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JJ12 said:
You'd take Koulibaly (a similar standard) for 53m more?

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A similar standard :rolleyes:
The level of delusion among English supporters is mind blowing and would be laughable if it did not seem that Ole and the Glaziers seem to be under the same illusions.
Perfectly understandable for the Glaziers who know absolutely nothing about football , but frightening if our manager is at that level
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
The entire debate has been about overspending for our top targets because of the position we are in, the only one attempting to change the context here is you JP because you have mixed in your own feeling and valuation regarding Maguire.
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No, I answered to a post talking about the idea that transfer fee moralisers in this thread, need to suck up to the fact that we need to pay these fees. That post was about people in this thread and their opinion about fees.
 
JPRouve said:
No, I answered to a post talking about the idea that transfer fee moralisers in this thread, need to suck up to the fact that we need to pay these fees. That post was about people in this thread and their opinion about fees.
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Wires crossed then because you replied to a post that was stating we’ll likely need to overspend on our top targets because we’re coming from a position of desperation.
Made it a little confusing to understand you meant something more wide-ranging.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Keep in mind when he played under Claude Puel he wasn't encouraged to play out from the back as much. When he plays for England or for Leicester since Rodgers took over he's given more freedom. He's superb at bringing the ball out and a very good passer of the ball. Basically what we lack.
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Indeed

Imagine if we get him and lindelof playing together, and perhaps a new goalkeeper who favours playing it out from defence , will be a much different prospect at building it up from the back (though still mistake prone.)
 
So the plan is defensive fullbacks on both flanks and the slowest CB pair in the league. At least we know Ole is committed to a deep line, counter attacking system...just like Mou.
 
ForestRGoinUp said:
So the plan is defensive fullbacks on both flanks and the slowest CB pair in the league. At least we know Ole is committed to a deep line, counter attacking system...just like Mou.
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Its probably for his own good if he did stick with it. There's no evidence he can even knows how to coach one.
 
Skills said:
Its probably for his own good if he did stick with it. There's no evidence he can even knows how to coach one.
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Except for the fact that had Ole been coaching the defence the hole season we would have conceded 44 goals, instead of 54.
 
William hill are boosting the odds on him coming to united, so it’s not happening
 
fergiesarmy1 said:
William hill are boosting the odds on him coming to united, so it’s not happening
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Good. He might be a good passer and can bring the ball out, but can he actually defend? Personally, defensively, I don't rate him.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
£35 million!

And... you lot @BobbyManc spent £30m on Wilfried Bony & £50m+ on John fexking Stones.... how dare you claim any transfer is crazy :lol:

Otamedi went for over 40 before the transfer market went mental.
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On this basis no football fan can criticise any transfer because every club has its own history of awful transfers. Your club's entire list of transfers since Ferguson left is a pitiful read, but if a United fan was to comment on Maguire's price I wouldn't respond with 'lol u signed Fred/di Maria/Lukaku/Schneiderlin etc for x amount though'. £80m for Maguire is a ludicrous amount, irrespective of other transfers.

Bit strange for you to bring Otamendi up as well, last season he performed a better season than any United defender has for some years.

KM said:
To be fair, 80m for Maguire is a ridiculous price but a City fan saying that after they bought Stones for 50m(when the market wasn't crazy) is quite ironic.
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City signing Stones for £50m when the market wasn't crazy? Explain Mourinho's Chelsea bidding £40m for him the previous summer then. Explain Mustafi and David Luiz both moving for £35m the same summer we signed Stones. Stones was also three years younger than Maguire, which is going to change his valuation. What's ironic is that as a City fan I'm supposedly being told I can't comment on a players valuation...by United fans. I must have missed that part where I started posting on the forum of a club notorious for its frugality.

I am aware that some of the sums of money City have spent on players has been crazy. I'm also aware, which people seem to be missing here, that City are one of the clubs being linked with Maguire for that price. And if we end up signing him for that price, I will also call it ridiculous.
 
@Regulus Arcturus Black, I mentioned Manolas as a reference to the amount that is being quoted for a player of such level, not because I'm desperate for us to sign him. I don't rate Maguire as high as those that I feel are overrating him, and neither do I rate Manolas as twice inferior to Maguire or as the solution to our problems.
There's a reason why clubs have scouts, and that includes to avoid having to consistently break world records for players. Madrid just signed Militao for 50m, Bayern spent about 30m for Pavard. Alderweireld apparently has a £25m release clause, Espanyol has a young CB named Mario Hermoso, Leverkusen has Jonathan Tah, then there's the likes of Joachim Andersen and Milenkovic who are no Van Dijk, but are decent defenders in their own rights and could be better value for money, and those are only defenders within my scope. Obviously the club could prefer a CB that is older and has spent some years in the EPL, but bottom line is that I don't rate Maguire as worth breaking the world record for. I don't see a defender of his quality having an impact that would be worth such price. He is physically dominant, but slow off the mark, has a lot of clumsy moments and poor spatial awareness.
 
Man City are odds on to sign Maguire now, and we were at 3-1, so this is surprisingly to me at least looking more like City are seriously in for him.
 
GazTheLegend said:
Just read this and posted similar. City 4/7 on to sign Maguire so William Hill presumably know something we don’t.
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bookmakers follow the money on markets like this in the main, the summer we appointed Ranieri there was a new bookies favourite every day, this was from a legal scam where people were placing huge bets then cashing out to make money
 
Smalling is underrated, but nothing special either. Lindelof is good, but not VvD levels of good.

The question is, is Maguire better than these two to justify the outlay if we do go for him? At this point, we need a VvD level CB, not another average-to-good defender.
 
If we spend on mcguire why waste one season complete and end up in Europa league. The press just keeps linking it no matter what.
 
Varun said:
The only way they're at the same standard is if you have just 2 standards. Dross. Not dross.
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They are just the same standard and absolutely not £53m between them.

I don't know if people watch Koulibaly or just assume he doesn't have his limitations too - generally very good just like Maguire.
 
JJ12 said:
They are just the same standard and absolutely not £53m between them.

I don't know if people watch Koulibaly or just assume he doesn't have his limitations too - generally very good just like Maguire.
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because Koulibaly is a darling of Italian football followers and plays for Napoli where as Maguire is at Leicester, football snobbery
 
john moran said:
A similar standard :rolleyes:
The level of delusion among English supporters is mind blowing and would be laughable if it did not seem that Ole and the Glaziers seem to be under the same illusions.
Perfectly understandable for the Glaziers who know absolutely nothing about football , but frightening if our manager is at that level
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I'm Welsh.

I don't think people like you have watched either in close detail so pointless discussing it.
 
We're idiotic if we spend big on him. An alright player who looked good for a short while and could end up living off it for his whole career. I could fully see it happening with us.
 
VeevaVee said:
We're idiotic if we spend big on him. An alright player who looked good for a short while and could end up living off it for his whole career. I could fully see it happening with us.
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Exactly. I want the lad as a possible improvement on Lindelof because I'm not sure of him but buying him to be our main CB would be disappointing.
 
VeevaVee said:
We're idiotic if we spend big on him. An alright player who looked good for a short while and could end up living off it for his whole career. I could fully see it happening with us.
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I don't see it. Just paper talk like 400 other players linked.
 
Kapardin said:
Smalling is underrated, but nothing special either. Lindelof is good, but not VvD levels of good.

The question is, is Maguire better than these two to justify the outlay if we do go for him? At this point, we need a VvD level CB, not another average-to-good defender.
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Think we are unlikely to find a ‘VVD level CB’ that is attainable at a sensible price, or any price for that matter. We do need an upgrade at CB though.
 
VeevaVee said:
We're idiotic if we spend big on him. An alright player who looked good for a short while and could end up living off it for his whole career. I could fully see it happening with us.
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Genuine question as I’m not sure of the answer:

If he ends up at City will he make their first choice starting eleven?
 
JJ12 said:
They are just the same standard and absolutely not £53m between them.

I don't know if people watch Koulibaly or just assume he doesn't have his limitations too - generally very good just like Maguire.
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Koulibaly is comfortably better than Maguire. Koulibaly has to be in any conversation about the world's best centre backs. There's no chance Maguire is part of that conversation, certainly not yet anyway.
 
Going big on Maguire this summer but refused to do it last summer because he was deemed expensive or not much better than we had. Great....some more ammo for the media and rival fans to hit us with.

I don't see it happening for this reason. Going to make Woodward look even more incompetent. Didn't get him for Jose and look what happened to us. Would be a bit of admittance of a mistake.
 
George The Best said:
Genuine question as I’m not sure of the answer:

If he ends up at City will he make their first choice starting eleven?
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Maybe he'd step up in their setup. Maybe he would in ours but it seems less likely. Seems more likely he'll be his average self, which is very average indeed. I think for us he'd be another Lindelof. Decent but not amazing. I'd like to see someone a level above next to him.
 
VeevaVee said:
Maybe he'd step up in their setup. Maybe he would in ours but it seems less likely. Seems more likely he'll be his average self, which is very average indeed. I think for us he'd be another Lindelof. Decent but not amazing. I'd like to see someone a level above next to him.
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So would I but that’s looking increasingly unlikely I feel. I’m intrigued as to why Pep is in for him at the price - hence the question.
 
George The Best said:
So would I but that’s looking increasingly unlikely I feel. I’m intrigued as to why Pep is in for him at the price - hence the question.
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Not sure. Is he though? Or is it all paper talk, or possibly his agent spreading shite to make him seem more appealing
 
NJM78 said:
Why don’t we offer Jones plus 40m cash to Leicester. Worth a try.
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They’d probably make a gurn similar to one Jones makes most games :wenger:

I don’t know how to feel about Maguire. I remember him playing against us when he was at Hull and him visibly standing out as a cut above the rest and thinking he was way too good for Hulls level. I guess you’ll never know until you actually do it. He could end up being the best high profile defender we’ve signed since Rio or he could be found out at the highest level like Schneiderlin.
 
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