Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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That's not a counter argument
Largely due to the presence of people like yourself I'd imagine. People would rather not identify as something that makes them targets of people with prejudice in place of empathy.
To be utterly clear, you disagree with feminism. Therefore you do not agree with equality. This is supported by phrases such as: "People aren't buying the claim that feminism is about equality, because their actions show the contrary.". Feminism is, and I'll say this for the last time, literally defined as equality of the sexes.
Unless, of course, what you mean is something more nuanced. You know, something like some people who describe themselves as feminists can act like bellends rather than associating an entirely uncontroversial position with the actions of very particular groups in very particular situations. It seems to me you are deliberately representing feminism at the most extreme end of the continuum which I would argue is unhelpful at best if you believe equality between the sexes is a valid goal.
sir you need to watch more youtube compilation of ben shapiro destroying feminists
It's about as effective as a counter argument as your point was as an initial argument. It also has the plus side of being funny. That was where you wanted to use the annoying laughing face emoji.
And I'll say this for the last time: I judge groups by their actions, not by their words.
I could make an egalitarian movement tomorrow, but my movement would only support the interest of certain people, and then claim that anyone who doesn't support my movement does not agree with equality.
Same concept.
It isn't the same concept. You're completely missing my point.
If you created an egalitarian movement and it actively chose to act in an un-egalitarian manner it would no longer be egalitarian and also it's existence would not change the meaning of the word egalitarian. I would not, due to the actions of Infordin's Un-Egalitarian Egalitarian Movement suddenly find myself declaring that the concept of being egalitarian was therefore something I disagreed with.
Because the right wing media which dominates radio by a huge amount, local television and the Youtube algorithm people have been consistently pushing the narrative that feminists are evil man haters for two decades.
And radio is quite effective at this. The average Americans spend about 300 hours in the car per year.
I can't go driving in Los Angeles and turn on the radio without hearing people like Rush, Hannity, Praeger, Medved, several evangelical preachers, several pairs of local hosts like John and Ken constantly make fun feminist and disparage them.
The best was when KABC (one of those allegedly "liberal media") decide to hire new hosts some unknown far-right from Breitbart and that Ben Shapiro. And KABC are advertising these purveyors of far right views as friendly mainstream hosts
Combine this with how the Koch own a huge chunk of local television and subtly influence views and there are huge chunks of the population even in blue states that are inundated day after day for hours with messages about how evil feminists are trying to destroy western culture along with those Marxists. Its just a myth that "media is liberal in America".
So of course when a BS poll is designed to confuse people not actually measure what people think.
What if the biggest egalitarian group in your country, who have political influence and power, actively chose to act in an un-egalitarian manner, would you still identify as an egalitarian? Or would you admit that the movement has been ruined?
it's true this is why I was against the abolition of slavery, the real racist are the people only thinking about one group of people
YouTube is definitely not right wing, no chance. I can't comment on local television and radio, because we probably live in different places.
yes that's why I don't understand when people call this place libcafe, would we be allowed to speak if the mods were liberal?
I would disagree with that group, not the concept of egalitarianism. So, no, to be precise I wouldn't agree that the concept of feminism is ruined by the actions of a particular political group in a particular country, because if I did I'd be saying that I believe that the concept of equality between sexes was a thing I didn't agree with and that, somehow, that particular group owned the concept.
I mean all people on the right that constantly game the Youtube algorithm so all I have to do is watch this Andrew Yang video once and I get spammed with suggestions for Ben Shapiro DESTROYING, Molyneux, SoSadd of Argon or whatever for weeks after.
Combine that with how the right wing dominates radio and local television and the most people are constantly being bombarded with people talking about awful feminists are. I mean I get bombarded with these right wing media despite living in solid blue California not seeking it but simply sampling all available radio and local TV.
So im guessing your saying that feminism has changed to being advocating for womens right for the dominance of women over men? As opposed to the dictionary definition of advocating for womens rights on the grounds of equality of the sexes. I dont really understand why you dont just write that?
This debate has reached a circular end. We both understand each other's point of view, but we just disagree.
Let's just leave it at that.
Sure, which is that you don't believe in equality of the sexes as I previously stated.
I certainly agree to disagree with you on that point.
No mate, I don't believe that. I'm pretty left of centre and watch videos of that political leaning, my kids watch the usual nursery rhyme stuff yet I constantly get recommendations for far right shite like edl and identity stuff.
I was thinking that earlier. Disproved his own claim unintentionally. Whoops.
I think the destruction of religion in the developed world totally passed me by.
You were probably too busy watching cat videos to notice.
Burger King forced to withdraw ad showing "Western man" trying to eat new Vietnamese burger with giant chopsticks.
Am I doing this right?
Am I doing this right?
This is what I don't get. Companies should have the bollocks to tell people to piss off once in a while. It's like 3 people on twitter, they shouldn't cower in the face of that when 99.9% of people could not give less of a shit if they tried.
Is it really just 3 people on twitter? You’ve got the moaning tweets, then all the retweets, then every person who reads any tweet/retweet. I’d say the numbers exposed to the moaning escalate quite quickly. And that’s before assorted clickbait news websites give the outrage even more exposure.
Plus there’s always the possibility that the company deliberately fan the flames themselves. Bad publicity is better than no publicity and all that.
Really? So what's the big deal then?
My point is that they’re not representative of the mainstream at all. It’s a very small minority being treated like they have any sort of power.
Exactly, there isn’t one.
I'm convinced companies do this on purpose, knowing a backlash/reaction will spread their campaign much further than any regular advertising would do. The chances of me knowing that BK are doing a Vietnamese burger today were minimal. Now I'm aware of it because of the reaction. It's good for them, as its harmless enough 'bad' publicity, not something that is going to lose them any customers, as people who are inclined to get offended by it probably don't eat at places like BK or McDs anyway.
Fecks this guy on about?
Watched too much Peterson and thinks 4chaners don't live in a bubble compared to the rest of us.
Speaking of chopsticks, why cant chopsticks users just admit that cutlery is a superior tool and switch over. I mean, it's a bit like a pre-wheel car manufacturer insisting on keeping the design with square blocks instead of wheels. Swing and a miss, just give up.
If you are comparing chopsticks with square wheels it sounds like you just dont know how to use chopsticks. Which is fine, just dont use them, nobody will judge you for that.
Are chopsticks cultural appropriation?
Only if you use them while wearing a sombrero.
They're a less efficient means to transport food from your plate to your mouth. Much like a square wheel being a less efficient means to move a vehicle along a road.
Sillyness aside though, you disagree that cutlery is more efficient, I'd love to hear some examples to prove me wrong. I'll even admit to it if you do
They're a less efficient means to transport food from your plate to your mouth. Much like a square wheel being a less efficient means to move a vehicle along a road.
Sillyness aside though, you disagree that cutlery is more efficient, I'd love to hear some examples to prove me wrong. I'll even admit to it if you do
A square wheel isnt just inefficient, it literally wouldnt work. Chopsticks do work.
I never said cutlery werent more efficient. I just dont think the analogy works. (But I get that it was a jokey analogy not meant to be taken too seriously.)
I dont even know where to begin with your question about examples. How am I to approach that? How do you give examples of the efficiency of a fork? I mean... chopsticks are designed to be used one handed, whereas cutlery generally requires two. But it is also possible to use just a fork in most situations, so I dont think that counts. Cutlery is more flexible, can be used with a greater number of dishes far more easily. A fork can be used as a deadly weapon, I guess a chopstick could too if it was reasonable quality, but most are cheap and would break if you tried.
I think cutlery is more efficient and more versatile. If I am the judge, I say it wins this contest.
They're a less efficient means to transport food from your plate to your mouth. Much like a square wheel being a less efficient means to move a vehicle along a road.
Sillyness aside though, you disagree that cutlery is more efficient, I'd love to hear some examples to prove me wrong. I'll even admit to it if you do
Living in China has made me come to think almost the reverse is true. Chopsticks are highly efficient for most meals and while I'm fiddling around trying to pick food up by poking a fork through it, my girlfriend can snap up anything with effortless precision in a fraction of the time. I think you have to be born into it naturally to make it worth while though.
Ah fair enough, yes, I agree with your assessment in that case
I suppose they've tailored their cuisine to chopsticks, though scooping something up with a spoon isn't exactly difficult is it? Also, eating rice with chopsticks is just silly, the way they bury their heads in to their rice bowls and haul it in like some sort of heavy duty excavator.
Yeah I agree with all of that. Spoons are the best.Ah fair enough, yes, I agree with your assessment in that case
I suppose they've tailored their cuisine to chopsticks, though scooping something up with a spoon isn't exactly difficult is it? Also, eating rice with chopsticks is just silly, the way they bury their heads in to their rice bowls and haul it in like some sort of heavy duty excavator.
Further to what I was saying above...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...s-racism/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app
“Small number” of customers complained - why give in then?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...s-racism/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app
“Small number” of customers complained - why give in then?