Has political correctness actually gone mad?

Garethw said:
If I could have dressed up like Mr T when I was six years old I would have.
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I did the reverse. I went to my school's fancy dress day as Beckham. Wore the number 10 home kit, and my mum whited me up and cut a wig into curtains.

A white kid went as a Milk Sheikh...I only remember because the pun was funny to me as a kid. He was fully browned up, styled out and carried a bottle of Yazoo around all day. :lol:
 
Garethw said:
Is it now deemed white fishing if a black person straighteners their hair?
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But you understand the difference in context right? Or do you genuinely not know this?

It's just, a version of this point is brought up in every single racism debate and the answer is always the same.
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
I did the reverse. I went to my school's fancy dress day as Beckham. Wore the number 10 home kit, and my mum whited me up and cut a wig into curtains.

A white kid went as a Milk Sheikh...I only remember because the pun was funny to me as a kid. He was fully browned up, styled out and carried a bottle of Yazoo around all day. :lol:
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This is so wrong but funny mainly because it's just kids being kids.
You both definitely get an A for creativity. The addition of the Yazoo is genius. :lol:
 
Tarrou said:
But you understand the difference in context right? Or do you genuinely not know this?

It's just, a version of this point is brought up in every single racism debate and the answer is always the same.
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How do you ever move forward as a society, and with racial equality if one ethnic group can wear and look however they want, but the other group can't? People should be able to look how they want and wear what they want. The whole thing is bonkers.
 
Garethw said:
Is it now deemed white fishing if a black person straighteners their hair? The world has gone mad.

If I could have dressed up like Mr T when I was six years old I would have. Would that have made me a racist for wanting to be like my idol back then?
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fergies coat said:
How do you ever move forward as a society, and with racial equality if one ethnic group can wear and look however they want, but the other group can't? People should be able to look how they want and wear what they want. The whole thing is bonkers.
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Black cultural signifiers are looked down on, maligned and/or ridiculed by the wider Western culture until white people decide that actually, this is cool, at which point it becomes accepted by the wider Western culture. Often though, it only really becomes accepted if a white person does it, and black people will still be looked down on, maligned and/or ridiculed for it. That's the core of the issue.
 
fergies coat said:
How do you ever move forward as a society, and with racial equality if one ethnic group can wear and look however they want, but the other group can't? People should be able to look how they want and wear what they want. The whole thing is bonkers.
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anyone can wear and look however they want though

I can walk around with a giant cock tattoo'd on my forehead, but people are going to criticise me for it
 
Tarrou said:
anyone can wear and look however they want though

I can walk around with a giant cock tattoo'd on my forehead, but people are going to criticise me for it
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I don't know people might respect such a bold fashion choice.
 
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oneniltothearsenal said:
Some crazy shit but all predictable from the strands of people most susceptible to these types of theories. You got the crazy religious right (who don't read books and "channel" the Voice of God), the disenchanted poor/rural white males who blame everything on "antifa" and BLM (including Jan. 6), the more well-to-do white people who made money without ever having to learn how to critically think or challenge ideas that go against their belief system (the bodybuilder), and the young people who just want to be part of something a little edgy and a little out of the mainstream because it makes them feel clued in and cool (girl with NY accent).

This cross-section will take some time (decade or two) to truly wither and die out, or it could actually morph into a new alternative religion as some fear.

Oh and I love the new theories that Prince and Kobe Bryant were assassinated because they had dirt on the Clintons.
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When the feck will you truly wither and die out? Give us all some hope and tell us it's imminent.
 
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I've never understood how these situations can fit into being cancelled. The studios are private companies, if they don't want to make a certain film, isn't that just a business decision? They must've weighed the pros and cons and decided not to go ahead. Is there more to it than this?
 
maniak said:
I've never understood how these situations can fit into being cancelled. The studios are private companies, if they don't want to make a certain film, isn't that just a business decision? They must've weighed the pros and cons and decided not to go ahead. Is there more to it than this?
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There's an aging comedian selling the fantasy the he is taboo to distract from his increasingly lazy and uninspired work. If you want more than that I don't think you'll find it.
 
Peter van der Gea said:
Thing is though, she does not look black, not even vaguely black. Italian, Brazilian, Indian, Persian, mixed race, but not black. Her skin is too light and her curls too big. And actually, with skin lightening foundations, hair straightening and weaves, contouring, etc, you could say a number of black women are trying to look Italian/Brazilian/Indian/Persian. So who's appropriating who's culture?
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Do you mean indigenous Brazilians or do you think there aren’t black Brazilians?
 
DOTA said:
There's an aging comedian selling the fantasy the he is taboo to distract from his increasingly lazy and uninspired work. If you want more than that I don't think you'll find it.
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I get that's where he is coming from, I'm referring to the people on the outside, complaining about cancel culture and pointing to this. What do they want companies to do?
 
maniak said:
I've never understood how these situations can fit into being cancelled. The studios are private companies, if they don't want to make a certain film, isn't that just a business decision? They must've weighed the pros and cons and decided not to go ahead. Is there more to it than this?
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1. The Hollywood blacklist was also carried out by private studios. We generally consider that to have been pretty bad.
2. I think the main concern is that studios 'weighing pros and cons' is actually a very shallow and surface-level process. Studios (and other businesses) can and have been bullied or tricked into taking action over any nonsense that anyone can gin up, as long as it's loud enough. James Gunn was famously fired over some dumb jokes only for the studio to hire him again a year later once it was obvious nobody had ever actually cared.
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
1. The Hollywood blacklist was also carried out by private studios. We generally consider that to have been pretty bad.
2. I think the main concern is that studios 'weighing pros and cons' is actually a very shallow and surface-level process. Studios (and other businesses) can and have been bullied or tricked into taking action over any nonsense that anyone can gin up, as long as it's loud enough. James Gunn was famously fired over some dumb jokes only for the studio to hire him again a year later once it was obvious nobody had ever actually cared.
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That's the whole thing with this. These studios and companies don't give a feck about morality or ethics. Those things are for poor people. They just care about their image and the money they'd lose by said image taking a nose dive.
 
Sometimes lack of political correctness (or accuracy) doesn't seem to bother the media at all:

 
jojojo said:
Sometimes lack of political correctness (or accuracy) doesn't seem to bother the media at all:

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That used to happen a lot when I worked in a uni. Quite a few of my colleagues had PhDs, but only the men were consistently referred to as "Doctor". One of the women used to correct people all the time, and she was seen as a bit pompous.

Really, if people had automatically given her the title she'd worked so hard for, it wouldn't have been an issue.
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
1. The Hollywood blacklist was also carried out by private studios. We generally consider that to have been pretty bad.
2. I think the main concern is that studios 'weighing pros and cons' is actually a very shallow and surface-level process. Studios (and other businesses) can and have been bullied or tricked into taking action over any nonsense that anyone can gin up, as long as it's loud enough. James Gunn was famously fired over some dumb jokes only for the studio to hire him again a year later once it was obvious nobody had ever actually cared.
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1 - So how do we deal with this? Force them to produce something against their will?

2 - I'm sure many decisions are nothing more than knee jerk reactions, but as you pointed, these tend to self correct once the dust settles, unless the "canceled" person actually did something wrong.
 
DOTA said:
There's an aging comedian selling the fantasy the he is taboo to distract from his increasingly lazy and uninspired work. If you want more than that I don't think you'll find it.
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I'm a huge Chappelle fan and don't think he should be removed from Netflix for his jokes, but this is true as well. His jokes before never seemed to be politically motivated, though he did make jokes about political topics before as well. Now it just seems forced made with the purpose of not making one laugh but rather making a statement.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
I'm a huge Chappelle fan and don't think he should be removed from Netflix for his jokes, but this is true as well. His jokes before never seemed to be politically motivated, though he did make jokes about political topics before as well. Now it just seems forced made with the purpose of not making one laugh but rather making a statement.
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Nope. He was always sermonizing. Certainly over the last decade and a half or so. But through all that time he was sermonizing against the "white community." That was fine, right? Now it's against the 'trans community." Not ok, right? Hence the shrieking. Chappelle is not a laugh out loud hilarious comedian. He's amusing. But the spaces between his jokes are getting longer. In those spaces, people are thinking, yeah, maybe has never that funny. And they're right. He wasn't.
 
Needham said:
Nope. He was always sermonizing. Certainly over the last decade and a half or so. But through all that time he was sermonizing against the "white community." That was fine, right? Now it's against the 'trans community." Not ok, right? Hence the shrieking. Chappelle is not a laugh out loud hilarious comedian. He's amusing. But the spaces between his jokes are getting longer. In those spaces, people are thinking, yeah, maybe has never that funny. And they're right. He wasn't.
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That's his whole point and he's quite right about it. It's become about popularity rather than a cause. You can only be offended about something if your chosen topic is flavour of the month. Otherwise nobody cares.
 
Needham said:
Nope. He was always sermonizing. Certainly over the last decade and a half or so. But through all that time he was sermonizing against the "white community." That was fine, right? Now it's against the 'trans community." Not ok, right? Hence the shrieking. Chappelle is not a laugh out loud hilarious comedian. He's amusing. But the spaces between his jokes are getting longer. In those spaces, people are thinking, yeah, maybe has never that funny. And they're right. He wasn't.
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Going back quite a while but that special he did when he goes to the hood and there was a baby on the corner is hilarious as was the True Hollywood stories. He was definitely funny.
 
Withnail said:
Going back quite a while but that special he did when he goes to the hood and there was a baby on the corner is hilarious as was the True Hollywood stories. He was definitely funny.
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Absolutely. When he was at the top of his game he was absolutely hilarious.
 
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