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That post... took a turn.
Agree. But there’s not another Rio out there, at any sensible price, that we can obtain in a hurry.
So I'm "spoiled and overly entitled" for saying making Harry Maguire the most expensive defender ever is an incredibly stupid deal for us? Ok then.
Next year, when you see that he's nothing special at all and classify him as another ordinary defender or even deadwood along with the other CBs we have, what you gonna say? Blame Woodward for paying over the top? Solskjaer?
We already paid stupid amounts for Lukaku and we knew his limitations. At least that guy had a great goalscoring record and was still not good enough for a team that want to be the best. It was a mistake which we made deliberately and we're trying to recoup our money now. What did Maguire do to be worth £70-80m now? If we're willing to pay that much for a CB, then at least spend it on an absolute top class ones. I know players like Varane, De Ligt etc. may not want to come to us at this moment in time but is Maguire the best we can come up with? And for that money? Really?
Seriously, I can't understand some of the assessment and valuation of the British people on some English players but I'm sure they rate him much much higher than the people from other countries do. If you ask people the top 20 CBs in the world list, I highly doubt that anyone'd include Maguire in that list. And we're about to make that guy the most expensive defender ever. Is that an overreaction or the situation is a complete travesty? Why don't we look for a CB from other leagues? Are the CBs an extinct species now and only Maguire left? What makes Maguire so special?
It's yet another awful decision in the transfer market for us in the last 10 years. At least in Fergie's last years, we spend understandable amounts on OKish players like Young, Valencia etc. and didn't spend too high on a single player & refused to pay agents money (was another mistake) for Hazard etc. Now, after Sir Alex left, we have the money and we spend it but we spend it in the worst possible way. That's why I said in my previous post that "We are the stupidest and the worst run club in the world by far." and "We deserve everything we get with this kind of stupidity."
Yep, this is the current sad state we're in.
As I said earlier in the thread his pace is deceptive, he would be your second fastest defender and Manchester City's fastest:
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The sad thing is, 70m is looking like better and better value as the summer goes on.
Not to say he’s worth that, rather that the entire market is ridiculous.
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The joke that is United under Ed woodward.
Soon some will be blaming Ole for these nonsense when there has only been one consistent factor in our rubbish management!
Soon some will be blaming Ole for these nonsense when there has only been one consistent factor in our rubbish management!
I don't think so. Think we have been given some encouragement from Maguires camp hence our bid.
City matching a failed bid? What would be the point!
This. 120-140m for McGuire and WB. What a fecking grieve.
After the inevitable bid rejection, move on and trigger Milenkovic's release clause.
I think a lot of people would. I find it strange that not only wouldn’t you, but you think other people wouldn’t either.
The Guardian made a list in december and had him ranked as the 79th best player in the world, only behind Varane, Ramos, VVD, Umtiti, Chiellini, Koulibaly, Pavard and Bonucci, ahead of Pique, Stones, De Ligt and Gimenez.
And that was the first list that showed up when I googled ‘top 100 footballers in the world’.
What would annoy me most if we sign him is having to read McGuire in every match day thread.
Yours was/is a massive overreaction to a potentially fairly decent signing. I don’t like the way the club is run much either, but it’s far from a joke if we’ve identified him as a signing we need and can get.
Whether we pay £70m, £90m or £20m doesn’t matter a great deal - what else is that money going to do exactly, except sit in a bank account or go into the Glazers’ pockets. I doubt we’ll sign more than 2 players now anyway, so it’s hardly going to affect our transfer budget for this window.
Don’t kid yourself, there are many, many worse potential signings, and there are many worse run clubs. Would you swap with Newcastle or Arsenal right now?
I don't really understand the logic in this post (and I'm fine with us signing Harry Maguire FWIW).
Firstly, we can't just say "oh we can't really complain about how the club is run because other clubs are run worse". This is Manchester United and the fans that hold the club dear to them have an expectation of how it should be run. The infrastructure is dire, scouts are evidently on holiday, squad wage bill risk spiraling out of control, stadium in major need of refurbishment and work, and we generally experience some difficulty both selling and buying at good prices.
I think any poster that is expressing concern at the way the club is run would have legitimate basis for doing so.
Moreover every price has to have a limit. £70m for Maguire was commonly thought at the higher end of the limit. Adding 30% to that becomes quite a pisstake. They've got no justification for demanding £15m more than what VVD went for given the market hasn't drastically changed from that point and Maguire is a level below VVD. Leicester wouldn't demand that from other top clubs, it's just because we are here to be fleeced. Ideally I'd like to see us take a sterner approach - perhaps meddle with the Tielemans deal to get at them indirectly.
As I said earlier in the thread his pace is deceptive, he would be your second fastest defender and Manchester City's fastest:
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i find top speed to be a slightly useless stat. Ability to accelerate to your top speed as fast as possible is much more useful as is your ability to keep a high average pace.
You have to think we could get a better CB for the same money.
However, Maguire is a very good CB who would walk into and improve our side and the muppets on twitter kicking off as if we're paying £70 million to bring back Craig Cathcart need to have a word with themselves.
However, Maguire is a very good CB who would walk into and improve our side and the muppets on twitter kicking off as if we're paying £70 million to bring back Craig Cathcart need to have a word with themselves.
If we are clueless for bidding 70 million for Harry Maguire , what does that make city who have matched the same bid that was rejected?
@VP89 a club can demand whatever it deems. It's then up the to potential buyer(s) to pony up or not purchase.
The market is ridiculously inflated but it is what it is, and buyers have to play along, go for lesser options, or not buy.
The market is ridiculously inflated but it is what it is, and buyers have to play along, go for lesser options, or not buy.
That bugs the fook out of me
Yeah, I know how the market works. My point is that Leicesters own valuation of the player is evidently above what the market is willing to pay.
Well that remains to be seen - City or United might ultimately agree on a fee that still would be above the market willingness and yet would then reset the market.
But if you're running Leicester why not ask for a ludicrous sum?
Perhaps your top priority is to hopefully price every willing club out.
And if not, then set a high bar for potential discussions on an agreed fee, likely lower.
With Woodward at the helm of affairs, I am not so sure about that. I won't be shocked if we up our bid
Think City interest is a leak by LCFC camp to up our offer.
Ake and Diop? You certainly cannot be serious.
None of those names are worth looking at I'm afraid. Liverpool needed VVD and paid the asking price. We need CBs like Maguire.
It's not about giving in to demands of every club, it's about shelling out for the players you need to get to that next level.
Let’s juts buy Alderweireld for £25m and give ourselves 1-2 years to scout and reassess the CB situation.
Everyone is going on about price but this is the market now. If you want players who can improve your team, you've got to pay inflated prices.
Spurs have been forced to break their transfer record. Few years ago, they would not spend that even on Messi.
Spurs have been forced to break their transfer record. Few years ago, they would not spend that even on Messi.
Agree.
Would like Lindelof to have a few years next to a experienced and reliable partner before he’s ready to hopefully take on that role himself in the future.
Oh sure - Leicester are fine to ask for a silly amount. I just don't think it will settle at 90. I'd be very surprised if it did. That's why I said they likely don't even value him THAT highm
I think they'd be a terrible partnership though.
Interesting, thanks for posting. I would have wrongly thought that Rojo was quicker than Jones but oh well.As I said earlier in the thread his pace is deceptive, he would be your second fastest defender and Manchester City's fastest:
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If your CB is having to sprint fast it means he's fecked up.
70 is too much for him. Simple as that. I'd like him but not for that much. Throw that money at someone else.
If a CB is good at reading the game he doesn't need to be a speed Machine. The game that stands out to me (being Irish) is Paul McGrath v Italy in USA 94 when he was outstanding , unreal performance. I'm not saying Maguire is in that bracket but I do think he is a very good player and could make us more solid . Build from the back
Dont want him for 70, no way.
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