Has Maguire/Murtough fecked our chances up/made it harder for top 5?

wolvored

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Looking back to last week when we were moving on Maguire and Pavard and especially Amrabat were coming in, to now where its looking bleak. Maguires greediness and Murtough not pushing him and McTom for £60 mill to West Ham, could have seen us swapping those two with much better players.
After the Wanderers game and the way they just ran through the centre midfield, shows we need reinforcements in that area badly.
If we play like we did last week we will lose more than we win. Do you see any light at the end of the tunnel? Will Mainoo and Gore have to step up, with no real proof they can, apart from a couple of pre season games?
 
We finished 3rd last season and have spent another £150m on the squad. The 3 teams behind us haven't spent as much.

If we fail to finish top 4, it wouldn't be because of the lack of spending.
 
No, years of terrible decision making that means we don't have an acceptable squad after spending hundreds of millions makes it hard.

Swapping a back up centre back for another one is neither he nor there in the grand scheme of things.
 
Skills said:
We finished 3rd last season and have spent another £150m on the squad. The 3 teams behind us haven't spent as much.

If we fail to finish top 4, it wouldn't be because of the lack of spending.
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This is an important point - we can't just cry every time we don't sign a player. Chelsea have gone a bit mental with spending but otherwise we're up there (as usual) and it's on us to improve.
 
Well the reports are that further midfield sales are required before a new midfielder can be brought in. Any money from Maguire's sale would be needed to get a replacement for him and I doubt a back up CB would make the difference.

But this has to be a joke thread, right?
 
I guess it's fair to say if Maguire didn't refuse to go and we signed Pavard people would be a lot less critical of Murtough.
 
Blaming this on Maguire is idiotic. Maguire is doing what is best for him and his family by holding his employer to their contract obligations. Rightfully so. If the manager does not want him, it's up to him to convince Murtough to sell at a loss by paying Maguire what he would have made if he stays. That will come out of any amount we would get for him from the buying club. Not ideal, but it solves the immediate problem. Also, last I checked, the players that started the match on Monday would have started regardless of whether Amrabat or Pavard were in the squad. Hojlund is injured so nothing could have been done about him starting except maybe bringing him in sooner and, he could have still been injured training with United.
 
Skills said:
We finished 3rd last season and have spent another £150m on the squad. The 3 teams behind us haven't spent as much.

If we fail to finish top 4, it wouldn't be because of the lack of spending.
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This very much this comfortable top 4 along with good football is bare Minimum we should expect this season .
 
I know scapegoat get thrown around liberally here but Maguire really became the on pitch avatar (through no particular fault of his own except being mediocre and aloof) of all frustrations with management and the Glazers. A statue to their failure : An overpaid disappointment, only fit for a conservative approach to football and brought in under the crypto-reactionary branding of Brexit FC, allegedly deluded about his status and happy to collect paychecks without any ambition.

He's my (anti-)captain.
 
If we feck up getting into the top 4 this season then that'll be down to ETH and Arnold/Glazers for not bringing in the right players. Not because Slabhead decides he wants to sit on the bench and collect an inflated paycheck.
 
@wolvored you are on one here. We finished 3rd last season and Maguire wasn't even a first XI player anymore, and since then we've added a striker, a goalkeeper and a midfielder. If anything having Maguire as a backup CB improves our chances.
 
Skills said:
We finished 3rd last season and have spent another £150m on the squad. The 3 teams behind us haven't spent as much.

If we fail to finish top 4, it wouldn't be because of the lack of spending.
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Tbh we’ve spent a third of our budget on a player who doesn’t even seem to fit the team. We as usual spend badly.
 
Devil_forever said:
Tbh we’ve spent a third of our budget on a player who doesn’t even seem to fit the team. We as usual spend badly.
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What’s with the quick judgements? It’s one game into a new system and style of playing.
When did we become so flippant with making these grand statements stupidly early into a season?
 
Murtough and Ten Hag, more towards Murtough because he made the same mistakes under Solskjaer.

Nothing to do with Maguire really.
 
Dion said:
We agreed to pay Maguire what we did, there's nothing greedy about a man wanting his contract honoured.
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Depends if he wants to play for his country and be remembered for somethign other than a failure and greedy.
 
I’d blame Woodward for allowing these ridiculous contracts in the first place and the Glazers for not coughing up the money to pay him off.
 
wolvored said:
Looking back to last week when we were moving on Maguire and Pavard and especially Amrabat were coming in, to now where its looking bleak. Maguires greediness and Murtough not pushing him and McTom for £60 mill to West Ham, could have seen us swapping those two with much better players.
After the Wanderers game and the way they just ran through the centre midfield, shows we need reinforcements in that area badly.
If we play like we did last week we will lose more than we win. Do you see any light at the end of the tunnel? Will Mainoo and Gore have to step up, with no real proof they can, apart from a couple of pre season games?
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Swapping 4th choice center backs shouldn't make or break a season

The Amrabat one might still happen the window has 2 weeks we have players to sell, this some kneejerk shit in a week of kneejerk shit
 
after what we've spent I don't think we can blame the fourth/fifth choice CB
 
Gordon Godot said:
Depends if he wants to play for his country and be remembered for somethign other than a failure and greedy.
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I wonder if you would feel the same being in his position and earning the amount of money he gets....
 
Even if we were willing to pay up his contract and he still decided to stay put, I don't think switching Maguire for Pavard would dramatically change how our season goes.
 
Skills said:
We finished 3rd last season and have spent another £150m on the squad. The 3 teams behind us haven't spent as much.

If we fail to finish top 4, it wouldn't be because of the lack of spending.
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I agree but also it seemed like we were planning to sell Maguire (put a lot effort in this), hoping we can use the money for other transfers. So in that light we might be 30m short to buy a Casemiro backup. Which makes Mount transfer look worse. And our transfer window poor.
 
wolvored said:
Looking back to last week when we were moving on Maguire and Pavard and especially Amrabat were coming in, to now where its looking bleak. Maguires greediness and Murtough not pushing him and McTom for £60 mill to West Ham, could have seen us swapping those two with much better players.
After the Wanderers game and the way they just ran through the centre midfield, shows we need reinforcements in that area badly.
If we play like we did last week we will lose more than we win. Do you see any light at the end of the tunnel? Will Mainoo and Gore have to step up, with no real proof they can, apart from a couple of pre season games?
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He can't directly affect our chances if he doesn't play.

I think after the signings we have made, people were happy going into the season considering we were reported to have £100 million to spend.

It's only now due to reports of us wanting another defender that people aren't happy. Hindsight is amazing.
 
I think the end is nigh. Might as well pack up shop, liquidate the club assets and dissolve the company. Winning against Wolves is the worst thing to ever happen to this club.
 
wolvored said:
Looking back to last week when we were moving on Maguire and Pavard and especially Amrabat were coming in, to now where its looking bleak. Maguires greediness and Murtough not pushing him and McTom for £60 mill to West Ham, could have seen us swapping those two with much better players.
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Not sure how guilty Murtough is of these charges.

He cannot push Maguire out no matter what he tries. Pressing McTominay out only decreases his valuation.

I'm not particularly enthused about Murtough but one cannot shift deadwood to fund new purchases by chance. It takes advantages and Maguire and McTominay do not present any.
 
Maguire sale has nothing to do with signing Mount and Hojlund for almost 150m
 
Funny to see Inter are now chasing Pavard and the price looks very much as though it is going to end up being north of 40M plus add ons and yet we have people thinking selling Maguire would have been enough for us to get him.

It is very much business as usual here, we blame Murtough and Arnold and then we blame the Manager but we are all being suckered and not blaming the people who are actually responsible. The Glazers won't spend any more money unless it is raised through player sales, it is fairly obvious that we have concluded that what we would clear from our potential outgoings isn't going to cover the cost of a new CB and so keeping Harry is making the best of a bad situation. If we can generate a little more revenue to add to what we have brought in already we might have the cash to bring in Amrabat but don't hold your breath. The greedy scum that have been choking the life out of this club for 18 years are to blame and they are never more delighted than when the fans blame others for their appaling ownership.
 
Him and the Glazers. As the reports had correctly mentioned early on, we had about £100m to spend and that's what we've done once you take into account what we've recouped in sales. We can't buy anyone else unless a few more are sold and with Maguire refusing to go, and other sales not coming off, we're left with half a window at best (probably less, since I'm sure we would have at least tried for Kane if we had the money).
 
Skills said:
We finished 3rd last season and have spent another £150m on the squad. The 3 teams behind us haven't spent as much.
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That's ignoring Chelsea though. If they don't at least make the top four this season after the money they've spent, it'll be one of the biggest failures in the history of football.
 
A: No.

Trying to sell Harry - and the whole cohort of others who are effectively redundant - is just a visible, attention-grabbing, symptom of systemic failures that have infected us for a very long time: multiple short-term, wildly differing, generally terrible, managerial appointments; a complete absence of a coherent, long-term playing and investment strategy; and corporate governance failures on reward and retention, are the main factors, all of them driven by the dereliction of the Glazer model.

To turn a phrase, building back better, is now 5 yr strategy. We've taken some smallish steps to enhance the squad (a DDG replacement was overdue, Rasmus is a bit of a gamble in a difficult CF market, Mount is decent as a squad player) and if we can somehow add a DM - I think we will btw - then we'll compete strongly for top 5. Sure, City and Arsenal are well ahead but there's not much us and all of Newcastle, Liverpool (dodgy defence) and Chelsea (lightweight upfront?).
 
Tbf we have sold a fair few players (Elanga, Fred, Telles, Kovar, Iqbal, Savage, Laird, Bishop) and let some more off our wage bill (De Gea, Jones, Tuanzebe), and yet our net spend is around €150m for this summer so far. Even if some more sales are to be expected (Bailly at least), that’s a big outlay. If we sell more players (McTominay, Maguire, Martial?), it will only cover the expenses of a palyer in at a similar price, and the options there are limited.
 
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