't disassociate privilege and wealth. So no, Beyoncé laughing at homeless white people is not the same thing.
Cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation often get confused, so again no, it's not about you enjoying your curry.
What's it about then? Race? Gender? Religion? All i'm saying is that painting in broad strokes like that AND THEN discounting available resources as unimportant is incredibly counter productive. If we use the Oxford definition of privilege: "A special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group". In today's day and age what would be the singular most important factor in gaining "right or advantage". Well money of course.
And cultural appropriation? What is it then? I'm not talking about shite like black face here, because that's simply inappropriate. People argue that reducing a culture to stereotypes is harmful and offensive, but that's not just true. Stereotypes and prejudices is just how the human mind works, that does not mean that sterotypes and prejudices are harmful or offensive by default.
If you asked me what i think about the French and i answered: "Well, they enjoy their wine, cigarettes and cheese". That's an incredibly stereotypical statement right there, but it's hardly offensive. If you dressed up in a thin mustache and a beret for Halloween, again, very stereotypical, but i doubt the french would be any offended by it
Believe me, we've had similar concerns about you millenials. I think every generation worries that the next is a bunch of entitled sissies. And it's definitely possible that the last few generations have got progressively more mollycoddled thanks to an abundance of wealth and technological progress. That's just not the right environment for anyone to grow up tough, self-sufficient and able to cope with the big wide world without freaking the feck out.
It's a miracle the baby boomers could even get out of bed in adulthood then, what with all the wussified counter culture goings on in the hippy flower power boom of the 60s and early 70s.
The idea that things like the arts or social sciences makes people weak is such a ridiculous conservative cliche. Give over. But then complaining about the "youth today" has always been a full time job, especially in an age of corrosive nostalia and anti-intellectualism.
I'd argue that the millennials who'll grow up in an age of increasingly dwindling job security and access to property, will toughen up to the demands of life just fire. Perhaps even better than the generation before them, who were gifted a genuinely easier world to navigate, and mostly just managed to feck it up.
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I agree with you about the way people from any given generation will always look down their noses at the one that follows them. That said, there's good evidence out there that recent changes in parenting styles (from laizzez faire to extremely over-protective, "helicopter parenting") has had a fairly profound impact. And personality changes that are coded before adulthood can take decades to get over.
Baby boomers have a lot to answer for but the way they tended to get on with their own life - and let kids fit in as best they can - does seem to be a good way to prepare their offspring for life away from home. The more recent trend to put kids at the centre of everything they do, with their parents spending their life at their beck and call is potentially problematic, no matter what environment they spend their life in after leaving home. In fact, the fact that the more environmental challenges they face, the more likely they will end up completely unable to cope.
And I'm saying this as someone who finds myself constantly falling into the same patterns. The wealth of information we now have about parenting makes people constantly worry about whether they're doing a good job and whether they should be doing more for their children. The funny thing is, a little bit more neglect would be in everyone's best interest. Because they're careering towards a future where mum and dad won't constantly be around to pick up the pieces.
But even this is over-worrying. Over analysing and pontificating on the potential outcomes of things that haven't yet come to pass, based on data that's still largely hypothetical? If such scientific hand wringing was around 50 years ago it may have said exactly the same things.
I can only go off examples of the millennial generation I know, which is largely confined to family friends and God-children, but even from that meagre anecdotal sample, they all seem way more prepared for life than I was. They've all traveled more, are more adventurous and eager to learn (they also drink, smoke and take less drugs than us too) so I find the ease and enthusiasm with which people like to shit on them - usually based on an unrepresentative media sample ("hey, look what's happening at these few Universities!!? Hasnt EVERYONE gone mad??!" for example) and almost always to bolster their own political prejudices (I.e. Let's take things back to when we were young, because the new young can't be trusted**) - really unpalatable.
At the very least they should be allowed to fail on their own terms. Plus summarising that what they really need is to be treated a little worse* (when the world is already economically stacked against them) seems like self justification par excellence, for whinging about them (and liberals in general) in the first place.
But if you really are worried, there are enough cnuts to go around too. There always are.
* get a haircut hippie, bring back national service, etc.
** whatever happened to "get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand"?
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Yeah, I think that's fair. Every generation has their own flaws anyway. You could argue that the flaw being discussed in this thread is caring too much about people less well off than you are. As flaws go, that's not a bad one...