[Andersons Dietician]

I was amongst the few against this signing, when others were excited by another Ole signing. And I've been vocal about what I think of him as a player.

However, I feel like things are going too far now. This is a guy that plays for United and is getting abuse everywhere he goes. I've made peace with the situation (him still being here) because he has long been replaced and is a backup player - he is not an issue right now no matter how much people want to get riled up about it. But one thing I do believe is that we should probably show this guy some support. The criticism is OTT and even I can say that he's not as bad as people are making out. It feels like people are now trying to turn the screw on him to destroy his mentality and play even worse.

Same boat, never wanted him for all the reasons people complain about having now seen a closer look at him.

This is however verging on harassment and he doesn’t deserve that. As for United he is at best 5th choice and this idea he makes critical mistakes every game is a little OTT. He does make mistakes as do all defenders him more often than others but they aren’t all him just giving away goals.

Hes a so;I’d enough back up just to have in the squad. A very expensive back up that was a mistake, but he is still here so time for people to come to terms with that.

 

[JB7]

Thats literally the life of a footballer. 90% of all footballer have to do that regardless. He is lucky he is part of a small portion who have the power to dictate things themselves. He knows the game. He is not some poor lad.

Moving around is, to a point, yes but it goes hand in hand with earning money. Most players move around to earn more money, not less. You get players moving closer to home for less money from time to time, not many move further from home for less money. How many footballers can you list that have willingly left a club they were settled at to take a near 50% pay cut at a club they didn't particularly want to go to?

 

[Rightnr]

His mommy's come out to defend him. What a loser, honestly.

 

[edgecutter]

It's hard to feel sorry for him. He's become so deluded that he thinks he will play a number of games for us this year. He had his chance to go and rectify all the abuse but he all he saw was pound signs.

 

[lsd]

Dear god I would hate to see what he plays like if this last 2 years hasn’t been him crumbling under pressure.

Same as this and i wouldn't really blame him for the own goal those things happen and it's not like Pickford did him any favours if that was Pickford i didn't watch the whole game

 

[Ayoba]

Will be starting this weekend as Martinez is out

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

Quite telling that those defending Maguire always descend into emotional outbursts insulting people, whilst questioning the need to insult someone nonetheless

I think those defending him need to question why they use such hyperbole in discussing the abuse he gets. He isn't receiving the vitriolic hate saved for nonces so is the argument so weak you need to pretend that's the case?

Yes, I was indeed using hyperbole to make a point with the Rolf Harris comment. Very well observed.

I entirely stand by what I said. If you're the type who dishes out abuse of people for not being particularly great at football, you're a sad bastard.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

I'm sure the basement-dwellers will definitely react well to this...

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

Not being funny but I also love the mentality that Maguire now "deserves" all of the abuse that comes his way because he decided not to join West Ham.

"We'll abuse you to feck because we want you gone and if you don't do what we want then you deserve everything that's coming to you." Yes, what a reasonable mindset.

Like seriously, is it really this difficult to just not be a sad, abusive cnut?

 

[RonaldoVII]

It's hard to feel sorry for him. He's become so deluded that he thinks he will play a number of games for us this year. He had his chance to go and rectify all the abuse but he all he saw was pound signs.

Of course he will. Varane can't play 3 games in a week when he is fit let alone when he is injured. Lindelof is hardly a rock of a CB either. Also no blame on him for not going to West Ham. That was blown out of proportion because it was Maguire but because it was him people are whinging about greed etc when it's common place what happened.

 

[Rightnr]

Quite telling that those defending Maguire always descend into emotional outbursts insulting people, whilst questioning the need to insult someone nonetheless

I think those defending him need to question why they use such hyperbole in discussing the abuse he gets. He isn't receiving the vitriolic hate saved for nonces so is the argument so weak you need to pretend that's the case?

Case in point. Look at this hypocrite below

I'm sure the basement-dwellers will definitely react well to this...

 

[devilish]

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Moving around is, to a point, yes but it goes hand in hand with earning money. Most players move around to earn more money, not less. You get players moving closer to home for less money from time to time, not many move further from home for less money. How many footballers can you list that have willinglcelev celebrating y left a club they were settled at to take a near 50% pay cut at a club they didn't particularly want to go to?

Many players moved to smaller clubs to try and resurrect their career. I doubt most of them celebrated the pay cut and loss of prestige that came with either

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

Case in point. Look at this hypocrite below

My comment was directed at nobody in particular. You have no reason to be offended by it unless you are one of those who abuses people online for not being particularly great at football, and if you are one of those then frankly I hope you are offended by it.

 

[horsechoker]

I've said it before but I really can't shake the feeling he'll get England knocked out of the Euros and the vitriol will reach a fever pitch.

 

[Dan_F]

Can't believe there are people that don't agree with the completely rational posters in this thread who would all jump at the opportunity to uproot their families, moving away from both their and their wife's extended families and take their kids away from their grandparents, in order to take a job at a company they don't want to work for and live in a city they don't want to live in, for half the money they are currently earning.

Those choices obviously sound shit to a regular person, but the money that they earn and the job that they do makes it incomparable to the choices that most people make.

He’s earnt about £40 million from United alone and would have lost about £5 million in wages moving to West Ham, although might have got a payout for half of that if he pushed it. It’s more money than him and his grandchildren could ever need, unless they’re morons.

We’ll find out if that decision is worth it. Last couple years of his career, last chance at a major tournament for England. I’d probably be basing my decision on that, not whether I have to live three hours away from my grandparents for a year

 

[Rightnr]

Can't believe there are people that don't agree with the completely rational posters in this thread who would all jump at the opportunity to uproot their families, moving away from both their and their wife's extended families and take their kids away from their grandparents, in order to take a job at a company they don't want to work for and live in a city they don't want to live in, for half the money they are currently earning.

Found Harry's mom's account. But judging by the last couple of pages, she might have multiple ones

 

[tenpoless]

How hard is it to not score an own goal when you're leading 2-0 in a friendly? something isn't right with him.
If it was 0-0 in a final then sure, the pressure is huge and enough to make professionals screw up.

 

[Vault Dweller]

His refusal to leave after we accepted a bid due to money isn't going to sit right with a lot of people.

Some of the criticism is OTT of course but some of the decisions he has made RE his career haven't been great.

 

[RG77]

I’m rather confused by the abuse and vitriol criticism. Afaik, other than internet memes and opposition fans laughing, what has there been specifically to call out the ‘treatment’ he has been getting?

 

[Marcus]

Some of the bullying has been ridiculous. If we care about Sancho's possible fragile mental well-being, should we not also apply tthat same standard to Maguire? Enough is enough. Can we not defend our own players or at least not add greater vitriol than opposition fans?

 

[JB7]

Many players moved to smaller clubs to try and resurrect their career. I doubt most of them celebrated the pay cut and loss of prestige that came with either

So you can't list their actual names then? Just a generic "many players"? It's pretty common for clubs to pay the difference between current contracts and new contracts when moving to a smaller club who can't afford the salary, it's just not usually newsworthy. And in fairness I don't think there is much "prestige" he could lose at this stage so I doubt he'd be bothered by that.

Those choices obviously sound shit to a regular person, but the money that they earn and the job that they do makes it incomparable to the choices that most people make.

He’s earnt about £40 million from United alone and would have lost about £5 million in wages moving to West Ham, although might have got a payout for half of that if he pushed it. It’s more money than him and his grandchildren could ever need, unless they’re morons.

We’ll find out if that decision is worth it. Last couple years of his career, last chance at a major tournament for England. I’d probably be basing my decision on that, not whether I have to live three hours away from my grandparents for a year

Firstly footballers are still people, I know people don't tend to look at them as such but they are so to some living close to family is important, we see that when players take wage cuts to move "home". Second, in financial terms it is a big cut regardless of whether you believe West Ham were going to pay him £120k or £100k. His current take home annual wage would be around £5.5m, moving to West Ham for £120k/week would be £3.3m annually, or £100k/week would be £2.7m annually. I realise these numbers are big but that is a massive reduction in take home wage that he is entitled to as we gave him the contract. If the football club wanted to him to go that badly after accepting a bid they should have paid the difference in contracts, as most football clubs do in that instance.

 

[Lyng]

His refusal to leave after we accepted a bid due to money isn't going to sit right with a lot of people.

Some of the criticism is OTT of course but some of the decisions he has made RE his career haven't been great.

This is where I am at. And the idea that the media has been after him is downright nonsense.

 

[Leethal]

I would if I was already a huge multi millionaire and will continue to earn over 120k a week.

If it meant me, my family, friends etc had a chance at a better and new situation. Whilst still earning ridiculous money yes 10000%.

To act like he has no option is beyond a joke. He can be in a better situation but chose not to.

His refusal to leave after we accepted a bid due to money isn't going to sit right with a lot of people.

Some of the criticism is OTT of course but some of the decisions he has made RE his career haven't been great.

There's this thing in the world called contracts. Why should he accept lesser money? What obligation does he have to do so? What if he wants to fight for his place? Is he not afforded the right to fight for his position? Isn't that what we want? Players to push for a position when they aren't first choice? Or does that not apply to Maguire? I'm no Maguire apologist. I think he should've left as I do not think he's good enough to play in the first team - despite what he may think. However, I can most definitely understand why he hasn't - which he has every right to do.

Some of the people in this thread really do talk an absolute load of shite, and are so out of touch with reality and expectations. I genuinely wonder if they have any life experience at all outside of school and sitting behind a keyboard.

 

[tenpoless]

I love how so far every time he gets criticized it's United fans' fault.
Made a meme by the internet : United fan's fault.
Abused on social media : United fans' fault.
Booed by his own NT supporters : United fans' fault.

What did we do? he's shite and his mistakes are funny. People mock things that are funny. It's not rocket science. He should stop being funny, if he plays at his current level and keeps putting in decent performances on that level, people will naturally stop talking about him.

 

[SilentWitness]

Criticism is fine, personal insults aren't. Southgate has influenced this problem by his hypocrisy when it comes to Maguire and other players.

 

[Leethal]

This is where I am at. And the idea that the media has been after him is downright nonsense.

Are you having a laugh? Surely you do not believe - for one second - the media isn't all over Maguire. I could list countless, countless examples. Literal infinite. But honestly, you are so far wrong, there really isn't any point as your comment is absolutely ridiculous and I question if you even believe it yourself or you're just saying so for a reaction. Surely, nobody could be that out of touch?

 

[devilish]

So you can't list their actual names then? Just a generic "many players"? It's pretty common for clubs to pay the difference between current contracts and new contracts when moving to a smaller club who can't afford the salary, it's just not usually newsworthy. And in fairness I don't think there is much "prestige" he could lose at this stage so I doubt he'd be bothered by that.


Firstly footballers are still people, I know people don't tend to look at them as such but they are so to some living close to family is important, we see that when players take wage cuts to move "home". Second, in financial terms it is a big cut regardless of whether you believe West Ham were going to pay him £120k or £100k. His current take home annual wage would be around £5.5m, moving to West Ham for £120k/week would be £3.3m annually, or £100k/week would be £2.7m annually. I realise these numbers are big but that is a massive reduction in take home wage that he is entitled to as we gave him the contract. If the football club wanted to him to go that badly after accepting a bid they should have paid the difference in contracts, as most football clubs do in that instance.

Gosh. On top of my head I can think of balotelli, baggio, depays and buffon. A quick Google search unearthed three this year alone from the same club ie Christian Pulisic, Ruben Loftus-Cheek and Callum Hudson-Odoi

The vast majority of players don't want to move to smaller clubs. It hits their pockets, their standard of living, their ego and their progression. However they do it because they see their football career under threat. There aren't many bogarde/maguires around which is why they tend to make the news. Tbf maguire has the support of Southgate who would play his favourites no matter what

 

[Lyng]

Are you having a laugh? Surely you do not believe - for one second - the media isn't all over Maguire. I could list countless, countless examples. Literal infinite. But honestly, you are so far wrong, there really isn't any point as your comment is absolutely ridiculous and I question if you even believe it yourself or you're just saying so for a reaction. Surely, nobody could be that out of touch?

If anything the protection of him from the english media has been extreme, and has probably only added on to fans anger and frustration. Just a few weeks ago Durham blamed ETH for Maguire being bad....

 

[SilentWitness]

Are you having a laugh? Surely you do not believe - for one second - the media isn't all over Maguire. I could list countless, countless examples. Literal infinite. But honestly, you are so far wrong, there really isn't any point as your comment is absolutely ridiculous and I question if you even believe it yourself or you're just saying so for a reaction. Surely, nobody could be that out of touch?

The media is doing what it should be.

Southgate is hypocritical about players as there are those that play lots but don't get picked or don't play in certain positions for their club so don't get picked but Maguire still gets picked. So the media comments on that, as it should.

If Maguire is then crap or scores an own goal, the media are also obviously going to comment on that.

If Maguire doesn't want attention then play well / Southgate should be consistent in his choices.

I don't recall the media being particularly personally insulting, they're just criticising his performance and Southgate and his choices.

The media has been complimentary of Maguire when he has played well but unfortunately he isn't. Should the media only comment on people when they play well?

 

[Idxomer]

I’m rather confused by the abuse and vitriol criticism. Afaik, other than internet memes and opposition fans laughing, what has there been specifically to call out the ‘treatment’ he has been getting?

Some light booing in pre-season games and as you said rival fans cheering him on in some games.

The press and pundits in England have treated him with kid gloves since his move to United.

 

[OL29]

I’ve defended Maguire and I think the abuse he gets is 100% OTT, but I have to say, I don’t think he’s helped by the way English pundits go out of their way to defend him at all costs. In his first few years, his poor performances were always blamed on his teammates. As recently as this season I’ve seen some pundits say he should replace Martinez or Varane in the line up. Even with his own goal for England the other day, the commentators were quick to absolve him from a shred of criticism, despite the fact that calamaties like that occur with him more often than any CB I can remember. I’ll maintain that the abuse he gets from the fans is unfair but it’s not really surprising when you see how different he’s treated in comparison to other (often foreign) players in the media. The below from Carragher is a joke.

https://x.com/manunitedzone_/status/1702263182327226384?s=46

Jamie Carragher: “One of the most distasteful incidents of all occurred during the friendly with Borussia Dortmund in July, when new signing Andre Onana started yelling at Maguire, in my view disgracefully playing to the gallery to endear himself to United fans.” [@TeleFootball]

 

[mancan92]

There's this thing in the world called contracts. Why should he accept lesser money? What obligation does he have to do so? What if he wants to fight for his place? Is he not afforded the right to fight for his position? Isn't that what we want? Players to push for a position when they aren't first choice? Or does that not apply to Maguire? I'm no Maguire apologist. I think he should've left as I do not think he's good enough to play in the first team - despite what he may think. However, I can most definitely understand why he hasn't - which he has every right to do.

Some of the people in this thread really do talk an absolute load of shite, and are so out of touch with reality and expectations. I genuinely wonder if they have any life experience at all outside of school and sitting behind a keyboard.

We are out of touch yet here you are crying for a player who actively decided to stay in a horrible situation purely because of money. This is a guy who would already have earnings in the 50m+. You don't see how ridiculous you sound? Aww poor guy was about to lose out on 5m to live a much better life and have less abuse and scrutiny

 

[Leethal]

We are out of touch yet here you are crying for a player who actively decided to stay in a horrible situation purely because of money. This is a guy who would already have earnings in the 50m+. You don't see how ridiculous you sound? Aww poor guy was about to lose out on 5m to live a much better life and have less abuse and scrutiny

Um, where's the evidence that things will get better if he leaves?

 

[Pronewbie]

Too bad. I had sympathy prior to the transfer deadline but he's made his bed chasing money. He deserves all the heckling and negativity that goes his way.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

If only we had got Kim, Maguire would have been be finished. But what do you expect with the horrible Glazers still here.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

To be fair, I will say I don't actually think the media have been that bad with Maguire. At least not the news media.

The vitriol primarily stems from social media.

 

[RedSky]

Maguires been treated like fecking royalty for years by the media. It's the fans that have seen through that bullshit and turned him (rightly given the sheer scale of his mistakes) into a walking meme. It's banter, its not like he's hated like Beckham was post red card in 1998. Reminder, Beckham was loudly booed by opposition fans for a significant chunk of the following season, hated by the media and got horrendous abuse. Didn't The Sun hang a Beckham dummy outside of a pub? I certainly remember the Beckham dartboards.

Southgate is a twat for playing someone under that much pressure in a meaningless friendly when there were other options that he could have rightly used. Instead he threw him into essentially a local derby and look what happened. He needs time away from the spotlight and pressure. Not to keep throwing him in the deep end and allow him to drown every other game.

 

[Vault Dweller]

This is where I am at. And the idea that the media has been after him is downright nonsense.

Indeed. His performances warranted criticism, and fans also will be unimpressed at his decision to say.

There's this thing in the world called contracts. Why should he accept lesser money? What obligation does he have to do so? What if he wants to fight for his place? Is he not afforded the right to fight for his position? Isn't that what we want? Players to push for a position when they aren't first choice? Or does that not apply to Maguire? I'm no Maguire apologist. I think he should've left as I do not think he's good enough to play in the first team - despite what he may think. However, I can most definitely understand why he hasn't - which he has every right to do.

Some of the people in this thread really do talk an absolute load of shite, and are so out of touch with reality and expectations. I genuinely wonder if they have any life experience at all outside of school and sitting behind a keyboard.

Oh come off it ffs. Of fecking course I understand he's stayed because he's on a contract we gave him, he's absolutely entitled to it. I'm also saying that if he has stayed for that, and not moved on because he wants to earn the money United gave him, then he will get criticism for that and not seemingly understand the position he is in here. I also think he should have left for his own well being.

I don't get why that last part has been included from you so because I have a different opinion I don't have life experience? Whatever.

 

[Smores]

Are you having a laugh? Surely you do not believe - for one second - the media isn't all over Maguire. I could list countless, countless examples. Literal infinite. But honestly, you are so far wrong, there really isn't any point as your comment is absolutely ridiculous and I question if you even believe it yourself or you're just saying so for a reaction. Surely, nobody could be that out of touch?

It's convenient that there isn't any point providing detail. That's the issue with you lot, you talk in whining generalisations providing no substance to actually debate on.

The media have in no way treated him unusually and on social media he gets the same comments as any poorly playing player.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

His mommy's come out to defend him. What a loser, honestly.

I don't want to sound any heartless here, but what the hell is that family?