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Ban said:
Maguire, Lindelof, Tuanzebe, Mike, 4 CBs, more than enough.
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I think 5 CBs would be a good amount personally, never know with the amount of injuries we get. That spot could get filled with a promising youth player though.
 
Vidyoyo said:
Give your heads a wobble. Bailly and Rojo are far worse than Smalling.
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By some distance.

I think it's fair to say that Chris Smalling has been our most consistent defender since Fergie retired. While that isn't saying a great deal considering the competition, it's certainly saying something. He doesn't deserve the criticism he has received in this thread.
 
Random Task said:
By some distance.

I think it's fair to say that Chris Smalling has been our most consistent defender since Fergie retired. While that isn't saying a great deal considering the competition, it's certainly saying something. He doesn't deserve the criticism he has received in this thread.
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Yeah, Lindelöf was probably the most consistent last year but Smalling is our best centre back and has been for years.
 
Nick7 said:
Is Tuanzebe good enough? I'm not overly convinced. Think he might need another year of regular football.
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Agree with @Raw, one more CB just in case and that's that. Bailly for me then although he already had his share of periods being injured and is a bit crazy.
 
Nick7 said:
Is Tuanzebe good enough? I'm not overly convinced. Think he might need another year of regular football.
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Don't think he's anywhere near good enough to be a mainstay at the heart of a United defence that, eventually, hopes to challenge for honours on all fronts. I'd liked to be proved wrong in this case but I just don't see it.

Nick7 said:
Yeah, Lindelöf was probably the most consistent last year but Smalling is our best centre back and has been for years.
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I agree.

Last season Lindelof proved himself to be one of the few successful post-SAF signings. Hope he can sustain that form if not improve on it.
 
Smalling is obviously pretty atrocious on the ball and his passing is terrible, but defensively he has been miles ahead of Bailly and Rojo, and if nothing else less error-prone than Jones.

But then we're only really comparing him to Jones now. As centrebacks go he's not good enough to be starting in a top four side, never has been or will be.

Jones and Rojo obviously have to be the first two centrebacks out the door for us. Then followed by either Bailly or Smalling.
 
Ban said:
Agree with @Raw, one more CB just in case and that's that. Bailly for me then although he already had his share of periods being injured and is a bit crazy.
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I'd keep Jones, because he's a better defender than Bailly.
 
Kag said:
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, is it? I was making comparisons between the performances of Lindelof, Bailly and Tuanzebe at right sided centre half to those they would have if playing on the other side. So they are better at playing the position Alderweireld usually plays. Alderweireld would negate both Bailly and Tuanzebe and shift Lindelof into a position in which he would be slightly less effective on the ball. Maguire walks alongside Shaw and allows Lindelof (or Bailly or Tuanzebe) to partner him in their best positions.

As for the use of the word fitter. It’s clear I’m referring to fitness from an injury perspective. Maguire is seldom injured and hasn’t had an injury that has kept him out for the majority of the season any time recently. Alderweireld has, and that raises concerns. Particularly for a club that has spent a lot of money of transfer fees and wages on players pushing thirty. Not once, outside of a superhuman Ibrahimovic, have we really benefitted from these signings either.

You think we would get three to four quality seasons out of Alderweireld? I think you’re especially ambitious. If he’s still playing at a high level at Spurs in two years I’d be stunned, never mind three or four.
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First of all. lose the attitude, don't try and make me sound like a dick.

Second, you look far to into the whole RC LC side to a CB. If that was the case and if all Tuanzebe/Bailly and Lindelof, we are screwed if we don't sign Maguire as if they all play on the right, how can we pair any of them up?

Jose bought Lindelof and Bailly to play together, both RC by the sounds of it. Lindelof Tuanzebe looked alright together the other night, both RC?

Your a CB, you can play left or right, people are saying that Lindelof and Maguire can't play together as both ball playing CB's, who cares, personally think they will compliment each other, same as Lindelof and Alderweireld would.

It maybe have been clear to you in your head, but reading it when you say fitter, 90% of people will think of fitness and not fitness in relation to injury so it wasn't very clear.

Yeah Maguire does not have many injuries, happy days. Alderweireld picked up a season ending injury, but has come back and played a full year saturday wed constantly, think he has proven he is over it.

You think Alderweireld will be finished by the time he just turns 32, in 2 years time. He may not be at Spurs but i would be shocked if he was not playing at the top level for another big side.
 
Rob Bowman said:
So Rojo is the best center back we have... ?

Might check the directions of your greater than or less than signs ;).
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I always assumed it was that way whoops.


Lennon7 said:
I’m assuming you meant to have them as less than signs? Because if so I’d completely agree, if not you need sectioning!
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:lol: in an alternate universe maybe. Yes got it the wrong way around.
 
StrettyEnder07 said:
First of all. lose the attitude, don't try and make me sound like a dick.

Second, you look far to into the whole RC LC side to a CB. If that was the case and if all Tuanzebe/Bailly and Lindelof, we are screwed if we don't sign Maguire as if they all play on the right, how can we pair any of them up?

Jose bought Lindelof and Bailly to play together, both RC by the sounds of it. Lindelof Tuanzebe looked alright together the other night, both RC?

Your a CB, you can play left or right, people are saying that Lindelof and Maguire can't play together as both ball playing CB's, who cares, personally think they will compliment each other, same as Lindelof and Alderweireld would.

It maybe have been clear to you in your head, but reading it when you say fitter, 90% of people will think of fitness and not fitness in relation to injury so it wasn't very clear.

Yeah Maguire does not have many injuries, happy days. Alderweireld picked up a season ending injury, but has come back and played a full year saturday wed constantly, think he has proven he is over it.

You think Alderweireld will be finished by the time he just turns 32, in 2 years time. He may not be at Spurs but i would be shocked if he was not playing at the top level for another big side.
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I don’t need to make you look or sound like anything. I’m not, infact.

There’s clearly a huge barrier in logic between us here. Bailly and Tuanzebe look significantly more comfortable on the right. So does Lindelof, albeit he can shift across with more ease because his left foot is stronger. Smalling looks wooden on the left side, too. Jones is the only player that has spent large parts of his career playing there, a little like Maguire. So when you go to buy a new centre half, you buy according to your strengths. And it seems to me that Ole would like to use Lindelof on his best side. Therefore, a player that is better on the left makes sense. Hence Maguire.

I don’t know why Mourinho looked to buy both Bailly and Lindelof. Not one of them can really head the ball so I’d put that down to just another example of piss poor management on his part. But they’re never going to work as a partnership. And I wouldn’t back Alderweireld to partner them either given his lack of prowess in the air, too.

Yes, I’d be very surprised if Alderweireld hasn’t been replaced by Spurs for somebody better and younger by the time he is 32. On less wages, too. I’d be surprised if he’s playing in the Premier League. Another big side in a less physical league? Perhaps so, but another 32 year old on our books just isn’t what we need at United, at this time.
 
StrettyEnder07 said:
You think Alderweireld will be finished by the time he just turns 32, in 2 years time. He may not be at Spurs but i would be shocked if he was not playing at the top level for another big side.
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He was not playing at the top level last season and is clearly a couple of years removed from his peak. I would not play him ahead of Lindelof and Smalling now and it is not as though he is about to get better with his 31st birthday just around the corner.
 
Kag said:
I don’t need to make you look or sound like anything. I’m not, infact.

There’s clearly a huge barrier in logic between us here. Bailly and Tuanzebe look significantly more comfortable on the right. So does Lindelof, albeit he can shift across with more ease because his left foot is stronger. Smalling looks wooden on the left side, too. Jones is the only player that has spent large parts of his career playing there, a little like Maguire. So when you go to buy a new centre half, you buy according to your strengths. And it seems to me that Ole would like to use Lindelof on his best side. Therefore, a player that is better on the left makes sense. Hence Maguire.

I don’t know why Mourinho looked to buy both Bailly and Lindelof. Not one of them can really head the ball so I’d put that down to just another example of piss poor management on his part. But they’re never going to work as a partnership. And I wouldn’t back Alderweireld to partner them either given his lack of prowess in the air, too.

Yes, I’d be very surprised if Alderweireld hasn’t been replaced by Spurs for somebody better and younger by the time he is 32. On less wages, too. I’d be surprised if he’s playing in the Premier League. Another big side in a less physical league? Perhaps so, but another 32 year old on our books just isn’t what we need at United, at this time.
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i agree with this, I think it was Jose who came out and said he struggled to find someone in the squad to play LCB. It is a position we have not filled since Vidic. Don't get me wrong, it makes a big difference. If you are used to playing as RCB and have to shift to LCB it isnt as easy as you think.

With Baily and Lindelof signing, it felt like just signing a CB without picking out attributes. Ole has done that this season, with all his tagets.

RB - he wanted someone who can defend, quick and young - we could have easily gone for a cheaper option of Trippier or Munier.

CB - LCB, good in the air, and on the ground with Prem experience Maguire fits the bill

LW - James, young quick, someone with raw pace to get in behind, a traditional winger.

It seems this summer, Ole has a strategy of the player he wants.

You could end up signing Diop for £60m but if the attributes are not what Ole wants, it will be another wasted signing. Give the manager what he wants to succeed, then judge him.
 
Gandalf said:
He was not playing at the top level last season and is clearly a couple of years removed from his peak. I would not play him ahead of Lindelof and Smalling now and it is not as though he is about to get better with his 31st birthday just around the corner.
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He's 31 in March! Hardly around the corner haha

He was not playing at the top level last season? Spurs finished 3rd and got the UCL final but you would take Smalling over him haha wow
 
StrettyEnder07 said:
He's 31 in March! Hardly around the corner haha

He was not playing at the top level last season? Spurs finished 3rd and got the UCL final but you would take Smalling over him haha wow
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Spurs finished 4th actually and they were ahead Arsenal by 1 point only thanks to an Arsenal collapse. Alderweireld is not the player that he was and even at his peak he was overrated. He does look smooth on the ball and can be impressive but he has a mistake in him, is not very good in the air and is easily bullied by physical forwards. There is a reason that nobody is activating that clause and I think he is going to be disappointed in the size of the offers and the profile of the clubs that come calling in January should he make it to Free Agency.
 
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