Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending

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Harry Maguire should apologise if he doesn’t want Tuesday’s conviction hovering over him for years to come, the prosecution lawyer handling the case has told the Guardian.

Proffering what could be a beam of hope for the embattled Manchester United captain, Ioannis Paradissis said an apology could pave the way for “a different sentiment” to prevail when Maguire, who has vowed to appeal against the conviction, attempts to overturn his 21-month sentence before a higher court.
 
Withnail said:
I was listening to Pat Nevin and he made a good point. He was saying as it's a suspended sentence - no fine and no jail time, he could have just drawn a line under it and moved on.
The fact that he's appealing suggests he really feels he's been wronged by that verdict.
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Agreed. My impression from the rushed trial and ensuing sentence was that it was handed down with the hope that he would draw a line under it.

The whole process seemed like an utter farce. Quick conviction with a "harsh sentence" vindicating the police hoping the accused would just be glad it's over.

Even the threat of an appeal taking years is designed to dissuade any potential appeal.
 
Drainy said:
It's not about corruption in my view.

The most likely chain of events for me based on the current info is that:

Incident with the alleged drugging happens and there is a scuffle

Plain clothed police break up the fight and only see the second part of the scuffle so assume its drunk English louts

Maguires try to go to the hospital but the police tell the van driver to take them to the police station

They do not tell them that they are about to be arrested in case they leave the van

Once the van arrives the plain clothed police officers there are ready for them and pounce once they leave the van

In confusion and due to the tension of the incident at the bar the Maguires fight back until they identify themselves as police

The police act like bitches and don't accept responsibility for the confusion and the Maguires dont apologise so they press charges and add in the embelishments to embarrass him

The prosecutor supports the police and pulls a dirty trick in withholding info about the case until the last moment

The magistrate/ judge takes the word of the police, as they tend to do

This makes the most sense to me but obviously we have no evidence so could be completely wrong and we'll have to wait and see.
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This is exactly how I see it to have played out.

They've seen a big financial target on his head and they've played a blinder. They do this kind of trick on british louds on a smaller scale all the time.
 
KennyBurner said:
Some of you in here are so silly. How can you go on holiday to a foreign country, fail to hold your liquor and then blame it on the residents. Granted it does happen a player like Maguire with all to lose should be much smarter and mature with his decision making. He also tried to pay officials??? Maguire is an idiot!
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But you don't know if these things actually happened or how they happened.
 
Jonno said:
This is exactly how I see it to have played out.

They've seen a big financial target on his head and they've played a blinder. They do this kind of trick on british louds on a smaller scale all the time.
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What's the financial bit got to do with it?

He hasn't even been fined in lieu of serving time.
 
JPRouve said:
But you don't know if these things actually happened or how they happened.
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I mean, we know that he was found guilty by a court of law, yet people are still insisting on creating long, rambling narratives that "prove" his innocence. I don't think it's unfair for someone to suggest an opposite narrative where he might have just been a teensy, tiny, little bit at fault, maybe, perhaps.
 
Aretak said:
I mean, we know that he was found guilty by a court of law, yet people are still insisting on creating long, rambling narratives that "prove" his innocence. I don't think it's unfair for someone to suggest an opposite narrative where he might have just been a teensy, tiny, little bit at fault, maybe, perhaps.
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And I told both sides the same thing, they know nothing about the case.
 
With how Ole has backed his players, I highly doubt Maguire gets stripped of the captaincy. The party line surely will continue to be 'it's not a matter that's been dealt with' until the appeal goes through.
 
devilish said:
The more I read the posts from British posters on this subject the more I am convinced that the bribery claims are true.
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It could well be. I also find Maguire's story a bit rubbish.

On the other hand, I also do not fully believe Gree's police version. And the trial happening so fast, with lawyers not having time to prepare the case seems a bit ridiculous.
 
If Maguire’s legal team are confident they have hard evidence that the conviction is wrong, as supporters we should believe him unless it proves to not be the case. If he really was sticking up for his sister then who can blame him anyway? We’d all try to protect our family surely.
 
CaptainBirdseye said:
With how Ole has backed his players, I highly doubt Maguire gets stripped of the captaincy. The party line surely will continue to be 'it's not a matter that's been dealt with' until the appeal goes through.
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If I were his advisor I would encourage him to resign the captaincy until the matter is resolved. It would lessen his off-field duties, allowing him to focus on playing.
 
Tomuś said:
Mate I'm far from definitive Maguire's supporter in that case but just analyze hypothetical reasons for a hypothetical cover up. And that's the only thing I can come up with.

However, if it's true that no footage was allowed in the court and the defence had 2 hours to prepare then yes, it is dodgy.
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It was a pretty small court preceeding, no jail time, just a slap in the wrist. It's not like some hollywood court case. Most court case don't even have lawyer, it's just judge reading verdict.
 
Why is the video of the incident in the police station not being released?
 
I hope this proves to be Harrys equivalent to cricketer Ben Stokes moment. He was vilified in the press yet returned a year or so later to be a World Cup winner and an Ashes legend. A similar trajectory will see Maguire lift the Premier League and Champions leagua around May next year!!
 
Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
The preconceptions exist because there are reams of available data that support the claim that corruption is a problem in Greece.

I've presented you with a number of links to data from organizations whose sole purpose is to highlight corruption in many forms, yet you ignore this and cry foul about preconceptions (verifiable metrics are not preconceptions) while doing exactly the same thing in reference to British tourists abroad. This really takes away from your credibility.
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You presented with links, but none highlight corruption in the Greek criminal juridical system. Nor would I expect it to or Greece wouldn’t be in the EU.
As for British tourists, I highlighted the measures taken by the Netherlands in order to reduce the strain on their juridical system as a possible explanation for the hurried prosecution of Maguire in Greece. And are you seriously denying there isn’t a problem with the behavior of a significant minority of British tourists in places like Amsterdam?!?! Give over..
 
Adisa said:
Why is the video of the incident in the police station not being released?
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Just like most stuff in actual court doesn't get released to public. For us it's a big story / scandal

For Greek court it's just another day with a drunken tourist.

The court of justice don't owe it to anyone to release footage or evidence to public. Especially if it's a minor misdemeanor court proceedings (correct me if I'm wrong)
 
Bullhitter said:
If I were his advisor I would encourage him to resign the captaincy until the matter is resolved. It would lessen his off-field duties, allowing him to focus on playing.
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If it was just for an investigation of 2-4 weeks then yeah maybe.
But if the threats of an appeal taking 1-2 years are close to true then he can't step down for such a long period.

He is convicted yes, but as long as he is appealing it's not a valid sentencing yet. If he was given jailtime he would not start serving his time until the appeal was sorted.
Sure, if a serious enough crime that he would be held in custody that time would later be seen as time served should he ultimately be found guilty, but not actually started serving his prison sentence until appeals are finished.

My point is that as long as an appeal process is ongoing he shouldn't be punished by the club in any way.
 
Sky1981 said:
Just like most stuff in actual court doesn't get released to public. For us it's a big story / scandal

For Greek court it's just another day with a drunken tourist.

The court of justice don't owe it to anyone to release footage or evidence to public. Especially if it's a minor misdemeanor court proceedings (correct me if I'm wrong)
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Do minor misdemeanor cases usually result in 21 month prison sentences?
 
DomesticTadpole said:
They seem to appear in TV fly on the wall documentary series, not sure about courtrooms as I have never been in one.
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It depends on the countries laws but in France the image of the other people that may be on that video are protected, you can't just put it out there. In particular when it's not for public safety.
 
Took 48 hours to find him guilty with zero physical evidence on the table, gets 21 months, suspended.

Any appeal however may take years? Interesting way of going about things.

Sounds like we can all agree his choice of destination could have been a lot better.

Doubt many of our players have lost too much respect for their captain this week. I think removing him as captain of a squad that has finally started showing harmony would be fecking moronic.
 
Sky1981 said:
Literring can net you 6 months according to most Court ruling, granted it's the maximum.

But assaulting an officer? bribery? resisting arrest? those aren't exactly light.

What do you expect? 1 week community service?
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So it's not a minor misdemeanor, as you said in your post then? Yet the trial was treated as if it was: verdict given in one afternoon, giving the defence only 2 hours to prepare, not allowing video evidence to be presented.
 
KennyBurner said:
Some of you in here are so silly. How can you go on holiday to a foreign country, fail to hold your liquor and then blame it on the residents. Granted it does happen a player like Maguire with all to lose should be much smarter and mature with his decision making. He also tried to pay officials??? Maguire is an idiot!
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it’s quite disturbing the amount of people who just accept what the police say and are happy to accept a conviction with zero physical evidence of the charges.

The only idiot is you.

I’m not saying he’s innocent or guilty but it’s mind blowing you think that in anyway shape or form that the trial was ok.
 
Rams said:
You presented with links, but none highlight corruption in the Greek criminal juridical system. Nor would I expect it to or Greece wouldn’t be in the EU.
As for British tourists, I highlighted the measures taken by the Netherlands in order to reduce the strain on their juridical system as a possible explanation for the hurried prosecution of Maguire in Greece. And are you seriously denying there isn’t a problem with the behavior of a significant minority of British tourists in places like Amsterdam?!?! Give over..
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Actually this one did: https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/country/2020/Greece/Criminal Justice/

Maybe you missed it? Greece scores well on a world basis but is near the bottom for its region.

Significant minority is an interesting choice of words. And Amsterdam isn't Mykonos, there's a bit of an expectation that people go to there for drugs and sex. That said, I agreed with you on that point that some British tourists do go abroad and disturb the peace but these are minor offences. If it was a significant problem, countries would require Brits to have visas in addition to their passports. Maybe that would be a violation of EU rules? I don't know.
 
matt23 said:
Took 48 hours to find him guilty with zero physical evidence on the table, gets 21 months, suspended.

Any appeal however may take years? Interesting way of going about things.

Sounds like we can all agree his choice of destination could have been a lot better.

Doubt many of our players have lost too much respect for their captain this week. I think removing him as captain of a squad that has finally started showing harmony would be fecking moronic.
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Spot on

I think the club should be advising the players on holidays, asking them their plans and providing access to minders who can accompany them on holiday. The club should insist.

I wouldn't let hundreds of millions of pounds worth of assets go anywhere at any time without serious army of minders, there to keep do any necessary fighting and take videos etc so that the players can't get into trouble very easily
 
devilish said:
The more I read the posts from British posters on this subject the more I am convinced that the bribery claims are true.
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If I said "I'm going to kill you", could you convicted me for murder?
Hell no, it's a rumour, the assault is the only serious case here, and still questionable.

Verbally abuse and bribery are just some argument to attack Maguire's image because they really don't have enough evidence.
They don't have cctv, alcohol/drug test, or even a single finger print on the injury report. The investigation is really fast based on what "they said" that led to a playing victim war from both party.

I really don't care about their story, we need to hear the evidence from their investigation. If Maguire found guilty based on a strong evidence, then jailed him now.
 
matt23 said:
Took 48 hours to find him guilty with zero physical evidence on the table, gets 21 months, suspended.

Any appeal however may take years? Interesting way of going about things.

Sounds like we can all agree his choice of destination could have been a lot better.

Doubt many of our players have lost too much respect for their captain this week. I think removing him as captain of a squad that has finally started showing harmony would be fecking moronic.
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If it's anything like the UK it's because appeals go to a different court.

Why would you need physical evidence by the way?
 
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