I'm just not used to seeing East/West Asian designation. Middle East and Sub-Continent always seem to be very different from SE Asia and East Asia.
Didn't Turkey used to be Asia Minor?
Didn't Turkey used to be Asia Minor?
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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The Asian part of Turkey is still called Asia Minor, but the relevance of these classifications tends to fluctuate, especially as lot of them are innately tied to an antiquated world view. Way back in time, the ‟Assuwa” confederation was formed in Western Anatolia (Anatolí = East in Greek), so that portion was referred to as ‟Ἀsia”. Then the Greeks explored the broader land mass, and started calling it Asia...and Asia Minor was reserved for the Anatolian peninsula (as it was a tiny bit jutting out of mainland Asia, between the three major seas). But those geographical and cultural terms aren't always super relevant in contemporary macro discussions, a lot like pre-colonial classifications of the Near East (Osman/Ottoman) or the Far East aka Orient (which was originally used to signify anything to the East of modern Middle East, often including the subcontinent and the central/northern landmasses).
Let's be realistic here, she was talking about Chinese/Japanese. She did not mean Siberian Russians or Iranians.
Academia has been trying to move away from the Eurocentric and somewhat ambiguous “Middle East” since the 1970s, and West Asia has often been touted as an alternative. One major problem with it is it excludes most of Egypt by definition, and Egypt tends to be included with the Levant as a unit of analysis distinct from the rest of North Africa. The question of Turkish Thrace mentioned above is also an issue but less so. However I believe West Asia is used increasingly in US government and intelligence correspondence.
One just have to laugh..
I suppose Egypt is like Turkey in that respect. Both complicated in every way, even geographically.
Yeah another alternative suggestion was “Nile to Oxus” region, but it never caught on, for more reasons than the fact it seems to exclude Turkey.
Apart from the lack of viable alternatives, I think the biggest reason “Middle East” has endured is because it’s largely been adopted by the peoples of the region themselves. Which makes the valid charge of Eurocentrism ring a bit hollow.
A lot people have no idea where, or even what, the Oxus is, I'd guess.
Indeed. It was the brainchild of a genuine genius in the field of Islamic history, but completely unsuitable for regular discussion or analysis.
Since this thing is still going on, a belated reply.
Agree on that. Especially teenagers had much less opportunity to get challenged and to reflect on their views and habits. Remembering back, I certainly needed the occasional reprimand/counterreaction to understand where I was going wrong, and even as an adult I still do from time to time. As you say, for a decent person, being associated with past stuff like that will be embarassing enough. It of course matters if & what damage has been done, but usually the reaction to criticism is what should count, imo. If people then choose to be bigots, so be it.
There was also this idea that 'naive'/casual racism and homophobia aren't really that bad (not talking about you, tbc), and that's seriously misguided. Everyday discrimination isn't harmless at all in its effects, and never was, and it can't be tolerated in a civilized society. That needs to be a central part of the message, otherwise leniency is useless.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...lan-translator-for-amanda-gorman-poem-removed
Excellent work! In the utopian future there will be no translation at all!
Excellent work! In the utopian future there will be no translation at all!
This kind of thing is starting to get a bit dystopian. What happens when the right "profile" for the job simply doesn't exist? Are there many young, black, activist, female translators with Catalan as their native language? I cannot imagine the list is too long?
Absolutely. In the future, people will only need the language of love and understanding to communicate with each other. Amazing, amazing work. Hugs.
Aren't translators becoming obsolete with what's now available with apps and whatnot?
The Babel fish can't be that far off.
The Babel fish can't be that far off.
For general communication purposes, yes. Literature and specially poetry might be a bit further away considering the intricacies required to translate that.
Apu will not work at the mini market, no more
I'm sure this guy must've wasted way too much money on this battle for what would be a godawful number plate anyway with that name.
Court of Appeal reserves decision in Grabher licence plate case
https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/n...cQin-sXvYBtevLzAY0uJd0EjdtEQxuj7ThLPiYyQWrnxQ
Court of Appeal reserves decision in Grabher licence plate case
https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/n...cQin-sXvYBtevLzAY0uJd0EjdtEQxuj7ThLPiYyQWrnxQ
FFS it's literally his surname and he's had the plate for 27 years.
When I saw the picture I thought he was some edgy MAGA boomer - and even then, who gives a shit...
This is next level idpol derangement.
When I saw the picture I thought he was some edgy MAGA boomer - and even then, who gives a shit...
This is next level idpol derangement.
FFS it's literally his surname and he's had the plate for 27 years.
When I saw the picture I thought he was some edgy MAGA boomer - and even then, who gives a shit...
This is next level idpol derangement.
Welcome to Canada, where we govern ourselves based on what happens in the US.
Not sure I'd want a registration plate with my name on if it said "grab her".
But it's one word, Grabher, which is his last name. It only became an issue in 2016 after that recording of Donald Trump surfaced during the election campaign. Nobody made that argument in the preceding 20 years that he was driving around with this plate and in Canada all provincial governments have a review panel that okays personalized plates. We're literally being America junior in this. It's embarrassing.
Also this guy probably lives in rural Nova Scotia where everyone knows him.
Guess he’ll have to change his name then. They’re coming for you next David Dickinson.
I'm not even saying he shouldn't be allowed, just that I wouldn't. One read of that name and it's pretty clear what else it could say though.
He's just as orange as Trump.
I don't think it's awful but plates shouldn't be used for messages like that, unintentional or not. Unlucky dude, your surname isn't one that can be allowed on a license plate.
Exactly. Hardly a ‘right’ to be up in arms over losing. Weird hill to even stumble on, let alone die.
Are you serious? Should he also change his name, because someone might get offended and mistake it for "grab her"???
This is the definition of "Western problems", because some people have too much free time on their hands and not enough brains to not waste it in such stupidities.
Whoever complains about that needs to see a therapist.
As someone who also married to a POC, you do realise that many of us do hold certain prejudices as a result of our upbringing and environment growing up, but whether that makes you an actual racist is an interesting point of discussion.
'Marrying my black husband made me realise I was racist': Harry and Meghan's new strategist says she discovered that ‘all white people are rife with internalised racism and unconscious bias' after her own wedding
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rry-Meghans-new-strategist-says.html#comments
'Marrying my black husband made me realise I was racist': Harry and Meghan's new strategist says she discovered that ‘all white people are rife with internalised racism and unconscious bias' after her own wedding
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rry-Meghans-new-strategist-says.html#comments
I guess by definition it probably does. A lot of people seem to think of racism as being a deliberately held belief, (which is probably why it provokes such a defensive reaction) but I think the more people realise it isn’t necessarily a conscious, malicious attitude the better. You can have the best intentions in the world and still let prejudices/pre-conceptions based on race creep into your thought process.
I'm never into claims that "All white people are X, Y and Z". It's unfalsifiable. She can believe whatever she wants though. I wouldn't want to go around saying "All people of colour are X, Y and Z" either.
I dont know that I would call myself racist, but I definitely have issues with word association. Not towards black people, as Ive met very few in my life. But when it comes to Indian/Pakistani, theres a lot of stuff left over from when I grew up and the everyday bigotry towards those people was normalised. Where I grew up in the 80s everyone called the paper shops the "paki" shops. Didnt matter if it was Indian or Pakistani own, it was the "paki shop". I was young, didnt know any better. By the time I did, it was too late. The word association was stuck in my head. Its still there to this day. I dont say it, but I think it every now and again "Ill just jump into the this "paki shop". I dont think of the words as a reference to the owners, even though thats exactly what it is. I associate the words "paki shop" with "paper/corner shop". But its roots are most definitely in racism/bigotry, and part of that no matter how much I try has been burned into my brain.
The bit about not even thinking about the ramifications of getting pulled over for a traffic violation is quite jarring. I'm nervous of US cops but I don't necessarily think they are always going to brutalise me on a traffic stop.
A profession who are also cruelly denied personalised number plates.