Has Maguire/Murtough fecked our chances up/made it harder for top 5?
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Everyone is being so dramatic.
Awwwww
I'm not sure where or why people on 12 hour shifts comes into whether Harry Maguire wants to play for West Ham or not.Woodward made a habit of overpaying players and then running their contracts down because the wages made them impossible to sell. We're still paying for it now with De Gea leaving for free when any competent club would have got a half decent fee for him, and now Maguire not wanting to take a big pay cut to play for a lower mid table team.
It annoys me when people just ignorantly put stuff like this down to greed on the part of the players, when in most cases they are just making decisions about their own future that are perfectly rational and which they have every right to make.
I'm sure if it was you in that position you wouldn't hesitate to take a massive pay cut to move from Man Utd to West Ham when it's entirely your own choice, because otherwise what about all the people on 12 hour shifts, or something.
Much as I despise the spineless and unambitious former captain, he's not the main issue.
DvB, Henderson, McT, Bailly, Williams. Could have sold all of those for money to get the midfielder and CB in.
Then Maguire would have finally played his best position as starting CB for the U21s
DvB, Henderson, McT, Bailly, Williams. Could have sold all of those for money to get the midfielder and CB in.
Then Maguire would have finally played his best position as starting CB for the U21s
Ha! Yeah. He works in the football industry not the 12 hour shift industry. He wants a salary commensurate with his financial goals and needs that are appropriate for footballers, not shift workers.
Woodward made a habit of overpaying players and then running their contracts down because the wages made them impossible to sell. We're still paying for it now with De Gea leaving for free when any competent club would have got a half decent fee for him, and now Maguire not wanting to take a big pay cut to play for a lower mid table team.
It annoys me when people just ignorantly put stuff like this down to greed on the part of the players, when in most cases they are just making decisions about their own future that are perfectly rational and which they have every right to make.
I'm sure if it was you in that position you wouldn't hesitate to take a massive pay cut to move from Man Utd to West Ham when it's entirely your own choice, because otherwise what about all the people on 12 hour shifts, or something.
It's Murtough Madness again this summer, still can't believe he's in a job at United.
That's not what being greedy means.
Murtough signs 3 players in 1 month and now it’s all gone to shit because he can’t forcefully remove Maguire from the club.
This place things the world’s gone to shit because they can’t sign a shiny new toy. fecking never change CAF. Those 3 signings weren’t good enough! We want MORE & if they’re not good enough in their first game we want EVEN MORE!!
This place things the world’s gone to shit because they can’t sign a shiny new toy. fecking never change CAF. Those 3 signings weren’t good enough! We want MORE & if they’re not good enough in their first game we want EVEN MORE!!
I stubbed my toe earlier. Maybe that was Maguire’s fault too?
Our lack of selling when we need to sell will hurt us in general. This team needed to be rebuilt when ETH came in and so far they've done a solid job at that (please put down your pitchforks). Getting rid of Maguire and McT would benefit us greatly though. Getting a young CB in like Todibo would be great when you keep Varane's age in mind and the Onana (Everton midfielder) rumors had me pretty excited, once again a young player with a profile that would suit our needs. I don't think missing out on these deals both in- and outgoing will cost us top 4-5 this year, but it sure is frustrating when Liverpool revamp their entire midfield in 1 summer and Chelsea completely overhauls their entire team in 1 year. Both aiming at building for the future as well. I miss the days when we always had a young successor at the ready, but nowadays we rarely do.
Of course, he has. He is damaging the club and our chance of success by refusing to leave even though he isn't wanted, and in the process not letting ETH bring in the players he wants.
If we're struggling to finish in the Champions League places this season, it will be due to other failings in the squad. The lack of goals in the team and the general state of the midfield are far more concerning to me than if Maguire does or doesn't stick around, although I would definitely prefer him gone.
Maguire started 8 league games for us last season and it might be fewer than that this season. If that's the case Maguire's involvement shouldn't really make a material difference if the rest of the team is functioning as it should.
Maguire started 8 league games for us last season and it might be fewer than that this season. If that's the case Maguire's involvement shouldn't really make a material difference if the rest of the team is functioning as it should.
Glazers and Woodward fecked us.
Pretty sure we'd all be pretty happy earning millions for playing football.
But we need the money from the sale of Maguire to buy a midfielder. So it will be due to him.
Yeah the trouble was Erik never saw getting a partner/backup for Casemiro as essential. Mount was always a high priority and IF there was something left afterwards then go for Amrabat.
Totally nailed it with second paragraph
And tbf despite everyone going crazy about Chelsea I still look at their forwards and can't see how they score enough goals to do anything this season. Not now we know the extent of Nkunku's injury.
I don't think that's true. The money generated from the Maguire sale likely would've gone on one of Pavard or Todibo. It's the lack of movement on the likes of Henderson and McTominay that's impeding our ability to sign a midfielder.
Failure to sell McTominay & Donny has impeded our ability to sign another midfielder
Yes, methinks we won’t let Maguire go without getting in a 3rd/4th CB candidate, it will cost what we get for him or there abouts.
Todibo makes sense as Varane can mentor,on the other hand maybe Erik is prepared to wait for more options next summer
Jonah.
mistake not to pay him off when we were offered £30m. That’s a £20m profit unless I’m missing something?
mistake not to pay him off when we were offered £30m. That’s a £20m profit unless I’m missing something?
Around 270 million people played football last year world wide, only 557 of them are apparently good enough to play in the PL, that's something like 0.002% - I've I was in that % of capability of any profession I'd want to earn a lot!
Absolutely. We are still going to play tons of games and the likes of Varane and Casemiro are not capable of playing two games a week for prolonged periods of times and if our backups include the likes of Maguire or McTominay we are in trouble and it's not like out first team is playing well either and that's even more worrying.
Like if we could bring in Amrabat, Pavard and another forward our depth looks a lot better than what it does now but it's not likely to happen now.
Like if we could bring in Amrabat, Pavard and another forward our depth looks a lot better than what it does now but it's not likely to happen now.
Just thinking if it were someone else like Martial doing the same thing, would the forum be so magnanimous in defending him with the same reasons?
Of course, Mag is fully entitled to his contract and is technically doing nothing wrong.
Can’t help but think that some who are defending Maguire will be a lot nastier towards other players if a similar situation plays out
Yeah needs us to find compromise for Maguire (unlikely) sell McTominay (slim possibility) and get taker for Martial (no chance) to make all those happen
Maguire is comfortably our most hated player on here.
I'd 'defend' any other player doing the same because it's exactly I would do.
The fact that we can't now afford a back up midfielder or defender is the effect of years of mismanagement of the club. It has been coming. Boiling our chances of success down to a player 'refusing to leave' for £30m this summer is ridiculous.
If things go horribly wrong it'll be on ETH and no one else really. Unless people think it was the club not ETH who chose to spend the resources on Mount and Hojlund.
You make out like Maguire and McTominay can't play football.
Both International players who have had several brilliant games for us.
Not guaranteed that Pavard and Amrabat step in and perform brilliantly.
Well no one mentioned greed, just that we spend 80m on a player, who has performed like a 15m player who still cash in enormuosly without being even close to do his part of the contract and perform to a decent standard.
I'm pretty sure that there isn't a footballer's contract out there that specifies that they must perform to a "decent" standard criteria that is set by a fan's perception
I think you need to go back and read.
This is nonsense, players have a right to their contracts if they're fulfilling the terms of their contracts. The nationality/race or whatever you're edging towards doesn't come into it. Martial shouldn't have to take a pay cut if he doesn't want to either.
You can realistically blame a lot of people.
The Glazers, Woodward and Ole for buying terribly, Murtough for make strange decisions on sales, Maguire for scuppering the West Ham move.
Personally Maguire is pretty low on the list.
The Glazers, Woodward and Ole for buying terribly, Murtough for make strange decisions on sales, Maguire for scuppering the West Ham move.
Personally Maguire is pretty low on the list.
Playing Devils advocate; if anyone in here was playing for City/Liverpool/Arsenal even at the level Maguire is, would you leave for a lesser named club and forfeit your salary for a lower one, without a good payoff? We dont really know the ins and outs of why he didnt leave for West Ham, but if it was over money you really cant blame him. Hes coming to the end of his career and will want to earn as much as he can.
Personally from a Utd fan perspective obviously I want him gone asap. I wouldnt be surprised jf he isnt one of the leakers. He always has a lot to say around international breaks.
Personally from a Utd fan perspective obviously I want him gone asap. I wouldnt be surprised jf he isnt one of the leakers. He always has a lot to say around international breaks.
He can't have it both ways. He stayed for the money so can't now complain about playing time. If he wanted playing time he should've gone.
Well he can have it both ways because if Varane is injured he will be playing for Man Utd, and he has said he wants to earn his place back, not that he thinks he is entitled to play.
Also, his choices were stay at United or move to West Ham + massive pay cut. There's some very deliberate ignorance in pretending not wanting to move from Man Utd to West Ham is a purely financial decision. The pay cut part is just a big kick in the teeth to go with it, and I think most rational footballers (or people in general) would be turning that down without too much of a thought. It would only make any sense if HE was the one who decided he wanted the move in the first place.
People are trying to project the club's poor transfer and contract management under Woodward onto Maguire. The reality is the mistake was made years ago, and if it wasn't a mistake that Woodward made probably 10x over with other players/signings, it wouldn't actually be causing a problem, because we'd have already recouped or not spent much needed transfer/wage bill funds with Pogba, De Gea, Sancho, Ronaldo, etc.
For a club that is servicing debt and has a limited transfer pot, we have wasted an extraordinary amount of money on overpaying for players and paying them too much to be able to sell them. Our management of that aspect of the club under Woodward makes most government departments look financially efficient by comparison.