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I don't think Felliani was a flop for the club. Anytime he was played he gave his all and came up with many important goals for the club. Goals against arsenal, young boys, Everton in the fa Cup semis. We had such a dire midfield setup that we had to play to his strengths and the involved hoof ball. We bought him for 30m and knew what type of player he was before buying him and he lived up to that when he was at United. Might not be the mould of a typical United player but he done what was asked of him each time he went on the pitch.
Has shown nothing of his mythical ball playing.
Probably hence us looking to recruit maguire!
If he was bought for 5m and as a backup player then maybe he wouldn't have been a flop. However we paid some serious money for him back then and he was expected to be a first teamer something he wasn't.
Considering Moyes who knew the player tried to play him as a defensive midfielder, where he’s awful rather than an advanced midfielder shows we had no idea of how to use him, or no idea of what he was actually good at.
Yes he tried hard, but of course he was a flop.
I don't think we are bringing maguire in because of lindelof.
No he wasn't. He wasn't good enough- but there is a huge gap between a failure and a huge success. We have had many flops at this club, but Fellaini was a hard-working player who did an ok job - nothing more, nothing less. You can argue that we shouldn't have signed him, but for the job he was bought to do, he did ok.
Just maybe we should let Ole bring in the players he wants so he can have a fair crack of the whip. If Ole feels Maguire is the man to improve the back line then so be it. The fact he is English is why some like to underrate and run him down.
Well that is kind of the problem isn't it. If we leave it - Leicester get to keep their player, we get to keep our Money - but we wont have the central defender we want. So there is only one loser if we don't pay the extra £10 million - and that is us. Unless we have a equally good defender lined up, and I guess we haven't.
He was brought to be a first teamer not to become the guy you put in the 89 minute as a panic move
No he didn’t “give his all” every time he played.
He put in some of the most lazy and inept performances of any player I have ever seen during his time at the club.
He was absolutely awful and a poster boy for our decline.
One can hope though.
Woodward, the media and some supporters will have a hard time accepting that Maguire will ultimately cost more than De Ligt.
Irritating parallels will be drawn. Much like we had with Kagawa and Hazard.
I feel sorry for Maguire. He'd have to have a big head on his shoulders...
Irritating parallels will be drawn. Much like we had with Kagawa and Hazard.
I feel sorry for Maguire. He'd have to have a big head on his shoulders...
Yes he is good on the ball but what about other aspects of defending? He would certainly improve us but for potentially 75-80m?
This needs to stop now. Nobody has any issues with him being English
That's more to do with the ineptitude of the manager than the player himself. When he was used correctly by lvg and mourinho he had his best seasons for united.
He was not the right player for United but he showed more fight than any of the rest of the primma Donna's in the team. The players who downed tools when things got difficult and cried to their agents for a transfer or bigger contracts. Fellaini played in any position asked of him and came up with important goals and contributions when it mattered. His 2 prominent seasons with the most appearances coincided with united winning trophies. Not saying he was solely responsible for this but he certainly didn't impede it.
So McGuire is not better than Lindelof? Why does McGuire need a partner who can pass the ball if he's supposed to be the ball player?
Everyone should be a certain standard of footballer to play for United, Smalling isn’t. Maguire and Linderof certainly are
I never said that, Maguire and Lindelof can play together. Having 2 centerbacks that are comfortable and composed on the ball would be better than just 1. Both are better than Smalling.
How are you still spelling his name wrong 73 thousand posts into this thread?
Not just Maguire, but English, British and Irish players are ofter underated, alot of posters would prefer someone they haven't really seen before from a different league because generally they have only seen YouTube clips, stats and video games, it happens all the time. It's probably also why the focus is so much on pace because in FIFA and FM speed is a key factor. In FIFA or FM if you play a high line you get done with balls over the top or through ball all the time if you have slow centre backs, that's just in the game mechanics. In reality these kind of goals aren't scored that often until a game has been stretched because defender's aren't stagnant sprites and are able to read and react to things around them.
Not saying it is in every case, some may have a better knowledge of whichever ever league or player, but from some posts it's quite obvious they haven't seen a player before.
I don't believe that I have a bias against anyone but in recent history English, British and Irish players are more overrated than underrated because they haven't actually been good, with the exception being Sterling who happened to be underrated for a reason that can't really be explained.
Woodward, the media and some supporters will have a hard time accepting that Maguire will ultimately cost more than De Ligt.
Irritating parallels will be drawn. Much like we had with Kagawa and Hazard.
I feel sorry for Maguire. He'd have to have a big head on his shoulders...
I see what you did there. Haha.
I think youngsters in youth teams and players that just break into the squad/team are often vastly overrated as everyone is looking for the next big thing.
I think my point is that regardless of nationality, the players that people haven't seen alot of are instantly better player's then players they are familiar with. Technical and physical skills are given a higher importance than mentally and experienced because they are easier to see and quantify.
Teams need 11 players who can pass the ball now, to cope with the opposition press. Even goalies should be able to pass. Do you recall goals scored against United last year when De Gea failed to cleanly deliver the ball within his own half. The United receiver was dispossessed & a goal scored. Happened at least twice.
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Problem is if you generate money through sales the selling club of the player you want to buy then know how much money you have. Buy first and then do a fire sale to recoup as much as poss afterwards
But your point specifically mentioned naationalities, you didn't talk about PL players but English, British and Irish. If anything players from other leagues are routinely underrated with most leagues being deemed as beneaf premier league standard, it's done in every single threads whether we are talking about a player joining or leaving the PL. Like I said in a previous post, someone like Maguire basically has no CL/EL experience, he hasn't played against the best players on earth on a regular basis and it's true for pretty much every players that is outside the Top 6, these players are typically overrated in England and people over value their PL experience, you just have to look at the likes of Barkley or even Drinkwater who objectively had good seasons in midtable teams and deserved a chance at a higher level but the reality is that competing for CL football is a different world and players that are in that race are judged differently, same is true for Evans or Keane who are good PL players and have had good seasons but they weren't good enough for United's ambitions.
Maguire could be a success like many other players that I personally like but none of them guarantee you a thing, none of the players playing for midtable teams are close to be proven. PS: I know, I went on a tangent.
He is nothing but a cart horse . Can people stop comparing him to Ferdinand?
At best he is another Phil Jones
At best he is another Phil Jones
In what way can we compensate for his lack of pace? Is Lindelof fast? Do we have a dm who will have the legs to cover? Our fullbacks will be high up the pitch how are they doing to cover? This literally makes no sense, feels like we’re trying to convince ourselves it will work when it’s plain to see he lacks crucial attributes we need, if we have to work so hard to compensate for him anyway is he worth it?
apparently we're not in for him anymore, so I reckon you'll now get him for around £65m with £10m of ridiculous addons
Toby and Vertonghen are both not fast but still Spurs play with high line. Pique played all his career in a very high line and he lacked pace too.
Pace alone isn't enough, anticipation is also very important. (not saying Maguire has this btw).
You’ve got to be fecking kidding —absolute nonsense.
And of course he’s not Rio. Rio was a generational defender whilst Maguire is an excellent defender who would improve us straight away. I don’t even know why this is a debate at this point.
Reading this thread, and I’ve got to say there are some absolute weapons in here.
Anticipation and positioning are almost everything for a defender, the other aspects that people often forget is agility and explosivity, the ability to turn and quickly change direction is more important than top speed, players are rarely at full speed.
*Macwire
Yeah, acceleration is very important than top speed/pace. So all the top speed stats are not of much use.
Won most duels in the air last season. is good on the ball, and can tackle. Only set back is his price.??
Infraction every time someone does it, Geebs.
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