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I didn't say I think it would be easy to sign him, I don't think it would be easy to sign him this late in the transfer window. I think it would be hard to sign him at this point in the window as it would be hard to sign anyone this late in the window as it wouldn't give the selling club much time to replace whoever we buy, but I would still like us to try.
I would have preferred to do all our business earlier in the window to give the players more time to gel and adapt to Ole's methods. I wanted him all along as he is very powerful and a beast in the tackle and would like to play him next to Lindelof. Diop was my preferred target other than Koulibaly. I think if we don't make another defensive signing I would like to Axel get a chance. Although I haven't seen him play lots of times, every time I have seen he has impressed me.
Jones is a reactive defender. He has lapses every game and usually has to recover a situation, which isn't the sign of a good defender.
In the friendly with Inter there was an instance right at the beginning where his man moved away from him in the box in a dangerous position and Jones hadn't realised. I don't think they passed to that player but, if they had, Jones would have been scrambling. He's not great on the air either, which is a big part of being a CB. It gets downplayed because it's Smallings strongest point and it's trendy to talk about ball playing ability, but having 2 CBs that aren't dominant in the air would be a nightmare.
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I think everyone except Ed Woodward wanted signings prior to the pre season friendlies. It is obvious which players we are after. If we went and signed Maguire and Fernandes for £80m and £50m, everyone will be say why couldnt this be done early on.
I think Tuanzebe should be given a chance as a 3/4th CB for now.
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I agree you don't need statement signings, I think that's been one of your problems under Woodward, but it's beginning to feel like United want Maguire to be one. Paying that £25m release clause for Alderweireld wouldn't be any skin off your back compared to the £80m you're about to spend on Maguire (which seems odd to me considering you would't give Mourinho £65m to get him just twelve months ago), and considering he's currently at Spurs I doubt you'd need to overpay for his wages. Koscielny might be heading over the hill but he was just a random example of a cheap squad player you could throw in to save Lindelof's legs. I don't think United paying £80m for a player is a problem - the money is mostly immaterial - but you've got bigger problems in midfield that arguably need dealing with first.
Maguire's a safe way of mostly dealing with an issue you've had, but I think signing him will affect your ability to properly sort out bigger, chronic problems with the rest of your team.
25M, ageing? he has just turned 30, played 33 games in the league last year so injury record can't be that bad, he is actually a better defender than Maguire and imagine his wages would be 100/150 so similar to say Lingard.
Yet you would rather us spend 80M on a defender 4 years his junior, but not as good?
We will end up with Maguire but to dismiss Alderweireld like that, ha crazy.
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Agree with your post. To me it seems as if Woody wabted to wait until later to see if he could get the price down. If this is the case I don't agree with it, this could back fire because if we don't manage to get the signings it leaves us with little time to find alternative, which may ultimately mean we are not able to get a player in that position because we don't have enough time. I agree with your point in bold.
Agreed on all points.
Whenever Jones is playing, I feel that he has a mistake in him which will lead to a goal. The question is, "can the opposition attacker take advantage of it?" When we played CFC in the FA Cup final, we all knew it would be a tight game. We knew that one mistake could decide the match. That mistake came from Mr Phil Jones.
Of course, he has made several mistakes which have directly led to goals. And I've also noticed that while conceding the goal, he tends to get injured and requires medical attention.
Yep, but to take this long and not have a backup option? If we do sign a CB, we need to get rid of 2.
Oh I've been patient all the time luv but I feel so bad for the doctors not being able to get a minute of sleep. X
You do know the window closes two days before that, right? You’d be literally as likely to sign him then as you are now!
Perspective!! FFS. Memories like a bowl fish.
Chris Smalling was bought as a raw young athletic talent to one day (hopefully) succeed our best defensive partnership ever. Gradually he grow into his own and the day it was time for succession Smalling was one of the best CB in the PL. Remember Smalling plus one. At that time his athleticism made him superior to almost any opponent regarding acceleration, speed and aerial ability.
But people only remember his red card against City, not when won almost every duel man to man on the ground and in the air.
Time has changed and now he’s short of confidence and a couple of years older. Not bad but not good enough to be a starter in a team with ambitions.
As a back up he’s perfect. Loyal and professional. And btw. Still much much better then Jones and Rojo. Is their even a debate?
Chris Smalling was bought as a raw young athletic talent to one day (hopefully) succeed our best defensive partnership ever. Gradually he grow into his own and the day it was time for succession Smalling was one of the best CB in the PL. Remember Smalling plus one. At that time his athleticism made him superior to almost any opponent regarding acceleration, speed and aerial ability.
But people only remember his red card against City, not when won almost every duel man to man on the ground and in the air.
Time has changed and now he’s short of confidence and a couple of years older. Not bad but not good enough to be a starter in a team with ambitions.
As a back up he’s perfect. Loyal and professional. And btw. Still much much better then Jones and Rojo. Is their even a debate?
30, yes. Which means he will need to be replaced and likely cast off as a liability within two seasons. See the Matic situation for proof. Sanchez is 30 and looks absolutely finished. We’ve been down this road before.
I personally think Maguire is better suited to what we need, even if he isn’t necessarily a better defender than a peak Alderweireld. Our centre halves (Smalling aside) are shocking aerially and we’ve looked vulnerable from crosses for years. Maguire solves that; Alderweireld doesn’t.
Maguire is just as good, if not better, on the ball, too. Maguire is also more comfortable as the left sided centre half, a position in which we lack options outside of Jones and Rojo. And the less said about them the better. All of Lindelof, Bailly and Tuanzebe look better in the position Alderweireld usually plays.
Maguire is younger, fitter and a better partner for Lindelof, Bailly or Tuanzebe than Alderweireld would be. He’s more expensive, yes, but I don’t care. Dismissing Alderweireld as an option is quite easy when you scrutinise the particulars.
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Linderlof. From other teams Erikson.
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I've even seen some heathen type it as Maquire. Infuriating.
First of all you do realise that CBs go on for a lot longer age wise than a top forward who relies on pace/low centre of gravity, even Matic who as DMC needs to be mobile and quick around the pitch.
You sign Alderweireld you are getting another 3/4 years from the level he is at now, just look around Europe at the 33/34 year old defenders still at the top of their game.
Maguire a better header of the ball agree, Alderweireld far better on the deck than Maguire, has turn of pace to cover, does not get turned unlike Maguire, which when playing a high line is invaluable.
Maguire is fitter than Alderweireld, how you working that one out? Alderweireld is one of the fittest CBs in the league by a long way, Maguire is big and good with his head but fitter than Alderweireld, not a chance in hell.
Lindelof Bailly and Tuanzebe look better in his position than Alderweireld who again had a top season and helped get his side to the UCL final? What? Wow
Your opinion mate, not sure I agree with it, 25M Alderweireld over 80M Maguire is a no brainer for me, but as I said makes no odds because Harry looks all but done to us.
Alderweireld for me is still one of the best CBs in the league, had another stellar season and is available for a snip.
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, is it? I was making comparisons between the performances of Lindelof, Bailly and Tuanzebe at right sided centre half to those they would have if playing on the other side. So they are better at playing the position Alderweireld usually plays. Alderweireld would negate both Bailly and Tuanzebe and shift Lindelof into a position in which he would be slightly less effective on the ball. Maguire walks alongside Shaw and allows Lindelof (or Bailly or Tuanzebe) to partner him in their best positions.
As for the use of the word fitter. It’s clear I’m referring to fitness from an injury perspective. Maguire is seldom injured and hasn’t had an injury that has kept him out for the majority of the season any time recently. Alderweireld has, and that raises concerns. Particularly for a club that has spent a lot of money of transfer fees and wages on players pushing thirty. Not once, outside of a superhuman Ibrahimovic, have we really benefitted from these signings either.
You think we would get three to four quality seasons out of Alderweireld? I think you’re especially ambitious. If he’s still playing at a high level at Spurs in two years I’d be stunned, never mind three or four.
All of them are shit apart from lindeloff.
I don't understand what people see in jones rojo and bailly
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Can't believe there are some who think we should get rid of Mike before Jones and Bailly. It's fascinating.
I would agree, when he was Mike he was actually a decent defender. It is the only period he deserved to be a starter which he certainly doesnt now in my mind......but neither do any of our other centre backs and I include Lindelof. Smalling is probably the defender now I would most like to keep as he is a very good squad option. Rojo and JOnes really shouldnt be here anymore in my opinion its been a long time now, Bailly I would actually not mind keeping as would like to see just one more season from him and Lindelof for me seems to be possibly the most over rated centre back for us I can ever remember, he is never going to be anything more than average
It's baffling to me. Right now he's probably our 2nd best CB, which doesn't say much about the quality we have in this position but he's still 2nd best nonetheless.
It's Lindelof > Smalling > Bailly > Jones > Rojo for me. Tuanzebe is an unknown quantity, yet to see how he does for us as a first team player in a full season at United.
Jones is better than Bailly for me. Bailly is more rash, more mistake prone and much worse at defensive positioning. Rojo and Bailly are a similar level of bad.
How then do bottom of the table clubs concede so many goals?
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This is almost tweet for tweet same as last week. Agreed bid from ITKs then a day of silence and then denials.
Not only that but he is a gamble, much more of a gamble than Maguire. I didn't hear much noise around Diop all of last last season. It's only since we have been linked with him now all of sudden fans want him for £50m+. And if they really want £70m surely Maguire is better value.
Yeah it's a tricky one for me. They're so close to the same level of rubbish-ness and undependable-ness really.
Jones or Bailly, who's better or doesn't really matter, both should be booted out.
I think if you take them all at full fitness, Jones is a far better defender than the other two. All three are injured far too regularly, however Jones usually only misses a few games, Bailly and Rojo seem to disappear for ages. I'd keep Jones and Smalling over those two any day of the week. They have not done anything to justify a continued place in the squad.
We aren't really in the position to get rid of three centre backs, even if we do buy Maguire.
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