Has political correctness actually gone mad?

:rolleyes: A gun gesture with a hand constitutes as a death threat?

Someone should tell Lethal Bizzle.

Actually good post this is the overly PC thread.

Not saying it's a death threat, but it's definitely a form of intimidation. Hence why rappers do it, to prove they're 'ard.
 
Have all universities in britain these kinds of Isoc organisations?
Most have similar ones. We had a couple their members turn up to our philosophy society who started calling our female members whores, slags and all sorts of other names and telling them they're going to hell but we laughed them out of there and never saw them again.
 
Context being here of course is a protest. If one of BLM protestors did a gun gesture at Sanders during their now famous protest it would be treated as a death threat.

And way to remove all context and nuance from my argument in a completely unrelated thread. Great way to demonstrate you understand how communication works.
It was more of a criticism of how, to you specifically, you view things void of any context, nuance or human emotion and it can only ever be construed as x. Which is nonsense. You do it with most other arguments. You look at the end result, take away any context or human nuance / common sense and accept the worst case scenario as truth. So you're in no real position to talk about communicating / discourse etc either.

To this topic - it's still not a death threat. I'm not too sure about BLM / Sanders so I won't comment. But if anyone here was to give a speech and someone in the crowd did a hand gun gesture, I really doubt they'd take it as a legitimate death threat. Only you or an overly PC sensitive moron like the guy in the link would.
 
It was more of a criticism of how, to you specifically, you view things void of any context, nuance or human emotion and it can only ever be construed as x. Which is nonsense. You do it with most other arguments. You look at the end result, take away any context or human nuance / common sense and accept the worst case scenario as truth. So you're in no real position to talk about communicating / discourse etc either.

To this topic - it's still not a death threat. I'm not too sure about BLM / Sanders so I won't comment. But if anyone here was to give a speech and someone in the crowd did a hand gun gesture, I really doubt they'd take it as a legitimate death threat. Only you or an overly PC sensitive moron like the guy in the link would.
You can't accuse me of viewing things out of context and without nuance by removing context and nuance from what I've said in previous threads. Unless you're simple.
 
Have all universities in britain these kinds of Isoc organisations?
Always have had so long as there's enough people to join in. No different to the Christian society, the Young Conservatives etc although I have to say the Isoc when I was at Uni way back were more fun than my other two examples.

Most have similar ones. We had a couple their members turn up to our philosophy society who started calling our female members whores and telling them they're going to hell but we laughed them out of there and never saw them again.

Rather sad if they've moved on to these sort of stupid tactics though, the Isoc in Coventry was mostly just a bunch of students sharing a common background who got together every few weeks. Two of the main lights in there at the time were also on the door at the club where I DJed, which was handy as they didn't drink but they were certainly never out of order with the pissheads or the lasses in there.

That video is a disgrace though, regardless of their views academia is supposed to be a place where views can be heard and then debated and if they're not willing to shut up and hold their questions until the end then they have no right to be in there, similarly they must be allowed the chance to air their views at the end. As for the hand gesture, whilst not the scariest or most intimidating thing one can do it's a rather stupid gesture to make against a speaker who is covering topics like Charlie Hebdo and Malala Yousafzai in her lecture. I'm sure I've made a gun to the head gesture in meetings before, probably my own during a long drawn out accounts presentation and find it hilarious that the boss of my Paris office pulled a nerf gun out at a meeting I was speaking at to silence one of his cantankerous colleagues who never shuts up. It is all about context though and it's clearly wrong in the context of this lecture.
 
You have a habit of doing it. You've done it before and you're doing it now.
So, by arguing that a protest, where security had to be called, is a bad place to use aggressive body language I'm making an argument devoid of context? I can forgive you boiling an argument in a different thread to something it wasn't, but I'm not gonna let you do it here.
 
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So, by arguing that a protest, where security had to be called, is a bad place to use aggressive body language I'm making an argument devoid of context? Go feck yourself. I can forgive you boiling an argument in a different thread to something it wasn't, but I'm not gonna let you do it here.
See? Again - you aren't capable of discussing things rationally are you? You have to resort to abusing me to get your point across. It's terribly rich and ironic that you'd pass comment on proper decorum of discussion and debating when all you can do is resort to swearing and abusing the counter party. It really is pathetic and pretty darn tiring.

As always with you, this debate is done.
 
See? Again - you aren't capable of discussing things rationally are you? You have to resort to abusing me to get your point across. It's terribly rich and ironic that you'd pass comment on proper decorum of discussion and debating when all you can do is resort to swearing and abusing the counter party. It really is pathetic and pretty darn tiring.

As always with you, this debate is done.
I'm only using the same tactics you're using. If you don't like abuse then don't dish it out.
 
He's an idiot for thinking its a death threat. A fool. And he does it to gain more traction and click bait.

Regardless, it's still an intimidatory action.

I responded to a poster who denied they were being intimidating. At least one person was.
 
Rather than tackling the argument you decided to misrepresent me from a different thread and I didn't take that too kindly.
That's not abuse.

It's an observation / criticism of how you debate. I even explained it and gave you my reasons for thinking so. Like I said, that is not abuse...and it's funny because you've just displayed the exact behaviour I mentioned earlier.

Why would you take that as abuse?
 
That's not abuse.

It's an observation / criticism of how you debate. I even explained it and gave you my reasons for thinking so. Like I said, that is not abuse...and it's funny because you've just displayed the exact behaviour I mentioned earlier.

Why would you take that as abuse?
Being from a Muslim country where women, including my female relatives, are treated like dogs I have quite strong views on the subject and having my views misrepresented really pisses me off. If you honestly think you made a fair representation of what I think you need to read that thread again.
 
Being from a Muslim country where women, including my female relatives, are treated like dogs I have quite strong views on the subject and having my views misrepresented really pisses me off. If you honestly think you made a fair representation of what I think you need to read that thread again.
Ok - I don't quite understand the link between your background and the conversation we're having right now. What I said wasn't abusive, whereas being told to 'go feck yourself' obviously is abusive.

Your background might make you have an irrational dislike of the religion, but I don't see why that means it's ok for you to be abusive to me / others who have literally nothing to do with you other than both being on a Utd forum.
 
Ok - I don't quite understand the link between your background and the conversation we're having right now. What I said wasn't abusive, whereas being told to 'go feck yourself' obviously is abusive.

Your background might make you have an irrational dislike of the religion, but I don't see why that means it's ok for you to be abusive to me / others who have literally nothing to do with you other than both being on a Utd forum.
And I've had a stern telling off from above for that. Anyway, lets get off this. I'll stop calling swearing at you if you promise not to pretend you know what I think in the future.

Anyway lets get off this tangent.

And there's nothing irrational about hating a religion that's about a century and a half behind modern ideas.
 
The bit in the video starting 1:11:00 really gets my goat.
Yeah, it was clear that it being a couple of strong, intelligent women doing the talking was getting their goats up that little bit extra. They reacted in the only way they know how, by trying to bully them.
 
Goldsmiths Islamic Society has previously hosted a number of radical speakers including Moazzam Begg of Cage, the charity which described ISIS terrorist 'Jihadi John' as a 'beautiful, kind man'.

Another recent Goldsmiths speaker was Hamza Tzortzis, who says that non-Muslims 'should be killed' if they ever fight against Muslims and once proclaimed: 'We as Muslims reject the idea of freedom of speech.'

The university's student union previously ran into controversy when its diversity officer, Bahar Mustafa, banned white male students from a meeting and tweeted '#killallwhitemen'.
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Every single time ISOC gets in the news it's for a disgusting reason. I remember they suceeded in forcing segregated seating in their audience, I can't believe the university surrendered like that.
 
Every single time ISOC gets in the news it's for a disgusting reason. I remember they suceeded in forcing segregated seating in their audience, I can't believe the university surrendered like that.
What's extra messed up here as well is both the feminist society and LGBT society taking the side of them, for the sake of actual feck!
 
What's extra messed up here as well is both the feminist society and LGBT society taking the side of them, for the sake of actual feck!

I would have thought this nonsense would be restricted to satire.
 
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What's extra messed up here as well is both the feminist society and LGBT society taking the side of them, for the sake of actual feck!
Sorry to derail the thread, but have you seen the man in the high castle series. Just heard about it earlier tonight and it's directed by Ridley Scott.
 
Sorry to derail the thread, but have you seen the man in the high castle series. Just heard about it earlier tonight and it's directed by Ridley Scott.
Saw the pilot a few months back, but not got onto the full series yet (hopefully in the next couple of weeks). There's a thread in the entertainment forum on it!
 
Saw the pilot a few months back, but not got onto the full series yet (hopefully in the next couple of weeks). There's a thread in the entertainment forum on it!
Just saw that earlier. You're the go to PKD man!
 
Urgh 'Dolezal cannot find a job – she has spurned “unsavoury” offers to do reality television and porn'
Strange choice. She could have made history as part of the first all-white interracial cast.
 
To be fair it is a death threat albeit an empty one.
It's not. It really can't be a death threat. It's intimidatory, maybe, but it's a very large leap to a death threat. So many youth / teens do the hand gun gesture to intimidate. Are we going to accuse them of making death threats now? What of all the grime artists that use it? Are they all making death threats?
 
No because the context is different. The intimidation is an empty death threat.