That depends on whether they see the racism or not, no? The insidious nature of racism and bigotry is that is hides in plain sight. Remember the days of "getting a chinky"? Or "going to the paki shop"? Both examples of very common bigotry when I was a boy. No one I knew was a bigot though. It was just ingrained in our society that thats what these things were called. Obvious racism and bigotry are easy to combat, but institutional racism isnt going anywhere anytime soon. Neither are stereotypes that are reinforced in popular media. Black men are all linked in some way to gang life, gay men are all limp wristed comic relief, women only have power if they are hypersexual, dogs are fun, cats are evil, gingers have no soul, muslims are terrorists, only brown people are muslims, etc etc etc. We are bombarded with bullshit every day. The answer to this problem isnt a simple one, but getting angry at people who might just not know any better isnt going to achieve much, imo.
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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That depends on whether they see the racism or not, no? The insidious nature of racism and bigotry is that is hides in plain sight. Remember the days of "getting a chinky"? Or "going to the paki shop"? Both examples of very common bigotry when I was a boy. No one I knew was a bigot though. It was just ingrained in our society that thats what these things were called. Obvious racism and bigotry are easy to combat, but institutional racism isnt going anywhere anytime soon. Neither are stereotypes that are reinforced in popular media. Black men are all linked in some way to gang life, gay men are all limp wristed comic relief, women only have power if they are hypersexual, dogs are fun, cats are evil, gingers have no soul, muslims are terrorists, only brown people are muslims, etc etc etc. We are bombarded with bullshit every day. The answer to this problem isnt a simple one, but getting angry at people who might just not know any better isnt going to achieve much, imo.
Ordinary people don't 'access resources', they skim read the odd newspaper, watch a bit of news on the telly until they're bored, and talk to their mates. Some of us read better papers and watch more in-depth stuff I suppose, but we're not that different really.
The answer is to call out racism where it is harmful and unfair, and celebrate the good things that people of all races do.
To take the Lukaku song example. Some people (on here and elsewhere) will have gone the double down route - the "yeah, but" moment might even be a necessary part of the process, whether people post about it, while they're still thinking, or not. Some probably still didn't see a problem at the end of it. Nonetheless that song more or less vanished from Old Trafford within a matter of days, and had gone completely within a couple of matches.
So, the argument isn't wasted. It's just sometimes it works better on the bystanders than the poster who's complaining about the SJWs, and sometimes it takes time to understand what's being said, even for those willing to listen.
I've seen many variations of this on twitter today. Typically from people who, ironically, are doubling down on their own initial outraged reaction.
It takes an amazing lack of insight to crucify a bloke who reacts to hostility from dozens of strangers by being a bit prickly, indignant and not instantly showing precisely the right amount of forelock tugging abasement. Even if you have said or done something which is likely to offend a whole load of people (like say, recording a video of yourself outside a church saying "f*ck God") I don't think many of us would jump immediately to craven apology without at least trying to justify our behaviour and/or getting a little sarky when we're feeling attacked from all sides. Never mind if we get sacked from a job we love as a direct result of all the people taking offence to something which genuinely had no malice behind it.
I would say it's perfectly normal to behave like a bit of an arse, sleep on it, then try to make amends the following day. In fact a 24 turnaround is better than most of us would manage.
I think you might be showing your age a bit there if you think most people are reading newspapers and watching the TV news for their information.
By 'access resources' I really meant, they can google something if they're unaware as to why someone's taken issue with that what they've said.Other than that, I think we're mostly just talking past each other whilst making the same basic point
Just saw his responses, fair play to him and probably should have just kept quiet yesterday. Either way he shouldn't have been fired that quickly (and not at all in my view). The BBC deserve more criticism than the twitter-heads here, that lot take offence in everything. Given the speed of the sacking, I don't even think the twitter mob were the direct cause of Baker being fired anyway.
I don’t think it’s worth it for the employer.
If he stays I can imagine petitions and boycots.
If he goes all will be forgotten about.
If I made the same joke at work and reacted in the same way as him when it was pointed out as obviously racist, I'd expect to be sacked on the spot. I certainly wouldn't expect the chance to make amends an day entire later.
Really? Sacked on the spot? No verbal or written warning? No chance to explain yourself at a hearing? You should give your HR policies a read. That sounds excessive.
Out of interest, what aspect of his initial response did you think was particularly heinous?
On the whole “doubling down” thing. It’s not as though he said “So what? black people do look a little like chimps” Because that’s the only way he could have doubled down on what he’s actually being accused of. He obviously didn’t even come close to saying that. So I don’t see why he’s being accused of doubling down. All he did was get pissed off at being called a racist. Which is understandable.
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I dunno? Calling his critics vampires. Telling his boss to feck off. Bullshit claims about not knowing who actually had the baby that he was referring to. Calling the backlash preposterous. The rubbish about how he would have used the same pic for other royals despite not having done. Basically all the things that weren't "im so sorry, I fecked up".
Even he now admits that he is rightly paying the price so I don't know why people are desperate to defend him.
There’s not one thing you describe in that first paragraph that is in any way indefensible. Certainly not as an emotional response to being buried in a twitter pile-on.
He’s admitting he fecked up. And he’s doing it in the utterly craven way that the mob seems to require. Even that is evidently not enough for some. You’re right that he doesn’t try to justify his initial angry response. Which is fair enough. He probably feels a bit embarrassed by it. That’s can happen when you behave in an emotional way, then have a bit of time to calm down and reflect. Understanding this isn’t about defending him, it’s about having a functional sense of empathy.
Leicester's Hamza Choudhury fined £5,000 and ordered to attend education course by FA for offensive Twitter posts from six years ago. "When he was 15"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...hury-fined-5-000-offensive-Twitter-posts.html
at the Arsenal fans for digging it out after their loss!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...hury-fined-5-000-offensive-Twitter-posts.html
at the Arsenal fans for digging it out after their loss!Sometimes you lose your job when you feck up even if you do admit it, believe it or not.
Plus he had no right to behave in an emotional way. It was his feck up, people reacted emotionally to a racist statement which is very understandable. His only job was to apologise, anything else would make things worse and he made things worse. His fault for not protecting his own neck.
Anyway, my philosophy is don't give your boss an excuse to sack you. Maybe they already wanted to and were looking for one.
Ridiculous.Leicester's Hamza Choudhury fined £5,000 and ordered to attend education course by FA for offensive Twitter posts from six years ago. "When he was 15"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...hury-fined-5-000-offensive-Twitter-posts.html
There's a twitter meltdown about GoT, proving that feminism can rival the Gamers(TM) in their wailing about entertainment.
(Content warning: GoT spoilers. Also funny tweets)
(this was the culmination of at least a dozen tweet thread)
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'Twatwaffle'.
How dare you laugh'Twatwaffle'.
sady doyle...do better
feels good to see the classic names from the bernie/hillary era again
It was literally created by a white male and then adapted by 2 while males for TV. So it was always a story from white male perspective.
I love Danny Baker and loved his show, as a regular listener, I know he finds chimps dressed up as they used to be quite regularly very funny, nothing racist there, nothing to do with people at all, he just laughs at chimps in top hats and monocles. But he is an intelligent man and should have realised that this tweet would be seen immediately by many in a racist context, hell it's clear to anyone with half a brain that it would cause massive offence. It was stupid, thoughtless and inexcusable.
Really sad to see him go, but I don't think the BBC had any choice, as a publicly funded organisation it's held to a far higher level of scrutiny than just about any other company out there. Danny Baker fecked up big time, I'm sure he regrets it, I'm sure he wasn't thinking about race at all, but he had to go.
Not sure if this belongs here, but it is very funny, and does mention PC attitudes
Obviously a lame, inappropriate joke, but he was a child when he posted it.Leicester's Hamza Choudhury fined £5,000 and ordered to attend education course by FA for offensive Twitter posts from six years ago. "When he was 15"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...hury-fined-5-000-offensive-Twitter-posts.html
There's commotion over the new weakest link host telling one of the candidates she looks old.
I think the fact that weakest link is somehow controversial now is an apt indicator of the change in society since the turn of the century.
Fecking pansies.
I think the fact that weakest link is somehow controversial now is an apt indicator of the change in society since the turn of the century.
Fecking pansies.
It's on tv again after a ten year hiatus.
Would it be sexist of me to think that it is because it was said to a woman? If it was a man it would probably just be funny for everyone.
Most likely, the person it was said to didn't seem to care though.
I wonder how we could have a weakest link contest in the football forums?
Who would be Anne Robinson?
I’ve got her number I’ll give her a call
Politically correct witches trying to outdo each other. Don't appropriate things that aren't real!
That’s all Twitter is tbf. The “my people are more oppressed than yours” olympics.
If you all hate/dislike Twitter so much why do you still frequent it?
The same could be said of you and this thread tbh.
For what it's worth, I've never had a twitter account.
I don't hate this thread you Muppet....
Well I don't hate it. I saw that woke witch thing on twitter and it made me laugh. I liked it and thought it may raise a smile with others.
Edit: Don't know if I'm included in the 'you all' or not?
Nah you ain't, and I'm ambivalent towards Twitter but clearly a lot of its users are cretins trying to outdo eachother on either end of the scale. Don't know why you all (not you specifically) get your knickers in a twist over it....
I can't believe this is actually a thing: