Has political correctness actually gone mad?

Grylte said:
My original question was why some people accuse you for being a racist, when you say something negative against a religion. - And used islam as an example.
I never said anything about treating, or discriminating anyone for anything. It's just that it seems that if you say anything negative about a religion, which i as an atheist often do, all of a sudden, you're a racist.
So my point was that it's not the same.
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People hardly get shit for saying negative stuff about christianity, its celebrated on this forum even, its saying stuff about islam that riles everyone up for some reason
 
Jippy said:
It is odd what people will get genuinely angry about. Can't see an issue with it. Also can't say I know more than the first two lines of our anthem.
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Our anthem has nothing to do with our country and should really be changed. Very odd situation, although national pride is a bit of an odd concept in itself anyway so maybe we should just scrap anthems altogether. The main purpose they serve for the general public is centred around sporting events, so may be we should change it to "God save the team"
 
Bill.s.preston said:
Our anthem has nothing to do with our country and should really be changed. Very odd situation, although national pride is a bit of an odd concept in itself anyway so maybe we should just scrap anthems altogether. The main purpose they serve for the general public is centred around sporting events, so may be we should change it to "God save the team"
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Some countries do have quite rousing anthems that are actually decent pieces of music though. Having a national tune is a bit of an odd concept I guess, I've never really given it much thought tbh.
 


I'm presuming there's some kind of ancient shrew we're related to that proves this as well.
 
What makes it so ludicrous as well is the idea of Jordan Peterson resorting to fisticuffs with someone he's having an intellectual debate with. I may be wrong but he doesnt look like he would win many fights. Maybe the next person who interviews him should just knock him out, thus conclusively winning the argument.
 
Jippy said:
It is odd what people will get genuinely angry about. Can't see an issue with it. Also can't say I know more than the first two lines of our anthem.
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The third line is "God Save the Queen"
 
Ubik said:


I'm presuming there's some kind of ancient shrew we're related to that proves this as well.
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I didn't think he said an intellectual debate, but a serious talk between two men. The underlying threat of violence should be enough to stop a man from being offensive enough / crazy, but if a woman is being offensive enough / crazy it is difficult for a man to handle the situation as both parties know that violence isn't an option.

Obviously violence should be the last resort, but for example, if I go up to a random man and start seriously verbally abusing him I would be very likely to get a smack in the mouth, but if a woman were to do the same the man will be forced to concede and get away from the situation, even if it's a prolonged exchange and turns violent the onus is still on the man to get away unscathed rather than protect himself.

Clearly women are less physically threatening than men but they can be equally vicious.
 
Archie Leach said:
Can you imagine a world where men exert power over women with violence? Spooky.
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Some would say they do. That the implicit possibility of violence that exists between men also exists between men and women, even if it does look a little different.

I havent gone back and looked but I think maybe it was @vi1lain who was talking a while back about always being aware of the possibility of being physically overpowered? (Apologies if I am remembering this wrongly, either in terms of poster or the point being made). I think its perhaps a bit of an oversimplification to say the possibility of violence exists between men but is non-existent between men and women. It may be less socially acceptable because it is less evenly matched, but it still goes on - and in fact is more threatening, precisely because it is not evenly matched.
 
Ubik said:


I'm presuming there's some kind of ancient shrew we're related to that proves this as well.
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That's the great intellectual thinker of our time we're talking about there!
 
Real equality is being able to threaten to batter women without the PC brigade getting on your back.
 
Adebesi said:
Some would say they do. That the implicit possibility of violence that exists between men also exists between men and women, even if it does look a little different.

I havent gone back and looked but I think maybe it was @vi1lain who was talking a while back about always being aware of the possibility of being physically overpowered? (Apologies if I am remembering this wrongly, either in terms of poster or the point being made). I think its perhaps a bit of an oversimplification to say the possibility of violence exists between men but is non-existent between men and women. It may be less socially acceptable because it is less evenly matched, but it still goes on - and in fact is more threatening, precisely because it is not evenly matched.
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It indeed was me.
I think i'd have to be mad/drunk to consider the possibility of violently engaging a guy
 
Adebesi said:
Some would say they do. That the implicit possibility of violence that exists between men also exists between men and women, even if it does look a little different.

It may be less socially acceptable because it is less evenly matched, but it still goes on - and in fact is more threatening, precisely because it is not evenly matched.
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I'd say the majority of it is behind closed doors.

Also heard that domestic violence against men is higher than against women, but the consequences of the violence is much more severe when the woman is the victim, which is hardly surprising really. IMO the figures for both are considerably higher than reported. Although, if someone reports their partner for domestic abuse and then decides to drop the case it is up to the prosecution to decide if the matter is dropped or not, to try and ensure that the victim isn't being forced to withdraw the case, but this gets very complicated in the event that the victim does genuinely want to leave it and move on, especially if there are children involved.

I don't know if Peterson was talking about domestic or social situations, or both, in this instance.
 
Jippy said:
Humourless feminist gets in twitter spat with spoof news site.

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news...ical-feminist-who-just-blocked-me-on-twitter/
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It is not just any feminist group but a decidedly radical one which seems to be openly transphobic too -

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SteveJ 'sacked' after boring stories dismay CE General Chat readers
Manchester Gallery hangs Steve after accusations of rubbishness:

https://www.theguardian.com/feck-off-loser
 
That woman was just an out and out bigot. "Motherly love is going to save the world." What about fatherly love? As a father that was a real kick in the balls. Im glad he pulled her up on "peoplekind". Sometimes careless language hurts.
 
I know that it’s a big commitment but anyone who is interested in this whole thing will find this podcast episode a great listen. What makes it particularly worthwhile is the team behind it. This American Life is produced by NPR and as left-leaning and liberal as you’ll find. When they start to think political correctness is losing the run of itself then perhaps it really has?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I know that it’s a big commitment but anyone who is interested in this whole thing will find this podcast episode a great listen. What makes it particularly worthwhile is the team behind it. This American Life is produced by NPR and as left-leaning and liberal as you’ll find. When they start to think political correctness is losing the run of itself then perhaps it really has?
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Part one is really interesting. Part two is kind of interesting too but its about guns (and "toy" guns) so feels less relevant, certainly from a British perspective, to the question of political correctness. (Though I will concede it may look very different in the US.)

Gun control is a fascinating issue in its own right of course.
 
Adebesi said:
Part one is really interesting. Part two is kind of interesting too but its about guns (and "toy" guns) so feels less relevant, certainly from a British perspective, to the question of political correctness. (Though I will concede it may look very different in the US.)

Gun control is a fascinating issue in its own right of course.
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Yeah. Had only listened to part one when I shared. Part two is fecking bonkers though. Gun nuts are so weird.
 
Beloved Lollipop Man Leaves Job After Council Says He Can't High-Five Kids
A much-loved lollipop man has resigned from his job of 20 years after he was told to stop high-fiving children as it could be considered 'grooming'.

Bryan Broom, 77, had been seeing school kids safely across roads in Hull for two decades, but after the council warned him against greeting them with a high five, he decided it was time to hang up his hi-vis jacket.
The respected and beloved lollipop man said that he could no longer work in a world where he would constantly have to watch his 'Ps and Qs'.
After hearing about his situation, the local community gathered on Bryan's last day manning the school crossing to show their support and shower him with gifts and hugs.
Children from the school handed him leaving presents and pleaded with him not to leave.

Bryan's resignation came after complaints were made about him high-fiving youngsters as they left Kirk Ella St Andrew's Community Primary School in west Hull.
He told the Mirror: "I used to high-five the kids until I was told it could be construed as grooming - that is what the council told me.
"It's rather peculiar because two or three months ago there were pictures of the Duchess of Cambridge high-fiving at a school and I should have sent copies of those to the council.
"It makes me feel sad and I thought if this is what is happening to the world I don't want to be a part of this."

In a statement, the council said: "The council had received a number of complaints from parents about the behaviour of Mr Broom.
"These complaints were investigated but not upheld. Mr Broom is choosing to leave of his own accord and we wish him well in the future."

Bryan was dumbstruck about the complaints made, but said that he was thankful for the support that had been shown towards him over the past week and that if he saw everyone who had been kind to him in the pub all at the same time, he would buy them all a pint.

"It means so much to me," he said. "It proves that the majority of people are not into this political correctness and that they are the same as me.

"The ordinary people have come to my defence.

"This political correctness has been perpetuated by a small minority of people and in the last couple of days, the majority has proved to me that Mr and Mrs Ordinary are wonderful people and they don't want this political correctness."

Bryan was moved by how many people showed him their support on his last day on the job and said that he is now off on holiday for a week.

"It has been fantastic," Bryan said. "I expected a bit of a fuss but it's gone viral and I love it.

"I've had chocolate, gin, wine - you name it, and I've had some really nice messages from children saying 'please don't go.'
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langster said:
That has really upset me and pissed me off in equal measure. Feck. Even worse is the parents who complained will be feeling smug and pleased with themselves too. Wankers.
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Christ, I grew up about a mile from Kirk Ella (posher than Anlaby) and the grooming accusation seems a stretch. Surely if they were primary school kids, their parents would be accompanying them to school, the young ones at least.
Nice that the normal parents gave him a good send off.
 
Jippy said:
Christ, I grew up about a mile from Kirk Ella (posher than Anlaby) and the grooming accusation seems a stretch. Surely if they were primary school kids, their parents would be accompanying them to school, the young ones at least.
Nice that the normal parents gave him a good send off.
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I was thinking exactly the same thing, the kids would be accompanied most of the time. It just saddens me that someone who obviously not only loved his job but made the kids feel safe and happy too while protecting them as they crossed the road, has had to leave his job because some despicable cnut(s) thought that no way on earth could a 77 year old man enjoy being a lollipop man. Not only that he must only be doing it so he can be close to kids who he must be grooming as he's so happy in his job that he high fives them all as they walk past him. And no 77 year old man can just like children or be friendly like that so he must be planning to abuse them all.

Arghhhh. Sometimes I really don't like this world at all.
 
langster said:
I was thinking exactly the same thing, the kids would be accompanied most of the time. It just saddens me that someone who obviously not only loved his job but made the kids feel safe and happy too while protecting them as they crossed the road, has had to leave his job because some despicable cnut(s) thought that no way on earth could a 77 year old man enjoy being a lollipop man. Not only that he must only be doing it so he can be close to kids who he must be grooming as he's so happy in his job that he high fives them all as they walk past him. And no 77 year old man can just like children or be friendly like that so he must be planning to abuse them all.

Arghhhh. Sometimes I really don't like this world at all.
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Loads of grandparents and older folk, like my in-laws, love being around kids as it makes them feel young again. Fine be mindful, but it's sad if the default perception is that they're paedos.
It's also sad if now he has lost an outlet for socialising. The high fives must be such fleeting encounters, often with parent(s) there, that the grooming argument doesn't hold up.
 
Jippy said:
Loads of grandparents and older folk, like my in-laws, love being around kids as it makes them feel young again. Fine be mindful, but it's sad if the default perception is that they're paedos.
It's also sad if now he has lost an outlet for socialising. The high fives must be such fleeting encounters, often with parent(s) there, that the grooming argument doesn't hold up.
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Exactly and great points at the end. Thankfully it appears he's ok and has more in his life than just his job. He chats about going down the pub and although clearly upset, not devastated.
 
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