mu4c_20le
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Another day, another clean sheet for England's finest
He was ok. I hate how ponderous he is when playing out though.
I want every United player to perform flawlessly. But there was a moment when he put his arm around Gray and got away with it some how, it was a sigh of a relief from me actually.I guess people see what they want to see.
Don’t ruin it for us, you/he can’t take our narrative off us. We’re still playing our first two games of the season.He wasn't today though, he was solid and it was a far better performance against an admittedly poor Everton.
Bang on.I want every United player to perform flawlessly. But there was a moment when he put his arm around Gray and got away with it some how, it was a sigh of a relief from me actually.
On form he is simply an excellent CB. He has some relative limitations, for sure, but he has relative strengths.
I don’t think anyone will argue he hasn’t had a difficult couple of years but the criticism has been over the top. I would not sell him unless we are going to buy another RCB who is clearly superior to him. He provides good cover and I wouldn’t be too worried if Harry had to step in for a while if Varane gets injured (which is fairly likely to happen now and then).
Pleased for him today.
Couldn't even be arsed quoting me? I'm taking the piss out of thisAlbeit nothing…Harry was immense today.
Maguire had a decent game today albeit against a poor Everton side
'Got away with it somehow'? He just shepherded him off the ball and it was never a foul, assuming it's the incident I'm thinking of. If Martinez had done that I'm sure it would have been wily Argentinian defending.I want every United player to perform flawlessly. But there was a moment when he put his arm around Gray and got away with it some how, it was a sigh of a relief from me actually.
On form he is simply an excellent CB. He has some relative limitations, for sure, but he has relative strengths.
I don’t think anyone will argue he hasn’t had a difficult couple of years but the criticism has been over the top. I would not sell him unless we are going to buy another RCB who is clearly superior to him. He provides good cover and I wouldn’t be too worried if Harry had to step in for a while if Varane gets injured (which is fairly likely to happen now and then).
Pleased for him today.
I know it is not a foul but clumsy though. You can’t compare Harry’s with Lisandros defending techniques. He does things too, but subtly. Being short helps in that case I suppose.'Got away with it somehow'? He just shepherded him off the ball and it was never a foul, assuming it's the incident I'm thinking of. If Martinez had done that I'm sure it would have been wily Argentinian defending.
Yeah, he’s not world class and I don’t have a major problem with your personal definition of “excellent”. I said he’s excellent when he’s on form. Over the years he’s put in a lot of performances which meet my definition of excellent - solid, dominant defensively, contributing to build up, imposing himself on the game in possession, threatening and scoring off set pieces. He’s not on form every week; he’s not “excellent” every week; that’s manifestly true.I dont think he is an excellent CB at any time. What does he have that makes him excellent compared to other CBs?
He isnt fast, isnt smart, usually slow on the ball, isnt leading and setting up a defense, isnt as amazing on the ball as some like to claim he is, isnt mobile, cant turn quick and is always capable of making a big or small mistake leading to a chance. That mistake could be getting beating very easy by a quick agile player, lunging into a pro active tackle and missing or making a clumsy foul.
Maguire is tall and strong. He is capable of putting his head against the ball but cant direct the ball when heading it away.
He is a decent CB with some very obvious limitations but i dont see anything that makes him an excellent CB. Doesnt mean he doesnt have a use or cant have good games but an excellent CB has special qualities and no game defining limitations.
Apart from one weird moment where he did not help cover Simms for a golden chance he was OK.
A quick glance at the games he has played this season and with some probably erroneous counting I make it Utd have conceded 8 goals in the last 21 games Maguire has played.
I’m not really surprised. I think I’ve often rated him higher than most others have.A quick glance at the games he has played this season and with some probably erroneous counting I make it Utd have conceded 8 goals in the last 21 games Maguire has played.
I want every United player to perform flawlessly. But there was a moment when he put his arm around Gray and got away with it some how, it was a sigh of a relief from me actually.
Yeah, I had a feeling at least one person would blame Maguire for that but it very obviously wasn't his fault.In that situation, had he come over to cover for Martinez (who was caught way out of position) Maguire would have been leaving his man. Mind you, I also think he should have stepped over to help out, but if he did and Simms gave the square ball for an easy tap in, everyone would be going on about how Harry left his man all alone...
He's a very good centreback who puts in a lot of very good performances when he's given a chance. Yes, he had a poor run after the Euros last year. But that's in the past.
Every single game he plays now, he seems to play well only for people to post excuses about why this was a one-off and doesn't count. Just accept the fact that Harry has turned a corner. He may not be a long term player for United because EtH is more of a fan of Martinez and Varance. But Maguire is still good enough for a top 4 club, exactly as he proved in the two seasons before his form went off the rails.
And showered with praise when we play a team that barely threatened us? It goes both ways doesn't it?and it’s been a while now. He’ll have decent games yet get dragged through the mud on here
Do you... do you... think Maguire was our goalkeeper?And showered with praise when we play a team that barely threatened us? It goes both ways doesn't it?
Everton had literally 1 chance whole game - 1 shot on target 4 wide while we had 13 shots 9 of them being on target. It was total domination and Maguire gets praised for basically being untested?
Spot on mate, but some just cannot leave it alone.'Got away with it somehow'? He just shepherded him off the ball and it was never a foul, assuming it's the incident I'm thinking of. If Martinez had done that I'm sure it would have been wily Argentinian defending.
Has nothing to do with the defence. They barely even threatened. When was the last time we faced such a toothless team?Do you... do you... think Maguire was our goalkeeper?
If Everton were limited to only 1 shot on target, that demonstrates the defence in front of DDG did their job.
Based on that criteria the midfielders should not get recognition for their performance as well.And showered with praise when we play a team that barely threatened us? It goes both ways doesn't it?
Everton had literally 1 chance whole game - 1 shot on target 4 wide while we had 13 shots 9 of them being on target. It was total domination and Maguire gets praised for basically being untested?