Can we just sell him in summer and move on ? Let him follow the likes of Pogba and Ronaldo out of the door please.
Harry Maguire: I shouldn't really need to prove myself at this level. I've made over 50 caps, I'm England's top-scoring defender
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If he leaves next season i wouldnt put it past this guy to take the armband with him
He often looks like a decent player for England. But he’s got it all to prove when it comes to playing for one of the big boys because let’s be honest, for the most part he’s been a calamity at OT.
I don’t think the intense focus on him really helps matters either, but then that’s part and parcel of playing for a massive club. You will be scrutinised like nothing before.
I don’t think the intense focus on him really helps matters either, but then that’s part and parcel of playing for a massive club. You will be scrutinised like nothing before.
It really just highlights the gulf in class between internationals and domestic. Always said the same about Maguire since his Leicester days, good player, nothing more.
We’re paying him to warm the bench. Hope he leaves at the end of the season.
Shame we can't sell him to England.
Even when he gets to play for England in every match, he should be playing every minute to prove himself as the best defender in the squad. It’s insane that he has this sort of mentality and is a club and country captain !
He’s the new Moyes or Fellaini. Everything he says people like to turn it into something negative.
"Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid" - Ronald McDonald, the guy who wants his shoes back, 2023
Mainly because everything he says is absolutely ridiculous.
Utd need world class centre halves. Varane and Martinez are world class. Maguire is not. He has been found out. It doesn’t get simpler.
Rather than big himself up and keep attracting criticism by saying he doesn’t need to prove anything etc. he should just keep quiet till he gets a chance to move on - keep it very - “it’s the managers decision …I just have to keep working hard and show him I’m ready whenever the team needs me”. Then move on with dignity. No shame in being a PL level CB. There are no world class CBs for England and Maguire needs to concentrate more on the basics of playing out from the back u set pressure and knowing when to go and when to sit…he is very average at all but the physical.
Rather than big himself up and keep attracting criticism by saying he doesn’t need to prove anything etc. he should just keep quiet till he gets a chance to move on - keep it very - “it’s the managers decision …I just have to keep working hard and show him I’m ready whenever the team needs me”. Then move on with dignity. No shame in being a PL level CB. There are no world class CBs for England and Maguire needs to concentrate more on the basics of playing out from the back u set pressure and knowing when to go and when to sit…he is very average at all but the physical.
Personally I have said Maguire has the wrong mentality since his days under Ole and Ole made it worse by giving him the captaincy. Maguire is the mercenary people think Pogba was. Maguire from the beginning has shown in several interviews that it doesnt matter how manutd are doing, what matters is he keeps playing. Last season, this dude said that the fact that he was being selected by different managers was proof that he is world class. He said this despite the fact that he was giving away goals in the defence and overall being the mctominay of the back 4. When he has the ball, there is worry....when he is defending one vs one, he basically a cone. Well this season he has been dropped but guess what, in his mind, its not becoz he isnt world class. This season Ten hag gave him an emphatic answer. I knew that if ten hag depended on maguire, he would get fired eventually.
When he got arrested in greece or wherever he had gone on holiday, this dude decided to point to his captaincy as something to lend weight to his words. Even up to now, he points out that he is captain in every single interview. This fact alone is the proof of the inferiority complex going on in his mind. Maguire is a terrible player to keep in the squad.
If the fan base revolted against pogba, Henderson (GK) and lingard, there is no way we should want a worse player like maguire. These average players come and all they do is complain about why they dont play or why the club isnt on tiktok etc. Instead of just fixing the weaknesses in their game. I respect someone like AWB way more than maguire...AWB has never complained about the abuse he gets or the lack of game time. He just went and put in performances on the training ground. He does his talking on the training ground. Maguire is always defending himself or pointing out other players to take the blame even when its clear he is captain and has to shoulder the blame. This dude hides from postmatch interviews when there is a bad performance.
I actually think that just playing the right players in the starting eleven is ten hags biggest achievement this season. Forget about the trophies and the style of play etc, just playing the players who deserve to be playing is Ten Hags biggest achievement this season. How many times have fans pointed out how bad maguire, mctominay, fred and lindeloff have been. I actually think ole and ragnick failed for this exact reason...they were loyal to terrible players who put in shockingly bad performances one week and then got selected the next week.
When he got arrested in greece or wherever he had gone on holiday, this dude decided to point to his captaincy as something to lend weight to his words. Even up to now, he points out that he is captain in every single interview. This fact alone is the proof of the inferiority complex going on in his mind. Maguire is a terrible player to keep in the squad.
If the fan base revolted against pogba, Henderson (GK) and lingard, there is no way we should want a worse player like maguire. These average players come and all they do is complain about why they dont play or why the club isnt on tiktok etc. Instead of just fixing the weaknesses in their game. I respect someone like AWB way more than maguire...AWB has never complained about the abuse he gets or the lack of game time. He just went and put in performances on the training ground. He does his talking on the training ground. Maguire is always defending himself or pointing out other players to take the blame even when its clear he is captain and has to shoulder the blame. This dude hides from postmatch interviews when there is a bad performance.
I actually think that just playing the right players in the starting eleven is ten hags biggest achievement this season. Forget about the trophies and the style of play etc, just playing the players who deserve to be playing is Ten Hags biggest achievement this season. How many times have fans pointed out how bad maguire, mctominay, fred and lindeloff have been. I actually think ole and ragnick failed for this exact reason...they were loyal to terrible players who put in shockingly bad performances one week and then got selected the next week.
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Unfortunately Maguire saw his move to United as the pinnacle of his career, he should have seen it as the start.
It's not his fault, there are few people/players that have the kind of mentality required to make it to the top, then have the desire to keep improving to become the best of the top bunch.
It's not his fault, there are few people/players that have the kind of mentality required to make it to the top, then have the desire to keep improving to become the best of the top bunch.
what do you want him to say? “I am terrible really”. He’s a Man United defender it takes a special kind of mentality to get to even the level of our worst player if you think he is.
He's been quite good for England overall, so he's probably right. A move to Aston Villa or Serie A would be the best for him (and England)
If we can secure top 4, then I think we should play him a lot, so he's easier to sell in the summer. It's good he comes with interviews like this - we need buyers for him. His stock needs to rise.
If we can secure top 4, then I think we should play him a lot, so he's easier to sell in the summer. It's good he comes with interviews like this - we need buyers for him. His stock needs to rise.
Sometimes you can not say anything at all.
While comments like these are stupid and invite even more pressure, I don't think they come from a place of arrogance but rather insecurity. Also I think he might just be a bit thick.
Either way it's clearly not the mentality we need around the club, yet another one from the Woodward era we need to usher out the club as soon as possible (for his sake as well as ours)
Also it always make me laugh when people are like "he's not wrong" - as though people should say whatever they want provided it's correct. People on here used to say it about Mourinho all the fecking time. Try applying this philosophy to real life and see how far you get.
Either way it's clearly not the mentality we need around the club, yet another one from the Woodward era we need to usher out the club as soon as possible (for his sake as well as ours)
Also it always make me laugh when people are like "he's not wrong" - as though people should say whatever they want provided it's correct. People on here used to say it about Mourinho all the fecking time. Try applying this philosophy to real life and see how far you get.
I disagree, every interview I've seen of his, he comes across extremely arrogant, sometimes to the point of delusion.
Give him two yellow directional paddles and the guy could improve Heathrow's landing times by 50%.
I really do think he and De Gea stay behind after training and practice different ways to f*** up passing to each other.
I really do think he and De Gea stay behind after training and practice different ways to f*** up passing to each other.
My captain.
Almost everyone's been good for England. Look at the opponents they've played against wont be too hard to figure out why they all look good 90% of the time.
I disagree I actually think of all the players to leave Maguire will be an easier player to shift due to his position. There's a shortage of really outstanding center backs in the league and Maguire has experience at a competitive level. He's a relatively decent option for a top 10 team. Doesn't have an elite mentality as seen but he would excel in a club with minimal expectations. The issue would be if the club wants to somehow recoup his initial fee but for 40 million that could be Fulham, Villa, Brighton, Brentford and Palace interested.
I'm not sure it's just the idea he plays for a massive club. If it was we'd see the same intense scrutiny over all of our players.
I think it all started from the transfer fee. That placed huge expectation on him. Since then it has become some kind of self perpetuating fixation from the media and ultimately fans. Not helped by his performances of course, so it's not without basis to criticise him. But the personal nature of some of it I blame the media, social media and fans for. No excuse for how far some of it goes.
So right, that last para. People even brought that up with the Ronaldo interview, as if him saying the club had gone downhill somehow partly justified the interview.
I get that the criticism of Maguire is like flogging a dead horse at this point, but he's not done himself any favours.
Just because you were good at some point, doesn't mean you can just sit on your laurels and forever consider yourself proven and performing at the same level. That's like (maybe a bad example here given his arrogance) Ronaldo say "oh I don't have to stay performing at the same level, I've proved myself as the best and therefore I'll always be that, so maybe I'll just go and have a beer".
Just because you were good at some point, doesn't mean you can just sit on your laurels and forever consider yourself proven and performing at the same level. That's like (maybe a bad example here given his arrogance) Ronaldo say "oh I don't have to stay performing at the same level, I've proved myself as the best and therefore I'll always be that, so maybe I'll just go and have a beer".
He needs to stop doing interviews at this point.
Absolutely sick and tired of the same old "Maguire" does well for England post on this thread. Have you seen the average quality of opposition he faces? Have you taken into consideration the vast gulf in quality between England and whomever they're usually against?
Of course he fecking looks good, Columbo! You could plug in any other English defender and they'd do just as well as he has done, but without the incessant handjobs from the media and Caf apologists.
Of course he fecking looks good, Columbo! You could plug in any other English defender and they'd do just as well as he has done, but without the incessant handjobs from the media and Caf apologists.
I see Moyes level interviews about Man Utd next season.
To me it just shows he has confidence in himself which I want for all of our players. I much rather see this tone from him than stirring up some controversy or complaining about the club
Should be a pinned post. People can’t see how bad what he’s said, it’s absolute delusion. Unreal.
Club captain who has been benched says has nothing to prove. Enjoy him while he is here
He thinks everything is fine, that’s his biggest problem. No self awareness.
The man is beyond reproach. All bow before his greatness.
Michael Jordan, the greatest basketball player in the history of the sport, himself never even uttered the words, "I have nothing to prove."
Now I'm not saying Maguire has to be Jordan, but it highlights what a winning mentality looks like. The very best at what they do truly believe that they have to prove themselves game after game because they understand that you are only as good as the game you last played.
If your last game was poor, no matter how good you've been, you have to prove again that your level hasn't dropped. And that is what stops Maguire improving.
Now I'm not saying Maguire has to be Jordan, but it highlights what a winning mentality looks like. The very best at what they do truly believe that they have to prove themselves game after game because they understand that you are only as good as the game you last played.
If your last game was poor, no matter how good you've been, you have to prove again that your level hasn't dropped. And that is what stops Maguire improving.
"I'm always looking to improve and fight for my spot. At this level you can't afford to be complacent and I know there are always brilliant players looking to push into the starting XI around me so I need to stay sharp and at my best or I know I'll be passed up"
Wow I came up with that in 10 seconds. It's not that hard to give a non-deluded answer that doesnt' reek of complacency
It's actually funny if you take the same argument and look at Kane for England too. I've long said he's mediocre for England but actually looking at his goals he's scored for them it's hilarious how much of his work in front of goal has come against terrible opposition.
The irony is he was addressing this as if he has something to prove or show before we consider him a good defender. He is backing himself up but of course we all will take issue with this because of the immature anti Maguire twitter/reddit compilations out there.
Even now when he makes a sub appearance or starts the odd game the criticism is completely ridiculous.
Trust fans to make a mountain out of a molehill.
This won't affect Maguire's standing in the squad. This will only get fans with an agenda even more riled up at his presence in the squad (which again, the manager/players is not concerned about). Not match going fans either. feck em.
This won't affect Maguire's standing in the squad. This will only get fans with an agenda even more riled up at his presence in the squad (which again, the manager/players is not concerned about). Not match going fans either. feck em.