What's your assessment on Jones?
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What's your assessment on Jones?
Not really. When Liverpool spent 35 million pounds on Andy Carroll all that time ago which was a humongous amount of money for that time, the mere fact that a big club was willing to pay a smaller club a gigantic fee for a player doesn't negate and disqualify the criticism and mocking that the signing and Liveprool's valuation of the player justifiably received and was proven to clearly be incorrect. Clubs get things wrong, repeatedly, that regular 'internet' folk often get right. That's sort of the point of this place - to hear out and respond to the views of XYZ from the internet.
I think everyone realises that smaller clubs are now loaded and will rinse the bigger ones good and proper for taking their star names. However, you're missing the point of the supposed naysayers (for this signing). Most aren't in shock weeping about the prices quoted, they simply don't rate Maguire as highly as the likes of you do.
I suppose next season will tell us how good he is given he'll probably get his move wherever it may be. I'm in two minds about this. I've never seen him to be a top player but given he is good on the ball, I'd naturally take him over the existing situation.
Far better than Smalling:
Van Dijk
Laporte
Koscielny
Rudiger
Alderweireld
Vertonghen
Maguire
Lindelof
We can talk about Stones, Ake, Lovren, Otamendi, Sanchez, Sokratis....
So it is not about underrating. He is solid defender but only that. He is just not good enough for Man Utd
Kocielny no chance.
Lindelof no chance. He might pass a bit better but isn't better than smalling at any aspect of actual defending.
Not even going to warrant your "talk about" list with a response
.Lindelof invented football for Smalling. Yes, it is better that we don't talk about this topicOnce again. That just kinda proves my point @amolbhatia50k, get used to "silly" fees in the Premier League. Clubs are rich and don't need to sell for anything less than a big deal, the days of buying Berbatov, Yorke or Carrick for 20-30m are long long gone.
I'm not missing the point though, he's an England international, a nailed on starter for the national side, and he plays in the Premier League for Leicester. Of course he's expensive, that's the point.
No, that isn't the point. The question is not regarding the amount that Leicester would demand but whether United should be meeting the said valuation, and signing the player.
He's not as good at defending as smallling.
It doesn't prove the point at all. That clubs often pay silly fees for players they shouldn't have signed doesn't imply that we should continue the trend gleefully.
You can still buy quality players for reasonable fees. Just not from rich PL clubs.
Very good CB. One could see he was something special at his time at Hull City. The english players are always a bit more expensive in the Premier League so I can't say I'm that surprised with the price tag. The club who gets him will have secured a great starting player on the centre of their defence for years to come.
Better question seems to be if you believe tabloaid journalism or not...
Agreed, obviously.
How highly do Leicester fans rate Maguire? Do they think he could be one of the best CBs in the game? I mean, my view on him is pretty semi formed. I've never been all that impressed but then again how often do I really watch Leicester.
£80m for this berk, City are happy to have him
Given Koulibaly and Skriniar are unattainable, we should try our luck at likes of Romagnoli, Milenkovic or Tah.
Given Koulibaly and Skriniar are unattainable, we should try our luck at likes of Romagnoli, Milenkovic or Tah.
I was a big fan when he was at Hull, one of those player who stuck out like a sore thumb. It's England where I've seen him most though and he's a leader, confident, composed and superb on the ball. The difference in quality between him and his partner is startling, he's better at absolutely every single part of the game, consider then that his partner was bought by Pep Guardiola for 55 million.
I don't find many in this thread who think Maguire is not a good player, if we had bought him from Hull for £17m he'd be a great value. But his price is a sticking point, just like Stones wasn't worth £50m, Maguire isn't worth £80m either. We do not have bottomless pit of money, there are several positions in our squad which need fixing. Can't afford to be blowing a significant sum of that on likes of Maguire.
You talk about difference in quality between Stones and Maguire, but the benchmark should never be another overrated English player. Pit him against Laporte and Laporte absolutely shits on him.
Of course he's not, but if he's top of our recruitment list, we're rich as feck (or should be) and that's almost the going rate for an international centre half that is wanted by the top clubs as proved by VVD going from the 17th placed side to Liverpool.
In an ideal world we'd be buying Maguire for 49m and I'm certain most of our fans would be pretty delighted about it, the fact that it'll probably cost us 25m more is what everyone seems to be losing their shit about. Think of it this way though, if we'd have spent that 25m more last Summer, we'd probably be in the CL now and the windfall that goes with that would've wiped out the extra 25m. Bonkers hey?
If our manager places a player at the top of his list, I want us to pay.
I personally don't think Laporte shits on him at all, but equally you can't take one release fee player and use his price as a benchmark, in the same way De Ligt also cannot be used as Ajax are very special in that way.
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We are rich, but we don't have unlimited money. I doubt our spending is gonna be big this summer, so far we've seen little to know that's the case.
Laporte was rated extremely highly since he was a teenager, and iirc he actually renewed his contract with a buyout a year before City nabbed him. And yes, the difference in quality between the two is significant. If they are lining up next to each other, it'll be visible to you.
Save for the insane market for CBs in PL, rest of the Europe is still buying top quality CBs for less than a price of Harry Maguire. Likes of Niklas Sule, Skriniar, Pavard, Eder Militao have all changed clubs in past 1-1.5 years and none of them cost more than £40m. We have an abysmal scouting system/transfer department who 1.) can't identify potential top quality CBs 2.) can't identify bargains on some of these players with a relatively low release clause.
I didn't watch too many Leicester games last season so only really saw him play for England during the World Cup.
He looks pretty solid defensively, a good passer and a threat at set pieces, but the question for me is; Can he perform when he's under pressure to deliver at a 'big club'? Can he take the weight on his shoulders mentally that will inevitably apply?
Judging by his character, I'd say yes, but being a defender in the current Man City team is surely a bit easier than being the 'solution' at a team like Man United currently. That's not to say he can't be your VVD and have a positive effect on those around him but it's a big if
He looks pretty solid defensively, a good passer and a threat at set pieces, but the question for me is; Can he perform when he's under pressure to deliver at a 'big club'? Can he take the weight on his shoulders mentally that will inevitably apply?
Judging by his character, I'd say yes, but being a defender in the current Man City team is surely a bit easier than being the 'solution' at a team like Man United currently. That's not to say he can't be your VVD and have a positive effect on those around him but it's a big if
Madness. You'd rather rely on a young lad who had a decent season in the Championship than an international defender who's been a consistent performer in the PL for the last three seasons? Just so the club can save £20 million?
You don't know that about any player until they land. I think a player with significant PL experience is more likely to than a lot of the other options out there. The second point is spot on - much easier job at City playing in that side than here, obviously subject to what we bring in elsewhere.
I personally think he's a great option. The others we've been linked with may prove to be better but for me, coming from abroad makes it more risky.
That’s apparently what the board said to Jose last Summer... how’d that work out?
Missed CL money & a big pay off to a manager who lost his shit. Oh, and one of the shittest defensive records we’ve ever had
United or City don't want to sign him.
The media are desperate to make a story out of nothing.
The media are desperate to make a story out of nothing.
Good enough squaddie on his day if he were fit for an extended period.
Your problem is you have five defenders who are, or could be, good enough as squaddies in one form or another but none capable of standing out as a starter. The fact that Smalling is the one that's carved that spot out for himself just goes to show that the rest haven't delivered. He should be 3rd choice at best.
You need centrebacks that other top clubs wouldn't mind having as first team regulars.
We disagree on Maguire. He is good in the air and can handle the ball. Given that OGS is most likely going to play similar to how Klopp played during his first full season with Liverpool, with high press, fast paced and not a big focus on possession.... This style does not align with Maguires strengths. If we played similarly to how LVG played, with a low block possessionbased football, then Maguire would be a superb option, just not with how OGS intends to play.
Regarding VVD: Physical and technical abilties are fairly easy to evaluate and will not change much over a 12 month period or by changing clubs. How he performs in a different system and environment is what one cannot know for sure, and where the risk attached to transfers comes from.
See, I think the total opposite. If you are intent on buying a British/English player, then you absolutely should look at the nearest comparable player who is British/English. Comparing him to Laporte or Koulibaly is useful sure, but it fails to meet one of your prime requirements, so is ultimately flawed.
“If” OGS wants him then you can be certain he disagrees with you.
Read today we're in for him at £80m. I swear if we pay that I'll personally punch Pep in the balls first place I see him.
£80m for Harry Maguire, whats the world coming too.
£80m for Harry Maguire, whats the world coming too.
I'm sorry but this reasoning is totally dumb. We intend to buy a top class CB, therefore Maguire regardless of his quality will be compared to genuine top class CBs and not shitty English ones.
Thought Ole mentioned he wants British players? Who else meets the criteria I mentioned (British/English) and a good CB ?
What is the point in comparing to non British players, if thats a key differentiator? As a said, comparing him to top CB is fine, but they are off the table as they are not British, no?
(Maybe you plan on getting Michael Keane back?
)Ole never said he solely wants British players. Maguire appears to be a target because 1.) We can't sign likes of De Ligt and Koulibaly 2.) He seems attainable given he's at a lesser club
Given your premise in itself is flawed, your entire argument falls flat. Maguires' price suggests he's a top class CB therefore his attributes are going to evaluated as such, even if it is to your ire
We can thank that to Woody being cocky when he first took over as chairman, bragging about United having money, commercial deals and whatnot.
Why’s the price the same for City then?
Stop chatting absolute nonsense, Leicester want a big fee for their best player.
If we receive any offer of 75m+ then we should accept. He is a very good player, good on the ball, but does make defensive mistakes. Hopefully we'll reinvest the transfee fee into Tielemans and another CB.
Was probably true then.but it isn't now.
However we would still prefer our money position to almost every other club
Leicester have made up an asking price they think no one will pay, he would also prefer to go to City so this transfer simply isn’t realistic. Hopefully we’ve moved on.
Actually like Maguire but once he’s under scrutiny at United I think he would be shown up and the big fee would be a burden. Leicester would probably go and buy a replacement for half the price and be no worse off.
Actually like Maguire but once he’s under scrutiny at United I think he would be shown up and the big fee would be a burden. Leicester would probably go and buy a replacement for half the price and be no worse off.
That's nonsense at that price, there's an entire continent of alternatives. If Ole wants him at the prices quoted, that's because Ole thinks he'll be a massive addition and will fit his system.
It's just my opinion, ever since we've got Woody in charge I have a feeling we're overpaying players, but I could be very well wrong.
We're rich, but Glazer rich, not Manchester United rich.
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