it's not the entire university, it's student union events and it's not for you so it doesn't matter where you'd rank it
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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Avoiding things that cause irrational anxiety should not be avoided. That's not fixing the problem, that's ignoring it. It's a very common reflex in anxiety dissorder sufferers (speaking fron experience here) to avoid impulses that trigger anxiety. That's the opposite of what you should do.
People who get irrationally anxious over people clapping have a problem, they should try to fix this problem by identifying the root, not by hiding from people who clap. It sounds mean and counter intuitive and the fact some people have to overcome these problems is unfair on them, but that's the only way to fix them.
In holland we have a saying: zachte heelmeesters maken stinkende wonden. Which translates to something like the sift approach leaves festering wounds. Thats rather appropriate here.
People who get irrationally anxious over people clapping have a problem, they should try to fix this problem by identifying the root, not by hiding from people who clap. It sounds mean and counter intuitive and the fact some people have to overcome these problems is unfair on them, but that's the only way to fix them.
In holland we have a saying: zachte heelmeesters maken stinkende wonden. Which translates to something like the sift approach leaves festering wounds. Thats rather appropriate here.
usually when the usual outlets stir up these kinds of stories they differ from their usual attack in one way; they never talk about the people who asked for it and don't try to doxx them as they might people who protest some teaching on colonialism or women's rights
it's pretty obvious that it's because it's easier to raise a rainbow at "students ban clapping" than it for "named source asks for clapping to be banned because it triggers their anxiety and makes it impossible to attend large public events"
it's pretty obvious that it's because it's easier to raise a rainbow at "students ban clapping" than it for "named source asks for clapping to be banned because it triggers their anxiety and makes it impossible to attend large public events"
both are an option, we're not going to stop using condoms because there's antibiotics that get rid of chlamydia
The only way to overcome an irrational fear is by experiencing it and learning that they're not actually dangerous. It's not in the slightest the same as your condom analogy.
So a thousand people can't live normally because 1 guy has anxiety? If the ratio is even that big.
I'd suggest if you have that much anxiety by people applauding just lock yourself up at home, because loud cars, motorcycles and butterflies will probably scare you aswell.
What's next? No cheering or whistling? Singing along at a concert still ok?
Imagine being a triggered weirdo, going out to places with loads of people and demanding everyone to stop normal practices to accommodate you. Christ.
there are different types of anxiety and trauma, the things that worked for you will only work the type of anxiety or anxieties you had
this would would be 7.4 million people on the planet
it's actually closer to 1 in 5 in reality, just over a billion people
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Obviously all forms of anxiety can't be lumped together, but Cognitive behavioral therapy is a very common way of treating a multitude of anxiety disorders. This therapy consists of, among other things, invoking your irrational fears and learning to cope and deal with them in order to recognize them for what they are, harmless. This at first is extremely difficult and counter intuitive. Which is why the person suffering from anxiety is in no way qualified to decide what is and what is not good for him/her. I sympathize with someone trying to get clapping banned because it causes them anxiety, but what I'm saying is that without them knowing or intending it, it's actually detrimental for their own well being. In the end, anxiety over people clapping is irrational. Clapping is not dangerous. Therapy can help you see clapping in this correct, none dangerous light.
More over, if you ban clapping, where do you set the limit? Do we ban people talking in the park if someone says it causes them anxiety? Do we reserve empty traincars for people who are afraid to sit between people they don't know? You can't do that, because a world where we try to accomodate everyone's irrational fear is unrealizable. The world is a rational place and our societal rules are mostly based on this.
I symphatize with people suffering from anxiety, more than you might realize, but banning clapping because it makes you anxious is not PC gone mad, because it has feck all to do with it. It's detrimental to people suffering from anxiety and that's much more important.
Also, it's not remotely the same as STD's and condoms.
Good thing I pulled that number out of my arse and it's probably much less then.
If clapping scares you why not just stay away from places where there will likely be applause?
I want to see a football match where everybody just sits there in silence doing jazz hands after their team scores a last minute winner.
okay lets assume they're on another type of therapy and make the event easier for that person since we don't know either way and it would be a dickhead move to assume what their exact problem is and the exact treatments they're getting/should be getting
and we on the internet are?
if you care about clapping so much don't go to manchester student union events
I guess the point here is that they don’t want to exclude people from student union meetings.
That's just where it starts though. Next it'll be theatres and other venues.
feck yeah dude
What type of therapy would this be then? A form of therapy where you are encouraged to avoid anything that causes anxiety in order to never feel anxiety? I highly doubt any such treatment exists. Feel free to link me to such a treatment and I'll happily admit I'm wrong. Here's some links about my point, since I did not actually pull it from my arse:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...y-self-sabotage-how-running-away-can-bite-you
https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/publications/overcome-fear-anxiety
https://www.businessinsider.com/bad-habit-anxiety-2017-7?international=true&r=US&IR=T
http://www.shared-care.ca/files/Anxiety_BC_Exposure.pdf
I'll stop at four, because linkin all 150235154124 articles that scientists and doctors wrote about this seems a bit pointless.
You also didn't adress a latter part of my post. Where do you draw the line on accomodating someone's irrational fears?
Feel free to respond with some other than a rhetorical question or an antagonizing assumption. Or do respond in that way, whatever floats your boat.
i'd be interested to know if the other 150235154124 are also about fear and irrational fear based anxiety which, again, works for people people that are scared of clapping for irrational reasons as opposed to someone who becomes triggered by the sudden loud noises like someone who has anxiety from surviving a war or someone who has a form of OCD that causes anxiety from repetition
again, i get that you had anxiety and it's great that you're doing well now but your experience is yours not everyones
someone should actually legit do this
https://digitalcommons.trinity.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1006&context=psych_faculty Exposure therapy for people suffering from PTSD.
It's also in wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolonged_exposure_therapy
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/133d/8fbf0251e0da21e9abc2920c023807fb461d.pdf Exposure therapy for people suffering from OCD
There's many many more. It's not about projecting my situation on everyone else's. Exposure is really the general way to overcome these things. Perhaps in 50 years we look back and scoff at the fact that we were idiots that expose therapy was deemed helpful, but it is the current scientific consensus.
And as I keep saying, you simply can not take everyone's irrational fears into consideration in society. How is banning clapping any different form banning whispering or banning talking or banning shaking your leg as a nervous tick.
Yeah but this way it's less fun as the masses don't have to alter their behaviour for you.
i suggest you do a ctrl+f in your links on the future because those show it doesn't work for everyone with a 62% failure rate for PTSD and a 27% failure for OCD
hell yeah bro feck people with mental health problems
Banning clapping? i though it was a joke.
No dude, change the world completely and ban emotions for a few people with irrational fears.
i know this is how it starts, manchester universtity's student union will stop us from even clapping in our homes then they'll do a seance to bring Stalin back to put all the men in a gulag
I'm not saying it works for everyone. There's no foolproof cure for these things. There's still a long way to go in treating this, hence why I said in 50 years we might scoff at the notions we currently hold about it. However, avoiding the things that scare you is almost universally thought of as detrimental. And that is what you're effectively encouraging here.
"The most effective treatments for OCD are Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT) and/or medication. [1] More specifically, the most effective treatments are a type of CBT called Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP), which has the strongest evidence supporting its use in the treatment of OCD, and/or a class of medications called serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SRIs"
Also, I'll just copy paste it at this point: you simply can not take everyone's irrational fears into consideration in society. How is banning clapping any different form banning whispering or banning talking or banning shaking your leg as a nervous tick.
i'm not sure you can avoid something while being there to ask for it to change
Next on the list; no more sudden moves on the dance floors.
these are both things that are banned in loads of places for lots of reasons
not something you can control
I give up.
Well played sir.
Well played sir.
honestly i'd have given up at posting a link that disagreed with me
Oh well, guess I was closer than I thought. Ill go read some Trump tweets to overcome my sorrow.
What's your view on the quite section on trains ?
It's quiet good.
Is it 'jazz-handing snowflakes' or 'jazz-handsing'
Both sound wrong tbh. I wonder if the minute's silence, which morphed into the minute's applause will evolve into jazz hands next.
I'm sorry if living normally for you requires regular clapping, it must be a difficult existence.
The principle is reasonable adjustments, obviously banning singing along at a concert would change the experience entirely and would not be reasonable especially due to the noise that would be happening anyway. I'm not going to cry if I can clap at the end of a university lecture though and I'd be surprised if anyone actually does have that big a problem with it in reality.
I don't even think it's definitely the right answer, I just have no time for close minded dick heads who see that a minority have a problem that might be made easier by reasonable adjustments from the majority and just automatically rail against it and make fun of it instead of trying to understand if they can actually make things better for people who are struggling in life.
Good for you, man. You stand up for the little guy and I applaud that.
You would think that The Uni of Manchester would avoid this given what their Trans Officer has been alleged to get upto at their desk #jessbradley